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    « Reply #45 on: March 01, 2018, 01:33:44 AM »
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    « Reply #46 on: September 23, 2019, 05:31:09 PM »
    Hi @existentialistalbert ,
    Great Work on translating some of these QZSY texts! At a time when QZSY is going extinct we need more scholars like you to preserve this great tradition.
    I think the biggest problem with QZSY atm is the argument of how to correctly plot the chart.
    Very similar to the argument of Tropical vs Sidereal Astrology in the West.
    All in all good for people to test and use trial and error to confirm which way to plot the chart is best.
    I have found that 郑氏星案恒星制 seems to be the most accurate for me in terms of prediction of making sense of the chart.
    This is a  fixed star chart plotting style that is very similar to Vedic Ayanamsa.
    Which arranges the chart from a fixed star point of view using the red path, which basically is sidereal path as redpath is further expanded into the celestial equator to chart the 12 palaces.
    This was the original method used by Chinese Astrologer's Pre-Qing Dynasty and i find this method to be more accurate.

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    « Reply #47 on: September 23, 2019, 09:23:00 PM »
    When an art is obsolete, it is because of good reason(s).

    Let the lesser make way aside for the greater. That is called evolution. Got to move with the flow!



    *Disclaimer: Not anti-anything or against anything, just stating evolution is natural order. Nobody can stop evolution.
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    « Reply #50 on: September 24, 2019, 06:14:26 AM »
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    Look into the past (ie; via history), but do not live in it.
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    « Reply #51 on: September 24, 2019, 06:26:26 AM »
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    « Reply #52 on: September 24, 2019, 01:12:27 PM »
    Hi, @existentialistalbert
    In my mind you are a scholar  :).
    I also most clarify a little about Zheng Sect view point, style. QZSY has 3 main styles of chart plotting.
    黄道回归, 黄道恆星,赤道恆星。Every style has it's own reasoning and strength behind it so it is up to us the user to find which one works best for us; and is most accurate for us.
    黄道回归(Tropical),This version was adopted in the Qing Dynasty and is the modern form of QZSY. This Aligns 春分, to 0 Degrees of Aries or the Start of the Spring Equinox.
    Here the 24 mountains are aligned correctly with the seasons.
    黄道恆星 (Sidereal), This Version was also adopted in the Qing Dynasty due to Vedic Influences. This aligns the 24 节气 to a Star instead of to the Equinoxes, 0 Degrees of Aries will always be 180 degrees from Spica.
    春分 is always 180 degrees from Spica or Horn Constellation.
    Here the 24 mountains are aligned correctly with the stars.
    赤道恆星(RedPath Sidereal), The difference between the Redpath and Sidereal astrology is one is Looking from the ecliptic sky onto Earth(Sidereal), While the other is looking from the ecliptic earth onto the sky(RedPath).
    This is the original version that the Ancient's used when they wrote the books on QZSY.

    There are big differences in POV when it comes to these 3 methods. Three methods that look at the sky in 3 different ways.
    I like using Redpath because i find it to be a great addition to Vedic and Western Astrology. Vedic gives sidereal perspective,Western gives Tropical Perspective, and Chinese gives Redpath Perspective.
    We need to use all three and look for common indication within all three systems.

    For example if someone ask about career change, i can check Western,Vedic, and Chinese perspective and look for indication's of career change. If all three systems give good indication then it would give me confidence in making prediction of good career change.


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    ............... QZSY also has Zi Qi (Purple Aura) and Yue Bei (Lilith) which is not found in Vedic.

    Western has no Purple Aura, .............

    If ZWDS's Emperor star (Zi Wei) is Guo Lao's Purple Aura (Zi Qi), and then Emperor is Western's Saturn....

    Hence, Zi Qi = Zi Wei = Saturn?  ??? :o

    https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=16908.0


    edit: So Western astrology has no Purple Aura because it is known by other name "Saturn"?
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    Re: English Translation of Qi Zheng Si Yu Websites / Texts
    « Reply #54 on: September 24, 2019, 07:51:41 PM »
    Maybe these three systems work in different way/purpose.  ;D

    At least when using vedic astrology (lahiri), it works perfectly for timing (rain stop, power outage, meeting people, etc)
    Wondering who created this jyotish and nakshatra concept, maybe not a human LoL

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