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Hey

It looks like http://www.freehoro.net/ZWDS_EN/index.php is gone.
Not sure if they will came back.

I liked this calculator because they had daily transits with quite good main star(s) description for given day (San He) and other stuff (decade luck description etc).
Are there any English (or Chinese) alternatives?
I would prefer to have web based calculator, but I am ok with app.

Much better year for Putin based on travel palace

http://www.destinyandluck.com/luck_chart.php?month=10&day=7&year=1952&time=7%3A00am+to+8%3A59am&sex=Male&luck_year=2023&submit=Submit

And bazi indicates recersed luck for him and Zelensky. This year Putin receives uncobditional  support Zelensky receives conditional support

I got impression that your post is not related to freehoro discussion. In other words it looks like you posted in wrong thread @socrates ;)

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Wanted to post here :) - some people from here checked astrodienst forum (I think).
{ I am still slowly learning western astrology... }

Anyway...
Forum will be closed for posting at the end of January 2023.
They will have read-only mode (so people can archive posts) probably until the end of April 2023.

https://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1672846436
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We have seen that there are several migration paths open for forum users, to continue astrological discussions at other public places.
In the near future we shall publish a list of places they can migrate to.
 
We have decided to close this forum for writing (also for PM writing) at the end of January 2023.
 
It will remain available as read-only forum for a few more months, probably until the end of April.
 
Please note:
The forum is the only function of this website which will be ended.
All other services and features will remain.
This includes the free charts, the Astro-Wiki sections and Astrodatabank.


Tips for thread archiving -> https://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1672998817

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I have attached the chart.

This person caused someone else to be hospitalized for many days and showed no guilt. Very cold blooded.

Is it because of the person's 7k personality plus bing shen day pillar?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

I would simply vote that this person can be psychopath. Not everything can be read from 'chart'. You could have the same chart and person could be non-psychopath.

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Zi Wei Dou Shu (ZWDS) 紫微斗数 / Re: ZWDS Calculator freehoro.net down
« on: September 11, 2022, 04:29:08 PM »
Hmmm you can say it is different sect's calculation. Some do the leap month where a certain mid month they calculated differently. I believe, both of them don't have any wrongs to calculation.

I couldn't find a post from @aoefengshui that mentioned the way his calculator calculates, which is similar to zwds-calculator where he explain about the 'beginning of month'.

Interesting, indeed ZWDS1.3 calc from @aoefengshui shows TianFu at GuiSi as SELF.
{ added attachment }

I found this via google -> https://aoefengshui.blog/2016/01/24/double-lunar-month-the-leap-month/

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The way I used for the double lunar month (the leap month):

Before 15th of the leap month –the same month.
After 15th of the leap month — the next month.

For example:  Dec 20,1984 was Oct 28, 1984 in Chinese calender. Because it’s leap month and “28” is after 15th, so we will use Nov 28,1984 in Chinese calender for zwds chart. If not 28th, for example, 10th of leap month, it’s before 15th, so we just use Oct 10th in Chinese calender for zwds chart.
If right on 15th — then I would look at both charts to settle it down first.

Anyway it’s a good idea to settle down every chart before looking at the future.


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Does Si Hua daily transits are calculated in the same was as in San He? @TaiYin
I have looked in this book (but I have 2nd edition) -> https://www.amazon.com/Flying-Star-Wei-Purple-Astrology/dp/9675168072/
And they recommend the same way as in freehoro.

Besides this https://abc.ziwei.my/abc.php, calculates everything correctly. Before I used wrong starting point
"十六日 2022-09-11" Should be 16th day of the month, and I choosed 11.

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Zi Wei Dou Shu (ZWDS) 紫微斗数 / Re: ZWDS Calculator freehoro.net down
« on: September 10, 2022, 01:33:06 AM »
This site don't do as much as the freehero. Sad that it went down.

https://zwds-calculator.com/

Hi TaiYin

I am familiar with zwds-calculator.com :)
There was thread about it in this forum https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=17645.0

To be honest, I am not sure if it calculates correctly everything. Or maybe they are using different sect teaching.
I remember I typed Bill Ackman DOB + hour and got different result than from freehoro.net and lilianmetaphysicsscience / brotherkeong calculator.

DOB + hour taken from https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ackman,_Bill

Proof:
zwds calculator com
00:30 midnight, no RST adjustment -> https://zwds-calculator.com/chart2?month=5&day=11&year=1966&h=00&m=30&gender=Male&luck_year=2022
23:30 RST -> https://zwds-calculator.com/chart2?month=5&day=10&year=1966&h=23&m=30&gender=Male&luck_year=2022
So we get Tian Fu3 at Gui Si. And body palace in life palace.

lilianmetaphysicsscience / brotherkeong
00:30 midnight, no RST adjustment -> https://i.imgur.com/nAdTNTl.png
23:30 RST -> https://i.imgur.com/ImvkxbM.png
So we get only Wen Qu in self palace at Ren Chen.

If you use https://www.zhycw.com/pp/ziwei.aspx, you will get the same result as from brotherkong.
Weird, I wanted to point link why I use zhycw as double check. There was Art of Fugue post / thread at old wofs forum, but it looks like it is deleted?
https://www.fswmagazine.com/wofs/index.php/forum/11-purple-star-astrology/21755-mistakes-discrepancies-in-english-zwds-books?limit=20&start=20

https://www.fswmag.com/oldwofs/index.php/forum/purple-star-astrology/ ALSO does not works.
Does anybody has backup?


Back to topic, regarding alternatives... I was searching using similarweb / semrush and using freehoro.net / www.zhycw.com as domains for analysis. Then I looked for "competitors" / similar sites.
And it looks like there is one site that calculates DAILY transit, but this calc is FeiXing -> https://abc.ziwei.my/abc.php
Also I am not sure whether it calculates DAILY transit correctly.

It differes from Freehoro. For example my current monthly transit is in Friends palace. And freehoro showed that "friends month" started in 2022-08-27 with "Friends palace day transit".
But in abc ziwei it will start from "Health palace day".

Does Si Hua daily transits are calculated in the same was as in San He? @TaiYin

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Zi Wei Dou Shu (ZWDS) 紫微斗数 / ZWDS Calculator freehoro.net down
« on: September 09, 2022, 01:13:40 AM »
Hey

It looks like http://www.freehoro.net/ZWDS_EN/index.php is gone.
Not sure if they will came back.

I liked this calculator because they had daily transits with quite good main star(s) description for given day (San He) and other stuff (decade luck description etc).
Are there any English (or Chinese) alternatives?
I would prefer to have web based calculator, but I am ok with app.

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Only content from private area which really mean for his paid clients and students will be deleted. Other public area will not be affected.

So basically this sub-forum won't be deleted?
https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?board=198.0

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Period 9 starts from 2024 february

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One of the reasons we focus on systems like Wen Wang Gua 文王卦
Regarding Wen Wang Gua - I have 0 experience with this method. I only have Vincent Koh book (I ching wisdom revelead) - it was recommended here.
I may be able to provide some info / suggestions when I get experience (reading the book, learning the method and trying it e.g. 200+ times).

One of the reasons we focus on systems like Wen Wang Gua 文王卦, is because the text, in my humble opinion is just not suitable for complex questions.

When I asked Yijing this year, question was like:
What will happen if I change method of divining?
{ sometimes I was asking complex questions and I was thinking about using system from Vincent Koh book which is Wen Wang Gua OR totally different system, albeit "synthetic", in other words ignoring "text" }
I got
48.3.5 -> 7

Back then I was using Joseph Yu, Wilhelm and psychic-revelation (only hex descriptions) for divination.

If I go to
http://www2.unipr.it/~deyoung/I_Ching_Wilhelm_Translation.html#48
and check judgement

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THE JUDGMENT

THE WELL. The town may be changed,
But the well cannot be changed.
It neither decreases nor increases.

They come and go and draw from the well.
If one gets down almost to the water
And the rope does not go all the way,
Or the jug breaks, it brings misfortune.

Initial hex tells me that Iching will provide you always the same "signal", in other words well "it neither decreases nor increases".
{ It makes sense, because basically Iching is 2**12 OR 64*64 -> 4096 combinations (the same amount of "signal" from spiritual world). }
But If I make mistake (hasty way of making interpretation or being careless) then it will be misfortune.

Changing lines are positive (wilhelm text), however ending hex 7 Shi could be interpreted as "mobilization".
In other words I will have to learn new method :))

So I decided to just continue with "old ways" and try to master it (Yijing is easy to learn, hard to master).

On the other hand, Vincent Koh inside his book provides some framework/system for some inquiries e.g. finding missing thing, divining gender of child etc.
Then in this scenario it is possible that Wen Wang Gua is more efficient way instead of "classic text interpretation".

Also regarding hex 48 Jing.
Wilhelm judgement is different from Iching123 judgement/text.
Inside
https://www.iching123.com/48_text.htm
I have judgement:
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Jing (the well): The townscape has changed but the well remains unchanging.  The water of the well neither decreases nor increases, even if people come and go in Jing (drawing water from) Jing (the well).  However drawing is done in such a greedy way that the well nearly runs out of water; the rope has not reached the top of the well yet, the bucket breaks, which is of an ominous omen.

This could explaing why Jing doesn't possess any virtues:
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Overview:

The well provides water to all people. However people fight each other for it and become estranged, as suggested by its changing hexagram Shi He (21) and inner hexagram Kui (38), alienation. The bucket breaks before it reaches the top of the well, which is ominous. It is not the fault of the well but rather of the drawer.

Owing to its failure at the last moment, all four virtues: origination, smooth progress, advantage and persistence, become meaningless; thus hexagram Jing possesses none of them.

It could basically mean that Wilhelm explanation of Jing 48 could be incorrect.

Does it means you can't have results if you use Wilhelm text + Joseph Yu for interpretation?
Not really, Iching will automatically "auto-detect" which interpretations you use and give appropriate hexagram and changing lines.
{ This is also why I am using Wilhelm for interpretation of OLD divination, instead of Iching123; basically I was not aware of Iching123 then and divination was built for Wilhelm+Joseph Yu }

But this doesn't necessary mean, that Wilhelm interpretation is superior in my opinion.
I would say it is much less "in-depth" to Iching123 e.g.
- doesn't provide information which virtues hex have (only mentions that 1 Qian and 2 Kun have 4 virtues).
- no info about inner hexagram
- no info about changing hexagram
- no info about interactions between lines inside changing lines or inside hexagrams e.g. Sheng 45
- no image in moving line text
- no lines deduction
etc etc


There are hints to it, if you look at first and second Hexagrams, there is text valid if all 6 lines change at the same time. So we can see how one should approach the system, as that is the only condition in it where we can see text for more then one changing line presented. We can see that text has nothing to do with the line someone would take if they just use  simple method for choosing the premade text for one of then. Neither it is the meaning combine, its entirely different text, very logical since the Hexagram changes to something entirely different then it would from each individual line.
As of course, if the system wanted to show you line 3 changing, while would it also show you so many other lines moving... And why would they write the text for 6 changing lines in Hexagrams one and two, if you could find that text just by choosing one of the other lines...
I suppose the above paragraph refers to "Master Yin" way of moving lines interpretation.

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Master Yin

According to Alfred Huang, Master Yin handed down these rules for interpretation when there is more than one moving line.

1.  If there are two moving lines—one yin and the other yang—consult only the yin moving line.
2.  If the two moving lines are both yin or both yang, consult the lower one.
3.  If there are three moving lines, consult only the middle one.
4.  If there are four moving lines, consult only the upper of the two nonmoving lines.
5.  If there are five moving lines, consult only the other, nonmoving line.
6.  If six lines are all moving, consult the Decision of the new gua, the approached gua.
7.  Since there is a seventh invisible line in the first and second gua, Qian and Kun, for these gua consult the seventh Yao Text, called All Nines or All Sixes.  [If six lines are all moving.]

I just use this method as "support". I still try to interpretate all moving lines

In my experience, if you have only 1 moving line, then you can stick and only interpretate it.

For more changing lines, I interpretate all of them, but give more weight to lower line if I have 2 yangs (2 moving lines scenario) or to central one (3 lines) etc
In other words, it is something like "shortcut" what will happen.

If there are 4 or 5 moving lines, then "virtual line" will provide you "shortcut".


PS. I may be able to write review of this Iching123 book or write down all guides / tricks / tips regarding Iching. But this will take some time (busy now with other stuff) :)

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I mostly agree with you, but I have to wait to give you karma (Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 24 hours).

In Hung Hin Chaong XKDG book he presents the idea that XKDG uses Early Heaven Periods. That is very different as well.
Since he is a student of JY they both, of course are using the popular division of the Later Heaven Periods and that isn't connected to how they are counted in XKDG.
So there are teaching "most popular" method? Marketing?


If we compare QMDj Feng Shui to the short parts that are mentioned about the use of the Doors in Purple White Script it seems that from a very complex and detailed system there are just surface mentioned material that one will have trouble to get working in practice just from that.
QMDJ Feng shui? Interesting. Could you recommend some books about it?


About the other stuff... I don't think we need Divination on it, if you look around the Five Arts and Feng Shui places you can see people seriously using the systems profesionally for many years and no one is asking how to "fix" the periods, because we are very well aware that they aren't broken at all.

Let's use Master Yin suggestions to give more "weight" for certain moving lines for previous divination results :)
http://www.russellcottrell.com/VirtualYarrowStalks/rules.htm

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Master Yin

According to Alfred Huang, Master Yin handed down these rules for interpretation when there is more than one moving line.

1.  If there are two moving lines—one yin and the other yang—consult only the yin moving line.
2.  If the two moving lines are both yin or both yang, consult the lower one.
3.  If there are three moving lines, consult only the middle one.
4.  If there are four moving lines, consult only the upper of the two nonmoving lines.
5.  If there are five moving lines, consult only the other, nonmoving line.
6.  If six lines are all moving, consult the Decision of the new gua, the approached gua.
7.  Since there is a seventh invisible line in the first and second gua, Qian and Kun, for these gua consult the seventh Yao Text, called All Nines or All Sixes.  [If six lines are all moving.]


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What will result from counting the periods of flying stars Fei Xing FS according to the "book" method, ie the period 8 2024-2024?

43.1.3.4 -> 29
so 3rd moving line has more weight :)




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What will result from counting the periods of flying stars Fei Xing FS according to the "conjunction method", ie the period of 9 starts from December 2020?

24.6 -> 27

In my experience if there is only 1 moving line and you use "Master Yin" method -> this is your divination result



From time to time topics like this come up, trying to fundamentally change bazi or Feng Shui or other systems... And practitioners so far, almost always ignore them, because we know the system works and through the years we have arrived on how and its the same way that is explained in any book  on the topic. "why" it works like that and why it doesn't fit to the movement of the planets is also very interesting topic, but not that important in the long run.

Im not saying here "lets not used the classic", or "lets ignore the history accumulated this far" I'm just saying that in todays world with all technology and tools we have and so many practitioners from all over the world I would have a lot more faith in my own practice and their practice as well, then in text written many, many years ago, even more so since in almost all cases we aren't even entirely sure by whom.
I partly agree here :) Just because one system / method is widely used, it doesn't necessary mean it is the correct one / more detailed / more powerful.

Simple example would be I ching interpretations, most popular is from Richard Wilhelm Baynes. Iching123 is more detailed / in-depth compared to Wilhelm.
Yet it is very rarely used.
I would even say, that some lines are incorrectly/vaguely translated (e.g Zhun 3 line 6) in Wilhelm.


PS. Regarding periods.. it seems that there are based on chinese "virtual Jupiter" (so earthly branches and constant 20 years), so period 8 ends on 2024.
(I ching suggestion)
PS2. Screenshots from Iching moving lines interpretations are from https://www.iching123.com/

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Whas so confused about this one that I Asked I-ching (manually in real life, then posted screenshots using tools from web)...

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What will result from counting the periods of flying stars Fei Xing FS according to the "book" method, ie the period 8 2024-2024?


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What will result from counting the periods of flying stars Fei Xing FS according to the "conjunction method", ie the period of 9 starts from December 2020?


PS. I use Joseph Yu interpretations (idiot guide to i ching) and iching123

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In my view period 9 of 3 cycle 9 periods system (which is also explained in Purple White) Period 9 started December 2020, as is mentioned in the 1st PoV.

I just peaked inside "Xuan Kong Purple White script" book
https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=If1JDwAAQBAJ

And I don't see information that purple white script period started inside december 2020 :)



There is information that METAL period started on GENG ZI year, which is ~february 2020.


I also decided to peak earthly branches for
QING DYNASTY -> 1643 -> Jia Shen
and Shen date -> 1864 -> Jia Zi

And they decided to just use Jia Zi as starting point (makes sense).

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Weird, I didn't posted update what I calculated in previous year...

Basically they started (Shen Zhu Ren) "counting" periods from Qing dynasty start which is 1643/4.
In 1643 we had grand conjunction.
AND THEY DIDN'T FIXED/CORRECTED IT (so basically they used something like constant 20 years, instead of ~19.84).


If I start counting from:
2687BC (Yellow emperor), it will give you period 4 in 2000 (calculation using the exact time required for the conjunction -> "real time") or period 1 in 1993 ("constant 20 years").

2628BC (yellow emperor option B), it will give you period 1 in 2000 ("real time") vs  period 8 in 2012 ("constant 20 years").

2409BC (gui culture source), it will give you period 8 in 2000 ("real time") vs period 6 in 2011 ("constant 20 years").
2151BC (Emperor yao), it will give you period 4 in 2000 ("real time") vs period 2 in 2009 ("constant 20 years").

More details in spreadsheet (imported raw data from python script that calculated conjunctions). Keep in mind that some parts are in English and some parts are in Polish (notes).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ygNr0AI8FvPiGtNol1eqYcwW6ZacVXnLjY-7jEk8OKA/edit?usp=sharing


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2409BC (gui culture source), it will give you period 8 in 2000 ("real time") vs period 6 in 2011 ("constant 20 years").
This also highlights to take data from guiculture with pinch of salt :)
Because using this point of reference, he mentioned that PERIOD 1 started in 2000.

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Zi Wei Dou Shu (ZWDS) 紫微斗数 / Re: In search for Hua Ji Cures
« on: March 25, 2021, 05:23:31 AM »
Taken from https://www.amazon.pl/Hidden-Laws-Practical-Techniques-Flying/dp/1500653241

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Hua Ke and Hua Ji: Wood will use Water, henceforth Hua Ji can be reduced. This reduction is by intelligence, reasoning, knowledge and logic. However Hua Ke is very weak, so the reduction is also minimal. The process is also gradual and much slower.

What is interesting is this part:
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Hua Quan, Hua Ke and Hua Ji: Water grows Wood. Wood grows Fire. The power of Hua Quan will be strong and amplified.

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