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  • Science was invented in 1572
    « on: February 07, 2018, 12:55:05 AM »
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/science-was-invented-in-1572/

    Or so David Wootton seems to suggest, in a giant treatise celebrating the 17th century’s other glorious revolution

    There was no science before 1572, the year that Tycho Brahe saw a new star in the night sky above him. To be sure, the Greeks had made efforts to present their knowledge of nature in a systematic fashion, but they lacked the tools — more specifically they lacked the ways of thinking — that have allowed investigators over the past 300 years to question the traditions that have preceded them, to probe the inner workings of nature, and in so doing to build increasingly informative accounts of the world that surrounds us. These ways of thinking were invented over the course of the 17th century: a period whose momentous significance for all that would come after amply justify naming it ‘the scientific revolution’.

    These are the claims David Wootton makes in this big, belligerent book. The book is big because, apparently, his publisher asked that it be so. Wootton obliged by delivering a giant plum pudding of a treatise to Allen Lane, with well over 500 pages of main text laden with nuggets of extraordinary erudition, and soaked generously with three different kinds of scholarly notes — one for references, one for 
argumentative asides and another for longer reflections on topics in philosophy and historiography that he somehow wasn’t able to fit into the rest of the book.

    ............read more in the given link above.

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    Here's the book and those interested can get it at Amazon: (it got favourable 4-star ratings on average so far)



    https://www.amazon.com/Invention-Science-History-Scientific-Revolution/dp/0061759538/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1517936502&sr=1-1&keywords=David+Wootton


    edit: Added editorial reviews of the book above from Amazon....

    An Amazon Best Book of December 2015.... --Chris Schluep

    “Wootton is a dazzling explicator of difficult ideas whose relish for his material is evident.” (Matthew Price, the Boston Globe)

    “Wootton tells his tales well and portrays characters vividly. He writes with wit, and his book is full of surprises.” (Robert P. Crease, The Wall Street Journal)

    “A masterly account of the ‘scientific revolution.’” (Financial Times' Best Books of 2015)

    “New, encyclopedic history.” (Adam Gopnik, the New Yorker)

    “Full of insights…even jaded scholars will find it fresh and compelling.” (The Economist)

    “…perceptive, thought-provoking, deeply erudite and beautifully written.” (Nature)

    “Vibrant and impressive…The Invention of Science is a marvel of expositional clarity” (Steve Donoghue, The Christian Science Monitor)

    “Not only a history of science but a revisionist historiography of science” (Steven Poole, The New Statesman)

    “A big bang moment” (Lorraine Daston, The Guardian)

    “Extremely well researched and documented…This is bound to become a basic reference in the future.” (Adhemar Bultheel, the European Mathematical Society)
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    Re: Science was invented in 1572
    « Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 03:05:24 AM »
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  • Re: Science was invented in 1572
    « Reply #2 on: February 07, 2018, 08:39:49 AM »
    Misleading title

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  • Re: Science was invented in 1572
    « Reply #3 on: February 07, 2018, 08:43:35 AM »
    Misleading title

    There is term for this: clickbait

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  • Re: Science was invented in 1572
    « Reply #4 on: February 07, 2018, 12:26:58 PM »
    how you invent science? Its there before any living being. facepalm

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  • Re: Science was invented in 1572
    « Reply #5 on: February 07, 2018, 06:30:52 PM »
    how you invent science? Its there before any living being. facepalm

    Science(the scientific method) is just a set of rules for observation. It is invented last few centuries, even though some of the ideas can be traced back a few more. No civilization that we know of before had used it and considering it doesn't work very well, I really doubt when our civilization is gone, there will be another that will come up with it again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

    It can lead to funny situations as with the compass... In the west we took it from China, however since the people back then had no idea what the Trigrams/mountains/elements are, they just took the idea that the needle can point to north. The rest they didn't understand, so they had no way to test experimentally and by the scientific method it means it can't be true.

    Most of the five arts would be considered not working when we apply the scientific method. Mostly because even if someone can get awesome results, it needs peer review for confirmation and since "the peers" won't be able to repeat the experiment without years of training it means that it isn't working from that base.

    Give it a few more decades, most people already are starting to realize there is something fundamentally wrong with that whole approach, but it will take some more time for it to become clear. Just my humble opinion, obviously.


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  • Re: Science was invented in 1572
    « Reply #8 on: February 07, 2018, 09:20:41 PM »
    Misinterpretations of the scientific process

        *Science is a collection of facts.
        *Science is complete.
        *There is a single Scientific Method that all scientists follow.
        *The process of science is purely analytic and does not involve creativity.
        *When scientists analyze a problem, they must use either inductive or deductive reasoning.
        *Experiments are a necessary part of the scientific process. Without an experiment, a study is not rigorous or scientific.
        *Because scientific ideas are tentative and subject to change, they can't be trusted.
        *Scientists' observations directly tell them how things work (i.e., knowledge is "read off" nature, not built).
        *Science proves ideas.
        *Science can only disprove ideas.
       

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  • Re: Science was invented in 1572
    « Reply #11 on: February 26, 2018, 12:41:49 PM »
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    Most of the five arts would be considered not working when we apply the scientific method.
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