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  • Tale of Two Leaders
    « on: March 03, 2015, 08:13:01 PM »
    I don't know if these 2 charts belong to this section. But with my terribly elementary bazi knowledge I found them interesting...

    I believe both are leaders in their own right
    Both have a lack of officers in their charts
    Both have much indirect wealth
    One is a weak DM the other strong
    One is in the early stages of his leadership career, the other had a long illustrious career & still pulling the strings in his twilight
    One is facing attacks on his credibility/career and the other is somewhat on the offensive. Who will prevail? Will the former survive & go on to a long & illustrious career?

    Would anyone be interested in having a look at these two charts? Any indications of their leadership qualities in their charts? Which luck periods are/were best for Mr X & Mr Y?

    If need be I'll reveal their identities though I guess some of you can figure out who they are ... but let's keep that a mystery so that your readings are not clouded by knowledge of who they are.

    « Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 08:15:24 PM by hokyau »

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    Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #1 on: March 13, 2015, 11:40:53 PM »
    Hi HokYau,

    This is done without considering the 'quarter' 刻 of the person born, otherwise we would end up with hundreds of chart types which is impossible to narrow down. An hour contains a few quarters where the elements take turns having the command.   

    As Mr X is a leader of a nation, his chart is supposed to be both 富 and 贵. He has 2 marriages, and comes from a noble family.

    Mr X

    X    Yi     Ji    Gui
    X    Hai  Wei  Si 

    12 hour pillars, Let's look at them one by one.

    Bing Zi
    六乙鼠贵, This structure is inclined to use the obscured 'Si', but Si is already present in the chart in the Year Pillar, this is a case of 填实. His ancestors paved the way for his success, so this chart is very unlikely

    Ding Chou
    Food sitting on opened grave, this requires metal to protrude on Year and Month pillar for one to be that high. Not likely

    Wu Yin
    败财背禄, This couldnt result in any noble structure.

    Ji Mao
    日禄居时, Again this would go against the Year Pillar. not likely.

    Geng Chen
    Direct Officer protruding on Seal's storage, DM is already sitting on Seal. This implies someone in a a high government position. This is very likely the correct hour pillar.

    Xin Si
    This requires fire on the HS but it's absent, less likely.

    Ren Wu
    Direct Seal and Wealth frame, Wu is Food engendering Wealth. Yi is ChangSheng in Wu. This is a chart of a very wealthy person, this is also likely.

    Gui Wei
    Strong Wealth and weak Seal means stronger Wealth. Chart of a wealthy person, this hour pillar is also likely.

    Jia Shen
    Hour pillar fallen into Kong Wang, denotes few children. This man has many.

    Yi You
    7K on hour requires fire, but fire is absent and Wealth is many, unlikely a good structure.
     
    Bing Xu
    Hurting Officer engendering Wealth. Wealthy but unlikely to get that high.

    Ding Hai
    死处逢生, Yi wood dies at Hai, but is engendered by Ren Seal, Ding Food has no Qi in Hai, but is engendered by Wood, unfortunately Wealth has the command in month. Wealth and Seal don't get along. Broken structure.

    So there, narrowed down to Geng Chen, Ren Wu and Gui Wei.

    I am so very tired at this point.


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  • Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2015, 01:36:09 PM »
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  • Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #3 on: March 14, 2015, 02:23:34 PM »
    2016 is general election (Bing Wu), Yi is in the stage of extinction (12 Phase) ... both bye bye !! 
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  • Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #5 on: March 14, 2015, 07:53:58 PM »
    @hokyau 兄, I only know ZWDS double self hua in Spouse Palace indicates possibility of 2 marriages. There are obviously other means for multiple marriages. Not experienced enough to study all their past events to find the possible time of birth. If you guys can give me the hours you've narrowed down from the BaZi perspective, I can try check marriage and 2009 with ZWDS.

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  • Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #7 on: July 04, 2015, 06:24:34 PM »
    This battle has now shifted into high gear & has caught the attention of the Wall Street Journal (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10130211234592774869404581083700187014570)

    Mr X is now accusing Mr Y of orchestrating a criminal attack on him.

    Anyone have any insight from their (incomplete) charts?

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  • Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #8 on: July 04, 2015, 06:28:20 PM »
    Sorry, seems that's only available to subscribers... hope admin don't mind me copy & paste
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    Investigators Believe Money Flowed to Malaysian Leader Najib’s Accounts Amid 1MDB Probe
    Prime Minister Najib’s bank accounts are scrutinized during investigation of investment fund 1MDB
    Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak addressed delegates of the ruling party United Malays National Organization last month. ENLARGE
    Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak addressed delegates of the ruling party United Malays National Organization last month. PHOTO: JOSHUA PAUL/ASSOCIATED PRESS
    By TOM WRIGHT and  SIMON CLARK
    July 2, 2015 4:42 p.m. ET
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    KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia—Malaysian investigators scrutinizing a controversial government investment fund have traced nearly $700 million of deposits into what they believe are the personal bank accounts of Malaysia’s prime minister, Najib Razak, according to documents from a government probe.

    The investigation documents mark the first time Mr. Najib has been directly connected to the probes into state investment fund 1Malaysia Development Bhd., or 1MDB.

    Mr. Najib, who founded 1MDB and heads its board of advisors, has been under growing political pressure over the fund, which amassed $11 billion in debt it is struggling to repay.

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    The government probe documents what investigators believe to be the movement of cash among government agencies, banks and companies linked to 1MDB before it ended up in Mr. Najib’s personal accounts. Documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal include bank transfer forms and flow charts put together by government investigators that reflect their understanding of the path of the cash.

    The original source of the money is unclear and the government investigation doesn’t detail what happened to the money that went into Mr. Najib’s personal accounts.

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    “The prime minister has not taken any funds for personal use,” said a Malaysian government spokesman. “The prime minister’s political opponents, unwilling to accept his record or the facts, continue to try to undermine him with baseless smears and rumours for pure political gain.”

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    Mr. Najib has previously denied wrongdoing in relation to 1MDB and has urged critics to wait for the conclusion of four official investigations that are ongoing into 1MDB’s activities.

    Investigators have identified five separate deposits into Mr. Najib’s accounts that came from two sources, according to the documents viewed by the Journal.

    By far the largest transactions were two deposits of $620 million and $61 million in March 2013, during a heated election campaign in Malaysia, the documents show. The cash came from a company registered in the British Virgin Islands via a Swiss bank owned by an Abu Dhabi state fund. The fund, International Petroleum Investment Co., or IPIC, has guaranteed billions of dollars of 1MDB’s bonds and in May injected $1 billion in capital into the fund to help meet looming debt repayments. A spokeswoman for IPIC couldn’t be reached for comment. The British Virgin Islands company, Tanore Finance Corp., couldn’t be reached.

    Another set of transfers, totaling 42 million ringgit ($11.1 million), originated within the Malaysian government, according to the investigation. Investigators believe the money came from an entity known as SRC International Sdn. Bhd., an energy company that originally was controlled by 1MDB but was transferred to the Finance Ministry in 2012. Mr. Najib is also the finance minister.

    The money moved through another company owned by SRC International and then to a company that works exclusively for 1MDB, and finally to Mr. Najib’s personal accounts in three separate deposits, the government documents show.

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    Nik Faisal Ariff Kamil, a director of SRC International, declined to comment. Mr. Kamil had power of attorney over Mr. Najib’s accounts, according to documents that were part of the government investigation.

    A 1MDB spokesman said, referring to the transfers into Mr. Najib’s account: “1MDB is not aware of any such transactions, nor has it seen any documents to this effect.” The spokesman cautioned that doctored documents have been used in the past to discredit 1MDB and the government.

    For months, concerns about 1MDB’s debt and lack of transparency have dominated political discussion in Malaysia, a close ally of the U.S. and a counterweight to China in Southeast Asia.

    When he founded 1MDB in 2009, Mr. Najib promised it would kick-start new industries and turn Kuala Lumpur into a global financial center. Instead, the fund bought power plants overseas and invested in energy joint ventures that failed to get off the ground. The fund this year has rescheduled debt payments.

    The Journal last month detailed how 1MDB had been used to indirectly help Mr. Najib’s election campaign in 2013. The fund appeared to overpay for a power plant from a Malaysian company. The company then donated money to a Najib-linked charity that made donations, including to local schools, which Mr. Najib was able to tout as he campaigned.

    “We only acquire assets when we are convinced that they represent long-term value, and to suggest that any of our acquisitions were driven by political considerations is simply false,” 1MDB said last month.

    The four probes into 1MDB are being conducted by the nation’s central bank, a parliamentary committee, the auditor general and police. A spokeswoman for Bank Negara Malaysia, the central bank, declined to comment. Malaysia’s police chief and a member of the parliamentary committee also had no comment. The auditor general said this week it had completed an interim report on 1MDB’s accounts and would hand it to the parliament on July 9.

    The prime minister is facing increasing pressure over 1MDB. The country’s longest-serving prime minister, Mahathir Mohamad, who left office in 2003, publicly has urged Mr. Najib to resign.

    This week, Malaysia’s home minister threatened to withdraw publishing licenses from a local media group, citing what he said were inaccurate reports on 1MDB.

    The $11.1 million of transfers to Mr. Najib’s bank account occurred at the end of 2014 and the beginning of 2015, according to the government investigation. Among the companies that investigators say it passed through was Ihsan Perdana Sdn. Bhd., which provides corporate social responsibility programs for 1MDB’s charitable foundation, according to company registration documents. Attempts to reach the managing director of Ihsan Perdana weren’t successful.

    Documents tied to the transfer said its purpose was for “CSR,” or corporate social responsibility, programs. The Wall Street Journal examination of the use of funds tied to 1MDB for Mr. Najib’s election campaign showed that the money was slated to be used for corporate social responsibility programs as well.

    The government probe documents detail how investigators believe SRC International transferred 40 million ringgit on Dec. 24 last year to a wholly owned subsidiary. This company on the same day wired the money to Ihsan Perdana, according to the documents. Two days after receiving the money, Ihsan Perdana wired 27 million ringgit and five million ringgit in two separate transfers to two different bank accounts owned by Mr. Najib, the government documents show.

    In February, 10 million ringgit entered the prime minister’s account, also from SRC International via Ihsan Perdana, the documents show.

    The remittance documents don’t name Mr. Najib as the beneficiary but detail account numbers at a branch of AmIslamic Bank Bhd. in Kuala Lumpur. Two flow charts from the government investigation name the owner of these accounts as “Dato’ Sri Mohd Najib Bin Hj Abd Razak,” the prime minister’s official name. A spokesman for AmIslamic Bank declined to comment.

    In another transaction, Tanore Finance, the British Virgin Islands-based company, transferred $681 million in two tranches to a different account at another Kuala Lumpur branch of AmIslamic Bank. The government probe said the account was owned by Mr. Najib, according to the documents.

    The transfers came from an account held by Tanore Finance at a Singapore branch of Falcon Private Bank, a Swiss bank which is owned by IPIC, the Abu Dhabi fund, according to the documents. A spokesman for Falcon Private Bank declined to comment.

    The $681 million was transferred to Mr. Najib’s accounts on March 21 and March 25, 2013, the government documents show.

    Write to Tom Wright at tom.wright@wsj.com and Simon Clark at simon.clark@wsj.com

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    Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #9 on: July 05, 2015, 01:16:40 AM »
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    Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #10 on: December 20, 2016, 01:10:16 PM »
    Hi Members
    2017 is around the corner. Anymore predictions for Mr X?  Don't know when he will get knock out completely.

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  • Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #11 on: December 20, 2016, 11:15:07 PM »
    These postings are interesting.  Unfortunate, I don't have enough knowledge to make much comment using BAZI on those two charts.

    I would stated this, 2016 was Bing and its seems the whole world just been reviewed how many things are done incorrectly or improperly.  2017 is Ding.  All of the sudden there is no light but only a small candle in a large room.  Does this reflect HOPE, lack of resolution, or others?  I guess this will depend on their charts. :)
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    Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 02:26:51 PM »
    Hi Members
    Can we guess his hour element from his children? Like his first born in a Wu Wu year which combined with Gui Wei hour? 

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  • Re: Tale of Two Leaders
    « Reply #13 on: July 13, 2017, 07:00:59 AM »
    Seem like only in a unfair and corrupted environment can both raise up to be leader. They wont stand a chance if election is taken place in a more developed country where average education level are high. 
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    Re: Tale of Two Leaders
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