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Hi,

I'm going to have a baby soon and my doctor suggested c-section on 7 Feb 2022 after 9am for my baby boy. Is this a good day for my baby boy? I put it in some calculators; some say it's weak and some say it's special chart.... so I'm confused  :-\

can someone tell me what type of chart is this and whether is this a good chart?

Thanks,
yummyfood

Caesarean section is not suitable for childbirth, and anesthetics are not good for children. It hurts both kid and mother.

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I am sorry for my late reply. Actually I am very busy recently. You know it is under a hard day in Hong Kong. I will continuously write somethings for this topic later.

Please wait. Thanks all.

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八字如何使用陽曆 (三)
How to use the Gregorian calendar in Bazi (3)


八字有十二地支,這個十二地支的系統,跟另一個系統「黃道十二宮」很相似,但卻是不同的兩個體系,但都是陽曆體系。十二地支是以「十二辟卦」於陰陽平衡的日子,作為一年的起點;而「黃道十二宮」則以日光照射的陰陽平衡日子作為一年的開始。

There are twelve branches in bazi. This system of twelve branches is very similar to another system "Zodiac Sign", but they are two different systems, but both are based on the solar system.

The twelve branches are based on the day when the Yin and Yang balance in the "Twelve Hexagrams" are used as the beginning of the year; while the start of the year under the "Zodiac" is based on the day when the Yin and Yang is balanced based on the sun’s lights.


《十二辟卦》"Twelve Pee Hexagrams"
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節氣



























滿




























十二辟卦,又名「十二消息卦」。「消息」不是 "New" 或 "Message" 的意思,這兩個字各有其獨立的意思。「消」是「陽消陰長」的意思,「息」是「陽長陰消」的意思(從子到巳為「息」,從午到亥為「消」)。那是由「子月」開始,從卦的底端,長出第一個「陽」爻出來,然後「丑月」開始,再長出第二個陽爻出來,當去到寅月,這時卦由三個陽爻、三個陰爻組成一個陰陽平衡的狀態,古人將之設定為一年的開始。

The twelve hexagrams are also known as "the twelve message hexagrams”. 消息 or "Message" does not mean "New" or "Message". These two words have their own independent meanings. 消 or "Xiao" means "Yang disappears and Yin grows", and 息 or "Xi" means "Yang evolves and Yin disappears" (from Zi to Si is 息 or "Xi", from noon to Hai is 消 or "Xiao").

It starts with 子月 "Zi moon". From the bottom of the hexagram, the first "Yang" line grows out, then the "丑 moon" starts, and then the second yang line grows out. When it comes to “寅 moon”, then The hexagram consists of three Yang lines and three Yin lines to form a state of Yin and Yang balance, which the ancients set as the beginning of the year.



大家不妨從上面十二個卦象去推想,這其實是太陽照射度的一個模型。它毫不牽涉月亮的盈虛,所以更沒有位置去安放久不久就多出來的「閏月」。

You can have a think about the twelve hexagrams above, that this is actually a model of the Sun’s irradiance. It has nothing to do with the shape of the moon, so it has no place to account for the "leap moon".


正月建寅 First month begins with Yin

月令並非真的是一個「月份」,它是地球與太陽的不同角度,從而令地球產生的不同的季節,前文已述。而我們一般說立春、雨水屬於「寅月」,驚蟄、春分屬於「卯月」等,這個「月」字,只是一個隨俗的講法。古文所謂「正月建寅」,是說正月「建立」於寅上,這個「寅」字並無單位,因為寅是一個角度範圍,而不是一個「月份」,你可以稱之為寅「宮」,這樣更貼近它的真實意義。

The month branch does not really refer to a "month"; it is the different angles between the earth and the sun, and thus the different seasons that the earth produces, as mentioned above. And we generally say that the beginning of 立春 “spring” and 雨水 “rain” belong to the "寅 month", the 驚蟄 or “startling sting” and 春分 “vernal equinox” belong to the "卯 month", etc. The word "month" is just a reference term according to the custom.

The so-called 正月建寅 or "first month to build Yin" in ancient texts means that the first month is "built" on Yin. This "Yin" has no unit, because Yin is a range of angles, not a "month". You can call it Yin "palace". This is closer to its true meaning.


正月指的是農曆月,既然是正月建立於寅宮之上,那就是說農曆月依附着節氣,而不是節氣依附着農曆。雖然《萬年曆》同時附有兩種曆法,但並不表示八字取用了兩種曆法,事實上,八字只取用了陽曆的部份而已。

The first month refers to the lunar month. Since the first month is established on the Yin Palace, it means that the lunar month depends on the jie qi, rather than the jie qi depending on the lunar calendar.

Although the 萬年曆 or "Perpetual Calendar" has two calendars at the same time, it does not mean that bazi use two calendars. In fact, bazi only use the part of the solar calendar.



由於「格里曆」是現今西方世界的主流曆法,而它又是基於太陽的規律計算的,所以「格里曆」便與「節氣」高度相關。前文已說過,例如今天是西曆8月28日,很容易就知道現在是「申宮」(月令),是黃道宮位的「巳宮」(即處女座);但如果我告訴你今天是農曆七月初十,你卻無法知道八字的月令是甚麼,也不知道屬於甚麼星座,而非得查一查萬年曆不可。所以查萬年曆來排八字,為的是讓慣用農曆的人查出陽曆,而不是倒過來,替陽曆換個農曆日子出來。

Since the "Gregorian Calendar" is the mainstream calendar in the Western world today, and it is calculated based on the laws of the sun, "Gregorian Calendar" is highly related to "jie qi".

As mentioned earlier, for example, today is August 28th in the Western calendar, it is easy to know that it is the "申 Shen Palace" (month commander), the "Si Palace" (ie Virgo) of the zodiac sign; but if I was to tell you today is the tenth day of the seventh month of the lunar calendar, you won’t be able to know what the month commander in bazi is or what constellation it belongs to without checking the perpetual calendar.

Therefore, using the Perpetual Calendar to arrange bazi is to allow for people who are accustomed to the lunar calendar to find out the solar calendar, instead of the other way around.



八字用不着把農曆查出來的最主要原因,是因為推算八字時,根本不會考慮命主出生時的月相是盈是虧;倒是命局的寒熱很重要,八字取用神有所謂「調候為急」,那是指「調候用神法」比很多取用神方法為重要。然則,月缺的時候,八字有甚麼取用神方法嗎 ?!

The main reason why the bazi does not need the lunar calendar is because when arranging a set of bazi, it does not take into account the phases of the moon (whether it is round or not). It is the coldness and warmth of the chart that is important. 調候為急 or "Adjustment of the temperature of the chart as a priority" means that adjusting the temperature of the chart is more important than finding the useful god of a chart. With the above being said, if bazi is really considered based on moon phases, how do we then find the Useful God when the moon is “New moon” or “Full moon”?!


至於黃道十二宮的體系,留待日後再談吧。

With regards to the zodiac system, it will be discussed later.

(Thanks JT for translation)

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八字如何使用陽曆 (二)
How to use the Gregorian calendar in Bazi (2)


我在寫這篇「八字是個陽曆玩意」文章時,並不知道在英語系的八字世界裏,對於八字使用陰曆與陽曆有那麼大的爭議和誤解。但正如我說過,我英文不太好,一字一句都是朋友幫我翻譯,所以我並不能多費唇舌在爭論上。我儘量把理據擺出來,分享給大家作分析。因為畢竟八字的原理,中文資料遠比英文為多。

As I was writing this "Bazi is a solar calendar" article, I didn't know that there were so many controversies and misunderstandings about the use of the lunar calendar and the solar calendar in the English Bazi practitioner community. But as I had earlier said, my English is not very good, and I rely on my friend for translation, I cannot be bothered to dwell on to-and-fro arguments. All I seek to do is to share the rationale for your own analysis and thinking. After all, there are far more documents in Chinese than in English on bazi as a subject matter.

在以前個人電腦未普及的時候,起八字盤都要買一本《萬年曆》作為查閱八字之用。《萬年曆》並沒有記載 10000 年的日曆資料在裏面,它只是一個稱呼。而《萬年曆》必須載有準確的廿四節氣的時間,而一般的《萬年曆》都把節氣的時間,記錄細緻到時分。

Before personal computers were readily available, one would have to buy a 萬年曆 or a "Perpetual Calendar" for the purpose of looking up the Bazi. The Perpetual Calendar does not actually record the calendar data of 10,000 years in it, and is but just a given name. The "Perpetual Calendar" contains the 24 節氣 Jieqi, and most of the available Perpetual Calendars will cover the 節氣 Jieqi in detail.

但由於中國人慣用農曆,所以《萬年曆》必然把農曆也一併載入,因為民間很多儀式都根據農曆日子而舉行的。而中國的農曆,主要是陰曆,「陰」就是「太陰」的意思,即是月亮,即是月亮曆。說它「主要」是陰曆,因為嚴格來說,中國的農曆是「陰陽合曆」,原因是月亮的光來自太陽,月亮的朔(新月)望(滿月)狀態來自於陽光的照射角度,及地球望過去的角度而產生,即是要有齊太陽、月亮與地球三者的位置,才能釐定月相。

However, because Chinese people are accustomed to the lunar calendar, the Perpetual Calendar also includes the lunar calendar (many folk ceremonies are held according to the lunar calendar). The Chinese lunar calendar is mainly the lunar calendar. 陰 or "Yin" means 太陰 or "Tai Yin", which means the moon, which is the lunar calendar. While we mostly term it as the lunar calendar, strictly speaking the Chinese lunar calendar should be the 陰陽合曆 or the "Yin and Yang calendar", because the light of the moon comes from the sun (the new moon  and the full moon) depends on the angle of lights from the sun. The three positions of the sun, the moon and the earth are required to determine the phase of the moon.

但就因為這本《萬年曆》把兩套不同的曆法同時收入,於是便有不少人把兩者混淆了。而奇怪的是,我只見過學術數的人混淆,卻從沒見過其它人會混淆的。在十多年前,我曾經在大陸的街頭買了一張星座運程,是很簡陋的,整份文件就只是一張紙而已,售一元人民幣。我看一看上面就好笑,他叫人用農曆來查自己的星座所屬。例如那份文件說,農曆三月廿一日至四月二十日是屬於「白羊座」,如此類推,事實當然不是如此,內容當然是玩票性的,純粹娛樂。

But because this Perpetual Calendar includes two different sets of calendars at the same time, many people are confused by the two calendars. The strange thing is that I have only seen people who are metaphysics trained confused but not others.

More than ten years ago, I once bought a constellation on the streets of Mainland China. The constellation was very crude, and was just on a single sheet of paper, and sold for one dollar. I looked at it and found it funny. The piece of constellation asked people to use the lunar calendar to find out where their sign belonged. For example, the person would be 白羊座 or  “Aries”  if birthday was to fall between March 21st to April 20th of the lunar calendar. This is, of course not the case but is for entertainment.


談回這本《萬年曆》,雖然它同時記載着兩種日曆,但事實上這兩套曆法,完全是兩個不同的系統。舉例來說,即使月亮從今天起爆炸消失了,也不會影響二十四個節氣,因為二十四個節氣的時間,是用地球的地軸傾斜率與黃道面之間的角度來釐定的,與月亮完全無關。同樣的,即使某天地球的地軸突然不斜了,九十度垂直於黃道面,整個地球的季節性消失了,也不會對月相那廿九至三十天的循環有任何影響。

Coming back to this "Perpetual Calendar", although it records two calendars at the same time, the two calendars are however based on completely different systems.

For example, even if the moon explodes and disappears today, it will not affect the twenty-four solar terms, because the time for each of the twenty-four solar terms is determined by the angle between the tilt of the earth’s axis and the plane of ecliptic. It has nothing to do with the moon. Similarly, even if the earth’s axis suddenly ceases to tilt one day, 90 degrees perpendicular to the plane of ecliptic, and the seasons on earth disappears, it will not have any effect on the 29 to 30 day cycle of the moon phase.




以上這些都是一些很普遍的天文知識,其實與八字無關。而我也不是曆學專家,例如我並不知道西曆一月一日是如何釐定的,大家知道的話請告訴我。只是我起八字盤的時候既然用到它,所以也涉獵了一點點曆學的知識而已,這些都是小學或中學教過的,不是嗎?

The above mentioned are some very common astronomical knowledge, and in fact, has nothing to do with Bazi. And I am not an expert with academic qualifications. For example, I don’t know how the first day of the Western calendar is determined. If you know, please tell me. It's just that when I was picking up bazi, I came to learn this little bit more of knowledge. These are all taught in elementary or middle school, right?


現在起八字盤簡單多了,在電腦軟件上輸入一個西曆日期,八字盤就排出來了。而我們輸入的這個西曆,名為「格里曆」。這個格里曆,只與陽曆相關,與陰曆完全無關。例如今天是8月25日,我數數手指,就知道今天是「處女座」,即是太陽進入巳宮,留意這個「巳宮」不能叫做「地支」,它不是地支,它是「黃道宮位」,這個將來有機會再談。論地支,一看西曆是 8月25日,馬上就知道是「申」月了。這個換算過程,從不牽涉月亮的位置。

Setting up a bazi is much simpler now. Enter a date on the computer software and the bazi will be arranged for you in an instant. The Western calendar we entered is called 格里曆 or "Gregorian Calendar." This Gregorian Calendar is only related to the solar calendar and has nothing to do with the lunar calendar. For example, today is August 25. I counted my fingers, and I knew that today is "Virgo", that is, the sun enters the 巳宮 or the Si Palace. Please note that this sign cannot be called a "branch". It is not a branch. It is known as a "Zodiac".

This will be discussed again in the future. Regarding the Branches, when you see that it is August 25 in the Gregorian calendar, you immediately know that it is the 申 or "Shen" month. This conversion process never involves the position of the moon.


我也懂寫軟件,而且十幾年前就寫了一個八字軟件,很清楚八字盤是如何排的。其實一個八字軟件排盤程式,只需要知道西曆日期,就能排出八字盤了。只是為了遷就一些只知道農曆生日的人,才需要在軟件中加入一個農曆對照表,否則整個八字軟件,是完全無需要農曆資料的。

I also know how to write software, and in fact I wrote a bazi software more than ten years ago, and I do know how a set of bazi is arranged. In fact, a bazi software only needs to know the date in the Gregorian calendar to output the set of bazi. Only in order to accommodate some people who only know the birthday of the lunar calendar, it is necessary to add a lunar calendar comparison table in the software, otherwise the bazi software does not require lunar data at all.

以上這些都是一些悶蛋得很的文章,但見大家談陰陽曆在八字上的爭議,爭論得很起勁,所以我想在這裏分享多一點資料給大家看看。希望八字學者不單是「相信」八字是只使用陽曆,而且也確實「知道」它是如何使用陽曆的。可是這篇文章太長了,為了讓我好友翻譯得不那麼辛苦,就先寫到這裏,下篇再談吧。

The above are probably boring for those with a background, but I wanted to share some information here for everyone after seeing so much controversy with regards to the solar and the lunar calendars in relation to bazi. I hope that Bazi practitioners not only "believe" that Bazi uses the solar calendar, but also really "know" why it uses the solar calendar.

But of the length of this article, I will pause here and discuss more about it in the next article.


(Thanks JT for the translation.)

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Ok kets change history to match your post.
The Chinese instead creating their own calendar adopted the western solar calendar 5000 years ago.
Bazi is now plotted with 30 day months instead of 28days based on the phases of the moon.
Bazi now base the seasons on solar months, instead of using the 24 节气 that the ancient people used to measure the seasons.

Now go out and plot charts like this in the future and lets see the results of your readings on here.

Very simple.

Note: 命书 is the accumulated knowledge of over 2000 uears of knowledge since the beginning of Chinese Culture.
There were many precursor books before  命书 like Huai Nan Zi.

Oh and you are right 8/19 is 七月初一。Human mistake on my end.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Sadly unlike some member on here. I don't have the special privilege to go back and correct it.

八字如何使用陽曆
How to use the Solar calendar in Bazi


請恕我無法就你提出的論點一一回應,雖然我很願意這樣做,但因為我的英文很差,一字一句都是網友替我無償翻譯的。所以我決定主動多寫一些八字使用陽曆的理據出來,希望這樣勞煩人家少一點,而且比較踏實。

Please forgive me for not being able to respond to your arguments in a timely manner. I would have liked very much to do so but am handicapped by my command of English, requiring help from my friend to translate my replies from mandarin to english word by word. As such, I decided to pre-emptively write about the use of the Gregorian calendar in bazi in order to try to reduce some of this hassle for my friend.


因為現在電腦流行,起八字盤已無需拿着萬年曆來查表格,好處是方便了用戶,壞處就是讓很多學者完全忽視了盤式的組合因素。

Because computers are now popular, there is no need to use the 萬年曆 perpetual calendar to arrive at a set of bazi. The advantage is that it is convenient for users, but the disadvantage being that many users has overlooked the building blocks from manually arranging a set of bazi / chart.


首先,所謂八字中「寅月」「卯月」…等,是節氣的代名詞,每一個月份都是由一個「節」、一個「氣」構成。這些基本的理論,很多八字書都會有說明的。而「節」與「氣」,都是由陽曆而來,因為它是由太陽與地球的相對位置而釐定的。而這也是季節的來源。

Firstly, the 「寅月」"yin yue", 「卯月」"mao yue"... etc. in bazi are synonymous with solar terms. Every month includes one "jie" and one "qi". Many bazi books will explain these basic theories.  The "jie" and "qi" both come from the solar calendar, because they are determined by the relative position of the sun and the earth. And this is also the source of the season.

Below is a table of the branches with corresponding periods, jies and qis.
24 Solar Terms

Month Branch節 (Ecliptic longitude)氣 (Ecliptic longitude)Solar date range (approximately)
Yín - 寅
立春 (315°)
雨水 (330°)
2月4日~3月5日
Mǎo - 卯
驚蟄 (345°)
春分 (0°)
3月6日~4月4日
Chén - 辰
清明 (15°)
穀雨 (30°)
4月5日~5月5日
Sì - 巳
立夏 (45°)
小滿 (60°)
5月6日~6月6日
Wǔ - 午
芒種 (75°)
夏至 (90°)
6月7日~7月7日
Wèi - 未
小暑 (105°)
大暑 (120°)
7月8日~8月7日
Shēn - 申
立秋 (135°)
處暑 (150°)
8月8日~9月8日
Yǒu - 酉
白露 (165°)
秋分 (180°)
9月9日~10月8日
Xū - 戌
寒露 (195°)
霜降 (210°)
10月9日~11月7日
Hài - 亥
立冬 (225°)
小雪 (240°)
11月8日~12月7日
Zǐ - 子
大雪 (255°)
冬至 (270°)
12月8日~1月5日
Chǒu - 丑
小寒 (285°)
大寒 (300°)
1月6日~2月3日
Reference: https://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/focus/solar-term.htm


反觀月亮,我見過有人提出過八字以「正月初一」起「寅月」、「二月初一」起「卯月」等,但眾所周知,月球是與季節無關的,而所謂的「正月」讓人知道它處於新春,那是因為編製曆書的人,人手調校出來的,調校的方式,是在某些日子,加插一個「陰曆月」,即是所謂的「閏月」;但請謹記這是一個人為的操作,而不是天上星體的規律。如果編纂曆書者不作此校正,就會出現正月初一發生在仲秋日子的情況。

In contrast to the moon, I have seen people mentioning that bazi starts with the first day of the first lunar month "Yinyue", and the first day of the second lunar month "Maoyue" and so on. But as we all know, the moon has nothing to do with the seasons.

What is termed as 正月 or the first month is just to let people know that Spring is here. These calendars are created by people manually,  by inserting a 陰曆月 "lunar month" for adjustment, which is the so-called "leap month" where necessary; but please be reminded that all these are “man-made”, not a law of the stars in the sky. If the creators of the lunar calendar do not make this correction, it will happen that the first day of the first lunar month falls on the mid-autumn day.



以陰曆起八字月柱另一個要解決的問題,是「閏月」到底如何處理。例如「閏七月」,它是不是計入「申月」呢,即是一年有兩個「申月」,佔六十日?是不是這樣呢?這都是我以前聽過提出以陰曆起八字的人,沒有交待的事情。

Using the lunar calendar to set up a bazi, another problem to be solved is how to deal with the "leap month". For example, the "leap seventh month" - does it mean that there are two 申 months and accounting for sixty days? Is this the case? The above are amongst some of the areas that advocates of the lunar calendar do not have an answer / explanation.



至於你提到的《命書》、《淮南子》,可否引一些相關的章節出來給大家參詳一下?

As for the Life book or "Ming Shu" and "Huai Nan Zi" you mentioned, could we trouble you to quote some relevant chapters for us to reference?

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Chinese calendar has always been lunar based.
They only adopted the gregorian calendar in the past 100 years.
Bazi is 1500 years old do the math.

Most bazi software online converts your solar birthday to lunar birthday before plotting your chart.
Very simple 8/19/2020 how would you plot this bazi chart?

If you say 庚子,甲申,乙未。 You are not using the solar calendar. You are using the lunar calendar.
 七月初二 July 2nd in the Chinese Calendar. All bazi is based on Chinese Calendar.

If you are using modern software to that lets you enter your solar birthday, it automatically reverts it back to lunar.
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The lunar calendar is a calendar system based on the moon and the planetary bodies. Without the position of the sun, the moon does not know whether it is in spring or autumn, or whether it is round or crescent shaped.

Could I then ask you which ancient bazi texts or books chronicles that the month pillars of a set of bazi are determined by using the lunar calendar? And I also like to know how one then deals with a leap month in the lunar calendar.

In addition, what was the first bazi document 1500 years ago?

>Very simple 8/19/2020 how would you plot this bazi chart?
>If you say 庚子,甲申,乙未。 You are not using the solar calendar. You are using the lunar calendar.
>七月初二 July 2nd in the Chinese Calendar. All bazi is based on Chinese Calendar.
8/19/2020 is 七月初一 but not 七月初二. But if you used adjustment of full moon adjustment, it is another issue. And I wonder which Chinese Calendar or software figure out 8/19/2020 is 乙未日?

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But Jerry King thinks otherwise: https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=1983.0
I read the essay but I didn't see any theory to support how and why using Lunar to bazi. Just suggest people to give it a try.

Ok. So do you know the theory about Lunar in Bazi?

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八字是個陽曆玩意
Bazi is based on the solar calendar


八字當中每一個字,猶如八個訊號發射站,不停發放能量出來。尤其是地支,它們提供了能量支持天干,天干則使用它本身的能量,及地支對它的支持,影響命主的命運。說是影響可能有點不當,因為命運是命主招來的,八字只是「反映」命主的各種狀態,猶如溫度計顯示着環境的溫度一樣,沒理由說成天氣很熱,是因為溫度計的指標很高的。

Each of the eight characters in a set of bazi is like a signal transmitting station, which continuously emits energy. This is especially so for the branches; they provide the energy to support the stems, and the stems use its own energy and the support from the branches to affect the fate of the Destiny Holder. It may be inappropriate to say that the characters affect / influence the Destiny Holder as the characters only "reflect" the various states of the Destiny Holder’s fate, just like the thermometer reflecting the temperature of the environment and not that the weather is hot because the indicator of the thermometer shows a high reading.


地支的確很重要,天干賴之以為根,就如一棵植物,失去泥土的養份,即使不凋謝,也不能茂盛到哪裏。不過,四個地支也不是等量齊觀的。當中的「月令」(月柱地支)特別重要,因為它發放的能量是地支中最大的。原因很簡單,因為月令代表季節,例如當月令屬火的時候,代表夏天,到處都很炎熱,它的影響力無遠弗屆,而且是持續力強,你夏日炎炎下開了冷氣機很舒適,當冷氣機關了之後,就再熱起來了,這就體現了月令的持續力。

Branches are indeed very important. The stems rely on it as the root, akin to a plant; if it loses the nutrients of the soil, even if it does not wither, it can't flourish. However, the four branches are not of equal importance. The "Month Commander" (Month Branch) is particularly important because it emits the largest energy among the Earth Branches.

The reason is very simple; the Month branch represents the season. For example, when the Month Commander is a fire, it represents summer. It is hot everywhere. Its influence is far-reaching and continuous. For example, if you turn on the air conditioner in the summer heat, it feels comfortable. When the air-conditioning is turned off, it heats up again, which reflects the continuous power of the Month Commander.



另一個是時支,它代表着一天的循環,例如屬水的時支,一定是晚上。它同樣影響着溫度,只是沒有月令那麼明顯而已,因為無論如何,晚上溫度總比中午低一些,不是嗎。

The other is the hour branch, which represents the hour of the day. For example, a “water” hour branch must be at night. It also reflects the temperature of a chart, while it is not as obvious as the month branch, the temperature at night will normally be lower than at noon, right?


反觀年支或日支,即是全都屬火,也不會推高溫度計一度半度。所以無論是月支或時支,它都有點特殊地位。特殊之處,在於它的影響力,會遍佈全局,也就是說,其它七個字全都受它們影響,特別是月令。比方說,年支屬金,月干屬木,可是年支是不會剋月干的;可是倒過來,若月支屬金,年干屬木,則月支卻會剋年干;而其實這個屬金的月支,不單會剋年干的木,只要其它六個字有屬木的,都會被它所剋,只是輕重不同而已。

On the other hand, the Year or Day branches, even if they are fire elements, does not affect the temperature of the chart. So be it the Month or the Hour branches, either of then has a special status for a bazi. The special thing is that its influence will affect the whole chart, that is to say, all the other seven characters are affected by them, especially the month order.

For example, if the Year branch is metal, and the Month stem is wood, but the Year branch will not overcome the Month stem; but the other way round, if the Month branch is metal and the Year stem is wood, the Month branch will harm the Year stem; in fact, this Month metal stem will not only harm the Year wood stem, but also any of the other characters in the bazi that are wood. As long as any of the characters are wood,  they will all be harmed by the Month metal stem with different severity.



舉個具體一點的例子,八字法則裏,有一個情況叫做「傷官見官」,這個組合代表人際關係不好。假如一個八字,它的月令是傷官,而天干卻有一個正官,無論這顆正官落在哪個天干,都代表命主的人際關係不好。這時便得看有沒有財星或印星作化解,若沒有的話,真的要勸一勸命主多點修心養性,否則運氣不好的時候,便容易跟人爭執闖禍了。

To give a specific example, there is a situation in bazi known as "the Hurting Officer meets the Officer." This combination represents a bad interpersonal relationship. If a bazi has its Month branch as a Hurting Officer, and an Officer star in the stems (regardless of which stem), it means that the Destiny Holder's interpersonal relationship is not good. At this time, you have to see whether there are Wealth or Resource stars in the chart to mitigate the impact. If not, you may want to persuade the Destiny Holder to take up meditation or self reflection because such Destiny Holder when out of luck, will find himself or herself easily quarreling with others / causing trouble.


回想一遍,月令與時支特別重要,都是因為太陽,春夏秋冬源於太陽,早午晚也源於太陽,它們的能量就是直接來自太陽,所以八字是個使用陽曆系統的算命術,與陰曆(農曆)關係不大。

Recall that the Month and Hour branches are particularly important because of the sun. The seasons of spring, summer, autumn and winter are due to the sun. The different stages in a day, morning, afternoon and evening are also because of the sun. Their energy comes directly from the sun, so bazi is a Chinese Metaphysic (CM) study that relies on the solar calendar system. The lunar calendar is not relevant.

(Thanks JT for the translation.)

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「天覆地載」的涵義
The meaning of ‘revealing through the heaven and hidden in the ground’


上次講過「身旺任財」,又或是「身旺可以托財官」,「身」即是「日元」,日元只要有一個健康的根,那麼滿盤財官都不怕。那怕大運再來財官,仍然多多益善。這個時候,如果要「幫身」,寧取印星而不取比劫。因為地支的根就是比肩、劫財,即使在大運再來一次比劫,只是錦上添花,要給你欠缺的所需,才是雪中送炭。

I had previously discussed that a strong Day Master can receive / support wealth and officer stars. As long as the Day Master has a healthy root, it will be able to withstand wealth and officer stars and benefit from such wealth and officer stars in decade pillars (in fact, the more the merrier)

If the Day Master is rooted but still weak, one would rather have Resource stars as opposed to Friend or Rob Wealth stars. This is because the roots of the branches are already Friend and / or Rob Wealth stars and seeing more Friend / Rob Wealth stars in the decade pillars would just be adding on to whatever is there (nice to have). It is only receiving what one needs that is truly useful.


舉例來說,日主是甲木,若地支「寅木」便是甲木很好的根,這個寅木不一定要在甲下面,即是不一定要「甲寅日」才叫做根,八字中四個地支,任何一個是寅木都是甲的根。這個根有個名,叫做「祿」,初學八字的時候,應該把「甲祿在寅」、「乙祿在卯」…等口訣背得啷啷上口。以英語為母語的,也要想做辦法把熟記它。

For example, if the Day Master is 甲 wood, then 寅 wood would be a very suitable root for the 甲 wood. This 寅 wood need not necessarily be the branch that sits directly below the 甲 wood but can be any one of the four branches. This root has a term for it 祿 or "Lu" and for there are a set of catchy formulas / sayings that beginners recites to help remember the Day Master-Root relationships such as 「甲祿在寅」、「乙祿在卯」. Those learning bazi in English should also try to find ways to help them remember these relationships.

「十干祿」表格
The corresponding 祿 or "Lu" for each of the ten stems

十干祿

這種天干有「甲」,地支有「寅」的情況,稱為「天覆地載」,比較通俗的說法,叫做「天透地藏」(「地藏」的意思,需要是地支的「主氣」,而不能只其它的藏干,因為主氣以外的藏干,力量也有不足),這是構成一個好格局的八字的一個重要元素。一個天干,若沒有地支作力量的支持,名為「虛浮」的天干,力量較弱。

This kind of situation in which the stem has 甲 wood and the branch has 寅 wood is called 「天覆地載」or  more commonly 「天透地藏」and has the literal translation of "revealing through the heaven and hidden in the ground ".

「地藏」refers to the main Qi in the branch and not the other sub Qis because those are not strong enough.
This is an important element of what constitutes a good bazi structure. If a stem does not have sufficient support from the branch, it’s strength is weaker and we call such a stem 虛浮 which has the meaning of superficial or imaginary


除了日元喜有根之外,所有對日元有利的天干,都是有根更好。例如財星,也不是愈多愈好,只要財星也是天覆地載就夠了。因為財星是會「破印」的,當財星太多,剋去命局中的印星,命主便會因為貪財而不理信譽,錢是賺到的,但卻換來不好的信譽,例如被批評他錢賺得太狠太盡,這樣好嗎?

Besides the Day Master benefiting from being rooted, it is better for the other stems that are beneficial to the Day Master to be rooted. For example, one does not need many Wealth stars as much as for the Wealth star to be rooted. Having too many Wealth stars is actually bad because Wealth stars attack Resource stars and when the Resource star is hurt, the Destiny Holder will become greedy without a care for reputation. The money is earned but in exchange for a bad reputation. Is this okay?

如果這個時候,八字中又有一顆官星在天干,而且通根到地支,那是更佳之造,因為官星更是代表辦事能力及權位。如果你斤斤計較這些財星與官星,與日主誰較強,或嫌他們不夠「平衡」,以為這是一個劣造的話,那就是一個很大的錯誤了。

If at this time, there is another Officer star in the stems of the bazi, and is rooted through the branch(es), this will be a positive because the Officer star signifies ability and power. If you are nitpicking about the number of Wealth and Officer stars, and using that to compare to the strength of the Day Master or that the Wealth and Officer stars are not "balanced" and that it is a bad thing, then it is a big mistake.

A bazi case is attached for reference.

(Thanks JT for the translation.)

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「身旺任財」的誤解
Misunderstandings of Strong Day Master and Strong Wealth


十神代表了十種性質,這十種性質衍生出十種性情與事態。但每個人的八字中有四個天干、四個地支,地支又藏有天干,那麼,哪一個代表你呢?另一方面,每個十神都有它的好處與壞處,如何判斷出現在八字的十神,是表現它好的方面多一點,還是壞的方面多一點呢?

The Ten Gods represent ten characters, and each of these ten characters accordingly accounts for different sets of temperaments, situations and outcomes. But in each set of bazi, there are four stems and four branches, and each of these branches have hidden stems. So, which of these represents you? On the other hand, each of the Ten Gods has their advantages and disadvantages. How to judge whether the ten gods appearing in the Bazi is showing more of its positive or negative aspects?

有人說,人本來就有多重性格,超過一種十神代表他也是正常的。可是如果這樣分析的話,當遇上一個八字是五行齊全的時候,則十神都齊備了,那怎麼辦呢?

There is a saying that a person has multiple personalities so it is normal that he is represented by more than one of the Ten Gods. But based on this approach, when you encounter a bazi encompassing all five elements with all Ten Gods, what should we do then?

也有人說,以取八字中最旺的五行所屬的十神,來演譯命主的性格,這算是說對了一部份。於是,就開始有人將八字以數學公式運算,作為分析命局中每一種五行的比重。這種方法,首見於七十年代的台灣命理師。這一學派的論點,認為用一個斬釘截鐵的強弱分析法,作為標準來分析八字,可以令推算八字更科學化,不會流於自由心證。這一派將各天干地支及藏干全部代入數字,來計算整個八字的五行強弱,運算方式頗為繁複。我除了看到某些八字軟件使用類似的分析法之外,很少見有人引用這個法則來推算八字,因為人手計算起來實在不便,但電腦軟件是數字化的分析工具,無論其法有多複雜,電腦的運行速度甚快,一下子就計算出結果來了。可惜在這方法創立的年代,個人電腦還沒盛行,否則這一派的聲勢必更浩大,然而在七十年代來說,這確是一項創舉。

There are some people who think that the Destiny Holder’s personality is best reflected by the strongest element and Ten God. This is some truth to this. As a result, some people began to assess bazi using mathematical formulas to analyse the relative strength of each type of five elements. This approach was first adopted by Taiwanese Chinese Metaphysis (“CM”)  practitioners in the 1970s. The basis for this approach is predicated on the belief that decisively using such an approach makes the assessment of a set of bazi more scientific and removes subjectivity. This approach assigns numeric values to all the stems, branches and the hidden stems to determine the strength of the five elements of the set of bazi and can be quite complicated.

Apart from seeing some bazi software adopting such an approach, rarely do I come across people using this approach to assess a set of bazi because of inconvenience to determine it manually, but with the help of computing technology, results can now be determined in an instance. It's a pity that when this approach was introduced, computers hadn't become as accessible, otherwise this school would have become more popular, but in the 1970s, this was indeed a pioneering move.


但在此之前,八字法並不是這樣分析的。雖然日主的強弱很重要,但這只是其中一個分析因素,前文已述。然而即使是判別日元強弱,分析理念也不是這樣的。舉例來說,一個財旺的八字,在日元強弱的分析法之下,算命師一定會比較日元與財星之間的強弱,因為八字理論中,有所謂「身旺任財」「身旺可以托財官」,「任」字是「擔任」「托」字是「負起」的意思,「身」是指日元,全局即是說,日元要夠旺,才能擔得起財富;又或者說「財多身弱,富屋貧人」,形容日元弱,即使八字中財星多,也只會讓錢財經過命主的手,但命主卻無福消受,等等。可是他們卻沒有說明日元如何才算是弱,如何才算夠強。老實說,這幾句廣為八字學界所用的斷語,我從不知道它出自何經何典。

But before that, bazi was not analyzed in this manner. Although the strength of the Day Master is very important, it is but only one of the factors as mentioned before. However, even if it is to assess the strength of the Day Master, the analysis philosophy should not be like this.

For example, in assessing the strength of the Day Master, a CM practitioner will compare the relative strength of the Day Master with the Wealth stars because  of the saying「身旺任財」「身旺可以托財官」.「任」has the meaning of「擔任」or “serves”. 「托」has the meaning of「負起」or “support”. 「身」refers to 日元 or the “Day Master”. The sentence having the meaning that only a strong Day Master will be able to support wealth or when the wealth stars are strong and the Day Master is weak, wealth will only pass through the hands of the Destiny Holder (the Destiny Holder does not get to enjoy the riches). Although this is a widely known saying, no explanation whatsoever is available as to what is construed as strong or weak and I have no clue as to the source of this saying.


但請諸君切勿誤會,以為我認為日元的強弱不重要,它是重要的,可是它重要之處,並不是要平衡日元與其它七個字的強度,而是要日元有一個支持點!因為惟有確立了自身的價值,才有能力應對世間各種人事物。那麼,日元的支點是甚麼?就是地支的「根」。

But please don’t get me wrong, and that I do not think the strength of the Day Master is important. It is important, but its importance is not to balance the strength of the Day Master with the other seven characters in a set of bazi, but to have a support for the Day Master! It is only when one has established one's own value can one have the ability to deal with the different kinds of people and things in the world. So, what is the support of the Day Master? It is the "root" of the Branches.


舉例來說,一個財多的八字,只要日元很好地通根到一個地支,就足夠成為一個富有的人了,哪怕日元所主的五行,遠少於財星的五行。

For example, a character with a lot of wealth stars, as long as the Day Master is well connected to the roots of a branch, it will be enough for the person to become rich, even if the element represented by the Day Master is far fewer than the element represented by the wealth star.

然而日元通根到地支,也有不同程度的分別。通根得不好,效果便會大打折扣,甚至因財惹禍。例如如果這個根是受沖的話,命主很容易會在成功的時候,突然破敗。

However, there are varying degrees of the Day Master connecting to the roots of the branch. If the connections to the roots are not well supported, the effects will be greatly reduced, and may even cause financial trouble. For example, the Destiny Holder could even when successful, suddenly see failure if the root is clashed.

(Thanks JT for the translation.)

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« on: August 08, 2020, 03:02:31 AM »
@divinerchan do you mean that I could end up irritating law breakers by what I say or do and hence have a issue with the law because they will want to go after me?
I mean, please be careful about influenced by bad people or bad news, making you break the law. Or get trouble that conflicts with others seriously. Especially in next year (2021).

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« on: August 07, 2020, 03:58:25 PM »
Your bazi shows that you are easy to fall into the criminal. Keep positive thinking.
I really hope it never gets to that as I am setting out to fix problems in the world with my business not to become a problem. I would be curious to know what shows that I would end up doing that.
You are easy to provoke lawbreakers, which may cause you into lawsuits.

Sorry so does he easily fall in the criminal or does he get provoked by criminals? Two different things
Just curious can explain where you see this in his bazi?
I don't know is he the first cause in a case. Just like somebody is not suitable for doing business in partnership with others. I don’t know who is first proposed to start a business. I just know the person is not suitable for that.

And sorry I don't know how to explain my reading in this bazi.

Hi @divinerchan it is very hard to understand your english.
Its ok nm if you cant explain the bazi.
I am so sorry for my bad English.

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« on: August 07, 2020, 01:53:41 PM »
Your bazi shows that you are easy to fall into the criminal. Keep positive thinking.
I really hope it never gets to that as I am setting out to fix problems in the world with my business not to become a problem. I would be curious to know what shows that I would end up doing that.
You are easy to provoke lawbreakers, which may cause you into lawsuits.

Sorry so does he easily fall in the criminal or does he get provoked by criminals? Two different things
Just curious can explain where you see this in his bazi?
I don't know is he the first cause in a case. Just like somebody is not suitable for doing business in partnership with others. I don’t know who is first proposed to start a business. I just know the person is not suitable for that.

And sorry I don't know how to explain my reading in this bazi.

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« on: August 07, 2020, 10:25:31 AM »
Your bazi shows that you are easy to fall into the criminal. Keep positive thinking.
I really hope it never gets to that as I am setting out to fix problems in the world with my business not to become a problem. I would be curious to know what shows that I would end up doing that.
You are easy to provoke lawbreakers, which may cause you into lawsuits.

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對十神好壞的補充
Supplement to the positives and the negatives of the Ten Gods


上文我對十神,只說它的好與壞,而不直接用「吉凶」來形容它們,是為了避免學者不必要地因為誤解而產生恐懼。因為事實上,它們事實上十神中每一個都有它適當的配置方式,如果配置得當,壤的十神的吉利程度,可以遠遠大過好的十神。但因為分析方法是一層一層的,如果若然未弄清楚十神的本質,便去作深一層的分析,那很容易產生錯誤。

In the preceding text, I only discussed which of the Ten Gods are positive and negative without directly discussing why they are "positive” or  “negative". The reason was to avoid unnecessary confusion, misunderstanding and fear for beginners.

This is because each of these Ten Gods has bazi structures and configurations that suit them. If configured properly, the auspiciousness of the Inauspicious Gods can far outweigh those of the Auspicious Gods. But because there are several layers of analysis, it is easy for one to make mistakes when attempting to undertake an in-depth analysis if one does not have a good understanding of the nature of the Ten Gods.


我有朋友看完上文,說不太明白為甚麼「偏印」被視為「壞」的十神成員,所以我打算再補充一下。

上文談到,正印是有情地生助日元,是用盡力量去生,日元受到這種生助,當然是好。但偏印則是無情地生,怎麼會不好呢,畢竟也是受助啊,接受少一點而已,有需要這麼貪婪嗎?那麼我要再談談陰陽的「偏」與「正」的問題。

My friend after reading the previous text remarked that he does not understand why 偏印 Indirect Resources should be an Inauspicious God so I have decided to supplement my previous text.

As mentioned in the preceding text, 正印 Direct Resources will affectionately try to assist the Day Master, and will do its best to “produce” the Day Master. This kind of assistance is of course beneficial for the Day Master. But Indirect Resource “produces” or assists in an unaffectionate manner but why is this bad? After all, it is still assisting the Day Master, albeit a bit less and hence is there a need to be so greedy and consider it inauspicious? Let me discuss here the 正 “Direct”and 偏 “Indirect”nature of Yin and Yang.


一陰一陽謂之「正」。「正」的意思是「正統」的,是大部份情況如此,是「主流」的,總之,它代表「正常」下該如此,平時大部份情況下應該如此。所以「偏」就是偏離正常的情況,甚至是反常的,偏離得有幾嚴重,就看它有多「偏」了。

One Yin paired with one Yang signifies "Direct". "Direct" has the meaning of "conventional" and can be considered "mainstream". "Indirect" on the other hand means “unconventional” and suggests a departure from what is considered mainstream, or even abnormal. The seriousness of the departure will depend on how "Indirect" it is.

「偏」是否一定不好?當然不是,例如「偏財」。請大家留意,八字中的偏財,並不等於「橫財」,雖然它意義確實包含了橫財。「偏財」是不常有的錢、不固定的錢。「正財」是固定之財,例如受薪階級每月的工資,就是正財,只是收入是固定的,那怕是做生意,都是正財。例如開一間超級巿場,貨品的利潤或許平均約 20% 左右吧,今個月多不了多少,下個月少不了多少,這是正財。偏財呢,哪怕你只是一個小小的銷售員,例如你是銷售房地產的,這個月運氣不好,一單生意都談不成,下個月竟然替公司售出了三套房子,夠大半年的開支了啊,這就是「偏財」。

Is "Indirect" necessarily bad? Of course not - think about "Indirect Wealth" for an example.

Please note that the Indirect Wealth in bazi does not necessarily mean a "windfall", although a windfall is among one of its many meanings (it is a subset). "Indirect Wealth" is money that is not often available, or regular. "Direct Wealth" refers to regular cash flows / wealth. Examples of Direct Wealth would be where (i) the monthly salary that a salaried employee receives and also (ii) for businessmen or proprietors where the income or cash flows are fixed.

Direct Wealth could be for example, a business owner who operates a supermarket, let’s say the profit margin on goods is on average about 20%. It may be a little more this month, and a little less next month.

Indirect Wealth would be for example, a real estate broker, who may be unlucky in a certain month and cannot negotiate any close, but in other months could successfully close several transactions that would be more than sufficient to tide the person over for a meaningful while.


回說「偏印」,無論是偏印還是正印,我們統稱為「印星」。印星代表學問,代表上級對命主的支持,因為它生助日元嘛。所以有印星性格的人,他們說話有理有據,隨可以說為他的言論找到理據,哪個名人說過這番話呀,出自何經何典等,引述一大堆。而偏印性格的人,則特別喜歡引用大部份人都不知道、沒察覺的資料!

Coming back to "Indirect Resources", whether the star is an Indirect Resource or a Direct Resource, we still collectively refer to the star as a "Resource Star".

A Resource Star represents knowledge and the support one would receive from one’s superiors, because it “produces”or assists the Day Master. Therefore, Destiny Holders with Direct Resources personality, speak with reason and logic, and often have precedences to back up their arguments. Destiny Holders with an Indirect Resource personality on the other hand often quote or speak of information that most people have limited or no knowledge of!


大家應該不難想像,哪些資料會是大部份都不知道,或生活上沒留意的呢?這多數是一些很古舊的歷史、事物的來源,或一些小道消息,甚或一些陰謀論等。這些都是偏印性格所鍾意的學問。在他們眼裏,這些學問是不容挑戰的、不許挑剔的。對於這些學問,他們認為要繼續發展這類學問,只應繼續向上追溯,因為現今的人是不會明白這類學問的根本理念,用現代的方法去發展,只會愈加偏離這類學問的原意。你遇過這樣的朋友沒有?

It shouldn't be difficult for everyone to imagine, what type of information are those that people would have limited or no knowledge of? Some of this could include old historical text, gossip, or even conspiracy theories. These are examples of knowledge that a Day Master of Indirect Resource personality would favor.

In their eyes, these types of knowledge are not meant to be challenged or to be criticised. Regarding these types of knowledge, their beliefs is that in order to continue to develop this kind of knowledge, one should refer to historical texts, because people today do not have a good grasp of the fundamental concept of such knowledge, and using modern methods will only further deviate from the original intent of such knowledge. Have you ever met such a friend?


「偏印」若過重,會剋「食神」,留意偏印與食神一定是同陰陽的,若偏印屬陽,食神也一定屬陽,偏印屬陰,食神也一定屬陰。所以偏印剋食神,是「無情」的剋。可別忘了「食神」是吉神啊,吉神被無情地剋,剋它的當然是凶神了。所以古人稱偏印剋食神為「梟神奪食」(「奪」帶有不留情面的意思,除了用在競賽的時候,大部份情況是個貶義字),「梟」是偏印的別稱,古書裏有時稱偏印為「梟神」。


If the "Indirect Resource" is too strong, this will damage the "Eating God". Note that Indirect Resource and Eating God must be the same Yin Yang nature. If Indirect Resource is Yang, Eating God will be Yang, and if Indirect Resource is Yin, Eating God will be Yin.

Therefore, Indirect Resources controls the Eating God in an Unaffectionate manner. We should remember that the "Eating God" is a Positive God. The Positive God here is being unaffectionately controlled by an Negative God.

The ancients have a saying 偏印剋食神為「梟神奪食」or Indirect Resources controlling Eating God as Owl God stealing food. 奪 or stealing having the meaning of unforgiving, except when used in competitions, most other times it is a negative word), "梟" is another term for Indirect Resources and is sometimes, in ancient books, referred to as 梟神"Owl God"


如果明白上面的描述,那麼當你看到一個八字,出現「梟印奪食」的情況時,命主是一個怎麼樣的人,應該不需要我多費唇舌了吧。

If you understand the above discussion, and when you see a bazi that is characterised by 梟印奪食 or Owl God stealing food, you probably would be able to guess what type of person the Destiny Holder is.

(Thanks JT for the translation.)

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