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  • What is the relationship between the nictemeral time of Chinese medicine and the Bazi times? Every two hours there is an energetic maximum in the meridians connected to the organs and viscera. The organs are yin and the viscera are yang. Here are the times
    From 1.00 to 3.00 am = liver, yin wood
    From 3.00 to 5.00 am = lungs, yin metal
    From 5.00 to 7.00 am = large intestine, yang metal
    From 7.00 to 9.00 am = stomach, yang earth
    From 9.00 to 11.00 am = spleen, yin earth
    From 11.00 am to 1.00 pm = heart, yin fire
    From 1.00 pm to 3.00 pm = small intestine, fire yang
    From 3.00 pm to 5.00 pm = urinary bladder, yang water
    From 5.00 pm to 7.00 pm = kidneys, yin water
    From 7.00 pm to 9.00 pm = minister of the heart, yin fire
    From 9.00 pm to 11.00 pm = triple heater, yang fire
    From 11.00 pm to 1.00 am = gall bladder, yang wood

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  • From what I heard, TCM people have to study basic 5 elements, right?

    I deduce it's same with Bazi's hours.
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  • My question was related to the relationship that there may be between the two times, logically it should be that the influx of qi in the meridians follows the energies in transit every two hours, but it is not so, for example at 8.00 pm there is Xu earth, while in the circulation of qi, at 8.00 pm there is the maximum influx in the meridian of the minister of the heart, which is yin fire ...

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  • Thanks.
    It is true that the Chinese calendar is not taught in most TCM schools, but the times of the energy flows in the meridians described in Chinese medicine are clinically, empirically accurate; there is in fact a diagnostic that takes into account the time in which certain symptoms occurred and there is also an acupuncture technique called "noon-midnight" which is applied precisely taking into account those times.

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  • Thanks a lot Ren, the chronoacupuncture site is very interesting! Then I study it :) I knew the Ming li tong shu site, I had signed up long ago.

    I still don't understand a thing, why in the hours  of terrestrial energies like WU, for example,  does a fire element energy circulate in the body? I was looking for an answer to this. It seems that two different flows of energy exist in parallel throughout the day. There is something that escapes me, because we have studied that one of the functions of the meridians in our body is precisely to connect us with the celestial and terrestrial energies...

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  • In fact, I had the feeling that my question was not understood, but it was probably I who did not quite understand the matter of the daily hours in the bazi. Sorry ...
    I try to explain myself better.
    The qi in the 24 hours circulates in the body through the meridians, every two hours there is the maximum influx of energy of a yin organ or a yang viscera. To the organs and viscera, the so-called Zang-Fu correspond the five elements elements, so for example from 5pm to 7 pm we have the qi of the kidneys which is at its maximum, the element that corresponds to it is water- (winter), but the daily transits that we consider in the Bazi follow other otherwise, the time of 6pm in the terrestrial branches is always metal rooster.

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  • Maybe we should also consider that also speaks of the six energy levels? The Yin and Yang Meridians are associated with each other and therefore form three Yang levels and three Yin levels as indicated in the table.
    The term "Tai" means "maximum, very large, adult", "Shao" indicates "small, intermediate, young", "Jue" indicates "minimum, old".

    The energy in the three situations is therefore an energy that matures and deepens as one passes from the Tai Yang level to the Jue Yin level.According to the theory of the six energy levels, energy (Qi) circulates in the body from the level more superficial (Tai Yang) to the deepest level (Jue Yin):

    the Tai Yang level (the most external) is the level at which we come into contact with external energy and from which perverse energies also penetrate (Xie Qi)
    the Jue Yin level (the deepest) is the level that represents the innermost vital area of ​​the organism, in which contacts with the outside (with perverse energies) must be prevented
    Depending on the level, the vital energy will tend to:

    flow outside (Tai Yang, Tai Yin)
    move on a "hinge" inwards and outwards (Shao Yang and Shao Yin)
    flow inwards (Yang Ming, Jue Yin)


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