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  • Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « on: May 06, 2019, 05:09:56 PM »
    Hi All,


    It is been a while that I am active again in this Forum, I am more busy studying the Basics of Body, Mind and Energy.

    Lately I was referring to a website which I found very interesting, why? Someone refers to Master Tsai??

    About 10 years ago I was active as a Beginner (still a Beginner) in WOFS. Someone had no Wood-element in their Bazi - chart. According to Five elements of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Wood could refer to the Liver-network. Without Wood-element, could mean that person has no Liver in his body, I thought.

    Ten years ago I was already scratching my head that the Bazi or Four Pillars of Destiny could be not complete, it should be more. That is one of many reasons that I switched to ZWDS.

    There should be an Advanced Bazi which should contain all Five elements in someone's chart, a weak Liver is acceptable but without a Liver?

    IMO it should be 8 Pillars of Destiny (8x8=64 more 64 helices of the DNA or 64 Hexagrams) should be a better version. Four Pillars is IMO too refined and too Simplified which could miss out many important elements.

    Simplified makes more easier to decode, but missing out the Five organs network of our body is confusion to me.

    I don't have enough time in this life to modify or improve the Current Bazi-system. I truly hope one day, younger Scholars will come up with a new Bazi-system through 3 Dimensional-Bazi model, like our Five Organs Network in 3D.

    Master Tsai had already made (or try) new steps in modern Bazi methods: the Man on the Moon first steps of Advanced Chinese Metaphysics.


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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #1 on: May 06, 2019, 09:48:26 PM »
    ..............

    IMO it should be 8 Pillars of Destiny (8x8=64 more 64 helices of the DNA or 64 Hexagrams) should be a better version. Four Pillars is IMO too refined and too Simplified which could miss out many important elements.

    ...............

    - How to plot the 4 Houses of Life, Conception, Body and Conception Aura + detailed translated article with several case studies:
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=1819.0

    - Full 8-Pillar charts of famous people: (with the additional 4 houses)
    https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=622.msg164773#msg164773 (Donald Trump)
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=70.msg19460#msg19460 (Master Xu Lewu)
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=2089.msg22296#msg22296 (Mdm Kwa Geok Choo)
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=2089.msg22555#msg22555 (Lee Kuan Yew)


    Four pillars is progressing towards a 5th pillar – A need for CM's development!
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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 08:13:29 AM »
    ArtofFugue,

    Thank you for your work here.

    We now IMO all agree that the current Bazi should improve and more being developted.

    A question: I am stuck with the concept of "Follow the Leader chart" for more than 10 years and still not agree  or be confused with it. Maybe we definately are looking foreward with 5 pillars of Destiny. It has a nice story about gang/mafia story, but I still not accept with that concept according TCM theory.

    What is your opinion about it? Thanks.

    Joey.

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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 11:44:14 PM »
    ..............
    A question: I am stuck with the concept of "Follow the Leader chart" for more than 10 years and still not agree  or be confused with it.
    .................

    If not agree, abort it.
    If not working, abandon it.

    As I dive deeper into Mangpai Bazi, I discovered Daymaster and chart category are not really important.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #4 on: May 08, 2019, 03:24:53 AM »
    ..............
    A question: I am stuck with the concept of "Follow the Leader chart" for more than 10 years and still not agree  or be confused with it.
    .................

    If not agree, abort it.
    If not working, abandon it.

    As I dive deeper into Mangpai Bazi, I discovered Daymaster and chart category are not really important.

    What you think about new lp for this chart 10 dec 1987 8 10 am,male.thank you.

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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #5 on: May 09, 2019, 09:32:08 PM »
    Hi All,


    Thanks to ArtofFugue with his wonderful work in this Forum. I feel in debt to him for his time, efforts and money, so my contribution to update my Saphora FS Calculator since 2012. Still many errors I haven’t corrected yet, using it is for your own risks.

    Yes, my Ms Office 2000 is out of date, now only through iCloud available. I still work with my Prehistoric Windows XP.

    I have added his “Special Hexagrams”. I am getting old: I can’t remember all of it.

    I have also added the Conception Theory of House Body and Life. I don’t have time to check for correction. I will update later on.



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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #6 on: May 11, 2019, 07:08:54 PM »
    Hi All,


    Thanks to ArtofFugue with his wonderful work in this Forum. I feel in debt to him for his time, efforts and money, so my contribution to update my Saphora FS Calculator since 2012. Still many errors I haven’t corrected yet, using it is for your own risks.

    Yes, my Ms Office 2000 is out of date, now only through iCloud available. I still work with my Prehistoric Windows XP.

    I have added his “Special Hexagrams”. I am getting old: I can’t remember all of it.

    I have also added the Conception Theory of House Body and Life. I don’t have time to check for correction. I will update later on.



    My simple and humble Saphora FS Calculator in Ms Excel.





    See you guys around in this fantastic Forum.

    Saphora.

    Awesome calculator, thank you!

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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #7 on: May 12, 2019, 10:45:18 PM »
    We need full 4 pillars + additional houses (Houses of Life, Conception, Body and Conception Aura) for a full, comprehensive and accurate reading. Anything less than that, throw out of the window and disregard it! Only half-baked practitioners use single pillar reading, but it will never be fully accurate. Some superficial and generic traits might be matching though as same Daymasters share similar traits.

    From geomancy.net (a professional master's opinion), I can tell those additional houses are very important.

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    Advanced Analysis 2 houses
    (ie house of life & conception)

    Many ba zi analysis done by others often never consider these two important houses, thus never produced an accurate analysis.

    Check further to see if the practitioner analyses two extra Pillars: House of Life and House of Conception are analyzed in addition to the Year, Month, Day and Time of birth. As House of Life Pillar will ultimately determine whether a person is weak or strong as shown in the two case studies below.

    On the other hand, House of Conception tells about the type of relationship for the male. And for females, in particular it relates to child birth issues and more.

    Insist on this two extra pillars if anyone claims that they do a full Ba Zi analysis for you.


    This is how a FULL Bazi chart should look like....



    « Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 10:48:40 AM by ArtofFugue »
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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #8 on: May 13, 2019, 12:23:53 PM »
    I dont know bazi , zwds or he in person but i always admire @ArtofFugue skills and knowledge and his personality in real life ( direct , honest, simple, humble, clever, details , solitude , frank )
    May heaven bless you with your kindness by always share your knowledge :)

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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #9 on: May 13, 2019, 03:16:40 PM »
    @tea .. I so agree  ;D ;)

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    Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #10 on: September 10, 2021, 05:14:47 AM »


    I agree we need to see more on the charts, and I was wondering, if all earth branches have Wood, Fire, Metal, Water and Earth, depending on the phase the earth branch is in - wouldn't that qualify as having wood even though it doesn't appear below in the Hidden Stems?

    Thanks

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    Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #11 on: September 10, 2021, 05:23:01 AM »
    [There should be an Advanced Bazi which should contain all Five elements in someone's chart, a weak Liver is acceptable but without a Liver?

    IMO it should be 8 Pillars of Destiny (8x8=64 more 64 helices of the DNA or 64 Hexagrams) should be a better version. Four Pillars is IMO too refined and too Simplified which could miss out many important elements.

    Simplified makes more easier to decode, but missing out the Five organs network of our body is confusion to me.]


    I agree we need to see more on the charts, and I was wondering, if all earth branches have Wood, Fire, Metal, Water and Earth, depending on the phase the earth branch is in - wouldn't that qualify as having an element (ex - wood)  even though that element doesn't appear below in the Hidden Stems?

    Thanks
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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #12 on: September 10, 2021, 12:38:51 PM »
    More pillars more accurate ( but depend on the master skills too )
    Hidden combination ( secret combination ) also important
    Sen sha also
    Phase also
    Na yin
    And so many things
    Related example absent of wood, then it could be happen it wasn’t absent if based on the flowing of the chart, secret combination, phase, sen sha, etc. Not yet everyday is not same day, there is hours too. But when talking about “ the head dragon in my culture term ( grand duke in chinese term ) , then must taken seriously as its commander = the beginning of the chart holder , the fruit of parents or past life and tree for the chart holder

    Hahaha i shocked after typing those above as i really know nothing about bazi , serious. I only used my PURE IMAGINATION to grasp the concept

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  • Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #13 on: September 10, 2021, 02:28:57 PM »


    I agree we need to see more on the charts, and I was wondering, if all earth branches have Wood, Fire, Metal, Water and Earth, depending on the phase the earth branch is in - wouldn't that qualify as having wood even though it doesn't appear below in the Hidden Stems?

    Thanks

    You mean from the 12 life stages/growth phases?
    This will still provide only one more phase if we decide to add it.

    There is structure. There are ways all this interact with each other. If we can't follow it in the 4 original pillars, piling more info on top of that is unlikely to help, as then there will be even more parts one will need to find the structure in.

    While that can be valid and I do use life pillar from time to time, there is a way the system utilizes and there isn't stuff missing in my humble opinion. If we can't work with the 4 pillars, adding more to it, may be too early, as a step to do.

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    Re: Master Tsai Five Pillars of Destiny
    « Reply #14 on: September 12, 2021, 12:05:15 AM »

    You mean from the 12 life stages/growth phases?


    I think so. Example:  in Rat, Wood is (stage/phase) 2 (bath/growth?); Fire is (stage/phase) 11. Although English is my native language, my Chinese Metaphysics learning has been done in a different language.





    There is structure. There are ways all this interact with each other. If we can't follow it in the 4 original pillars, piling more info on top of that is unlikely to help, as then there will be even more parts one will need to find the structure in.

    While that can be valid and I do use life pillar from time to time, there is a way the system utilizes and there isn't stuff missing in my humble opinion. If we can't work with the 4 pillars, adding more to it, may be too early, as a step to do.

    Thank you!

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