Is this a weak or strong DM (no time info)?

[ginginmeow]

Hi experts.

is this a weak or strong DM? No time info available though.
chart belongs to a female.

does the hai hai self punishment affect marriage?

[Gmuli]

Hi experts.

is this a weak or strong DM? No time info available though.
chart belongs to a female.

does the hai hai self punishment affect marriage?

Hmm... In theory it should be very good chart for marriage/relationship, if the hour doesn't mess it up.
But that is in theory, I wonder in practice...
1979 is enough to have some events going on... I would guess it was stable, but its good to see if that rules hold(that Hai is still representing the DM).

So do we know her life, was her marriage stable?

[ginginmeow]

Thanks for the advice.
What is with 1979? That is the year of birth.
Marriage - in reality it’s not great. Married with kids but in another relationship with a married man.

I guess without the time there is nothing much to read?
Can we tell if dm is weak or strong without time info?

[Gmuli]

We can read without time, but can't be entirely sure of anything. : )
DM is not strong. But I don't separate them to weak/strong, just acknowledged if its overly strong or weak, as then it does matter. But in cases like this(produces by the stem next to it, but standing on water) it won't be very helpful.

Is her husband older then her or from another country?

[ginginmeow]

Thanks! What do you mean by produces by the stem next to it and standing on water?
Husband is same age and from the same country.
Believe in theory this looks like a good chart for marriage because of the DO sitting in spouse place and supported by the DR?

[Gmuli]

Thanks! What do you mean by produces by the stem next to it and standing on water?
Husband is same age and from the same country.
Believe in theory this looks like a good chart for marriage because of the DO sitting in spouse place and supported by the DR?

DM is fire(Ding).
Yi in the month produces the DM(Ding) as Wood produce Fire. Same polarity so not perfect, but its still there.
Yet the branch that the DM is standing on is Water.

And water controls fire, so she is standing on water, so its like a fire burning on a petrol spilled in the ocean. Its very out of place and its only a matter of time before its gone.


Do she know her husband from very early years and was introduced by a family member?
I'm trying to figure out the hour, but also how things went so far. : )

Stable marriage because Hai makes an "arc" with Wei, meaning its Wood combination, only the wood is missing. (Hai<>Mao<>Wei). So her spouse Palace combines with Wei and Wei can be the Spouse representation.


Why problems in marriage...  this 10 year LP Mao comes and takes the whole combination with spouse away.

Is her husband very solid guy(like physically heavy or strong etc)?

[ginginmeow]

Thanks for spending time on this. I am also trying to figure out the time lol.

Husband is ex school mate - they knew each other at a young age ( 17 years old. )

Husband is quite skinny / scrawny.

Current LP will form hai Mao Wei = wood. Meaning this remove spouse element water?

There are two DO in the chart - does that mean 2 marriages?

[Gmuli]

Thanks for spending time on this. I am also trying to figure out the time lol.

Husband is ex school mate - they knew each other at a young age ( 17 years old. )

Husband is quite skinny / scrawny.

Current LP will form hai Mao Wei = wood. Meaning this remove spouse element water?

There are two DO in the chart - does that mean 2 marriages?

Happy to help, also to learn some more in the process. : )


There are 2 Officers, true. But  Hai officer is in her Day Branch. So this is what is going on inside of her, can't be another male.
The second Hai, depending on the rules we use, may be extension of the first one. So people around her she sees through what is inside her. Can that be another male... It could, yea, although I was aiming at Wei representing the spouse.

But since all this combines with each other, all shares its Images, so could be either. They know each other since very young(year pillar is 1-18 years), so he may indeed be Wei. In some cases Output can play a role as spouse. It is Officer when possible, but in this case, may be Wei.

Why not solid, well, with so much combining with Wei, we doesn't have clear Images now, also the reason he isn't older. That may be one indication Wei may combine with Hour Pillar as well, so it takes Images of Younger too, otherwise would expect him to be at least a little older. So Hour Pillar could be Wu or Mao.

Second hai is 18-35.
So if she started the relationship before 18 and is still in it, that means the other Hai doesn't show another marriage.
If there are more it may be related to whatever is in the hour or to be from the LP like the Mao there now.
But I don't think this Mao alone would end the marriage, if the marriage ends now it means the Hour may have played a role in it, in my humble opinion. : )

Basically we look at Images. For example the year Pillar - someone older or from another country. But combination can mean that images are shared, so now Wei also has images of someone in similar age from the month and day.
Yet that should add up to still a little older, just not much. So if he is same age, meaning that year pillar likely combines with Hour Pillar too and here we get to Wu and Mao possibility for hour pillar(or another Hai).

[ginginmeow]

Wow.. I have to read your post a few times to make sure I understand. Still a noob on this.
If hour could possibly be wu, Mao or hai, does it make sense to check if there is children element under these 3?
Seems like only Wu has an output star of EG while the other 2 has none.
Can we read it like that?
 
Anyway wu + Wei = fire => that  combination can constitute it to be the spouse element?

[Gmuli]

Wow.. I have to read your post a few times to make sure I understand. Still a noob on this.
If hour could possibly be wu, Mao or hai, does it make sense to check if there is children element under these 3?
Seems like only Wu has an output star of EG while the other 2 has none.
Can we read it like that?
 
Anyway wu + Wei = fire => that  combination can constitute it to be the spouse element?

I can recommend Puppylove old posts. This is blindstyle, it isn't traditional, we enjoy it around the forum(at least we use to, I'm not as much here lately, so not sure now).

The idea is that Wei if it shows the spouse should be older, as everything in the year pillar has images of older/far away/stretching out/early.
But if Wei combines it gets Images of whatever it combines with.

Wei combines with Hai, so now Wei isn't as older. And it isn't as far. As it also carries Images from the Month Pillar, of something close/local and near.

The idea about Wu in the hour is that Wu and Wei combination would explain why he isn't older. As Hour Pillar has Images of Younger. So Wei carries Images of Old(from the year pillar), Wu can carry Images of young(from the Hour Pillar) if they combine both end up on Wei and now he is same age.

Kids doesn't have to be always Output, whatever is in the hour will often represent the persons kids, if its Output its much more clear, but it can be many other representations. : )

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[ginginmeow]

Hi Gmuli,

this is very interesting. I have not read about this but will do so now.

Hi Ren,

Person is still married but in an extra-marital affair with a married male. 2 kids. Married in 2009 and still married.

[marsboy]

if this female chart, she's sitting on husband star which is supposedly good. but being born in Hai month (winter) mean water is her taboo god (something she don't need). since her husband palace is Hai, then marriage is not good.

[marsboy]

like you said, it's obvious there's a self punishment. meaning before age 35, whoever she met, she will feel is not the ideal partner. if she married before 35, will feel husband not "ideal". no wonder she went out and have affair. self punishment as the namesake implies, something she did to herself. she herself was not satisfy.