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  • Re: Looks like Cai Guan Yin chart but with miserable life
    « Reply #15 on: November 16, 2022, 05:07:05 AM »
    - Some sources say that really strong resource make depently person.

    - mother passed away (father in younger age), inheritances were for sale (maybe because like you said, earth basically dead so there is no creativity and ability to manage them and work), because of surgery he had to selling his house, and then moving from place to the other place in relatives or friends house, all these happened just during 3 years time when entered LP Jia Chen. Bad things happened but there are always help come.




    Yes, abundant resource (wood) is further strengthened by a powerful seasonal combo Yin-Mao-Chen. Your earth is basically dead in terms of elemental balance. Earth = your effort and property/immovable asset.

    If extremely strong wood is indeed your problem, your financial condition may improve during autumn LP (age 66 onward) where metal is prosperous and wood is under control: https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&y=1987&m=1&d=18&h=8%3A09&g=8&l=124.8421&lt=1.4748&city1=124.8421%7Cmanado
     
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    - How exactly did you lose your wealth? Did you try to work with your inheritance instead of just living off it?
    - Do you have a career or work with your relatives?

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  • Re: Looks like Cai Guan Yin chart but with miserable life
    « Reply #16 on: November 16, 2022, 05:25:35 AM »
    I apologize if my words offended you, i dont meant it to be. I think it is about culture difference matter, i'm bachelor of law degree so arguing is our habbit with a brave to speak up, we have to argue in something confusing like this where there are difference sources we talk to have the truth. 🙏

    I really appreciate your answers and try to know about your point of view, so i need to ask question from your answer, like why fire in winter ox is considered strong...?

    I have Chinese friend, i will discuss about the pictures you showed to me, thank you 🙏

    Following are excerpts from <<穷通宝鉴>>, one of the 4 authoritative books on BaZi originating in Ming Dynasty.

    First screenshot states that a Daymaster born in winter Chou month is considered strong, with adequate Wood in the Terrestrial Branches. Yin-Mao-Chen combination transforms the Branches into an environment of abundant Wood.

    Second screenshot informs us that when Si Fire appears in the Branches, it is counted as Bing Fire element. So in this case, Si fire is RW.

    If you can't read Chinese, you can verify these excerpts with someone who knows. I don't agree with your passive-aggressive attitude and trying to insinuate insults at people who have different views from you. It is very obvious, and frankly quite childish. People come here with problems and doubts to clarify, you can do better and choose to help them instead.

    When you have credible and valid knowledge to share, please feel free to discuss it like a mature person. Otherwise, throwing hidden insults is not beneficial to anyone.
    « Last Edit: November 16, 2022, 05:46:28 AM by Kirocky18 »

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  • Re: Looks like Cai Guan Yin chart but with miserable life
    « Reply #17 on: November 16, 2022, 07:04:14 AM »
    I apologize if my words offended you, i dont meant it to be. I think it is about culture difference matter, i'm bachelor of law degree so arguing is our habbit with a brave to speak up, we have to argue in something confusing like this where there are difference sources we talk to have the truth. But i understand why you gonna be rude...🙏

    I really appreciate your answers and try to know about your point of view, so i need to ask question from your answer, like why fire in winter ox is considered strong...?

    I think i know what kind of rob wealth you mean, some masters say that if there is friend element side to side with wealth element and if day master is weak then the friend element can rob that wealth element.

    I have Chinese friend, i will discuss about the pictures you showed to me, thank you 🙏

    Following are excerpts from <<穷通宝鉴>>, one of the 4 authoritative books on BaZi originating in Ming Dynasty.

    First screenshot states that a Daymaster born in winter Chou month is considered strong, with adequate Wood in the Terrestrial Branches. Yin-Mao-Chen combination transforms the Branches into an environment of abundant Wood.

    Second screenshot informs us that when Si Fire appears in the Branches, it is counted as Bing Fire element. So in this case, Si fire is RW.

    If you can't read Chinese, you can verify these excerpts with someone who knows. I don't agree with your passive-aggressive attitude and trying to insinuate insults at people who have different views from you. It is very obvious, and frankly quite childish. People come here with problems and doubts to clarify, you can do better and choose to help them instead.

    When you have credible and valid knowledge to share, please feel free to discuss it like a mature person. Otherwise, throwing hidden insults is not beneficial to anyone.

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  • Re: Looks like Cai Guan Yin chart but with miserable life
    « Reply #18 on: November 16, 2022, 03:56:39 PM »
    - Male
    - Date of birth : 18 January 1987
    - Time of birth : 08:09 am
    - City of birth : Manado, ndonesia
    - Gmt +8
    - Longitude : 124.60820179999996

    Before 2012 have inheritances, some lands, from influential family, get respect from people, and fame in the neighborhood. But lost everything when entered Jia Chen LP as Fu Yin also with Fan Yin AP.
    May some masters say something to this chart...? Thank you before masters...🙏

    There is no lure of water element in the heaven stem, the Gui water inside the chou didnt get activated.
    The destruction of Chou-Chen is not strong enough to release the Gui water inside the chou. Thus, the water
    is not strong enough to guide the Bing Xin transforming into water. The Bing-Xin combined but never transformed.

    This resulted into strong chart. For a strong chart, you dont want resources but now the daymaster entered negative
    Jia Chen LP and fu yin with the hour stem. Very bad. There is a double set of Mao Chen harm in this fu yin and this involve
    the spouse palace, dont put too much expectation on relationship. Harm is about betrayal.

    ============================================================

    If the Bing Xin really transformed, then the chart is a weak fire. Then Jia Chen is a positive fuyin.
    Entering Jia Chen LP should be a very smooth sailing. But the reality is that the Gui inside the Chou
    is not strong enough to guide the transform of Bing Xin.

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  • Re: Looks like Cai Guan Yin chart but with miserable life
    « Reply #19 on: November 16, 2022, 04:17:28 PM »
    Make sense that bing xin don't transform to water, and maybe that's why before fu yin LP life is great because there was presence of strong water, am i correct?

    So do you mean that the day master is strong even not in season and there is no root...?
    Thank you very much about your explanation... 🙏

    - Male
    - Date of birth : 18 January 1987
    - Time of birth : 08:09 am
    - City of birth : Manado, ndonesia
    - Gmt +8
    - Longitude : 124.60820179999996

    Before 2012 have inheritances, some lands, from influential family, get respect from people, and fame in the neighborhood. But lost everything when entered Jia Chen LP as Fu Yin also with Fan Yin AP.
    May some masters say something to this chart...? Thank you before masters...🙏

    There is no lure of water element in the heaven stem, the Gui water inside the chou didnt get activated.
    The destruction of Chou-Chen is not strong enough to release the Gui water inside the chou. Thus, the water
    is not strong enough to guide the Bing Xin transforming into water. The Bing-Xin combined but never transformed.

    This resulted into strong chart. For a strong chart, you dont want resources but now the daymaster entered negative
    Jia Chen LP and fu yin with the hour stem. Very bad. There is a double set of Mao Chen harm in this fu yin and this involve
    the spouse palace, dont put too much expectation on relationship. Harm is about betrayal.

    ============================================================

    If the Bing Xin really transformed, then the chart is a weak fire. Then Jia Chen is a positive fuyin.
    Entering Jia Chen LP should be a very smooth sailing. But the reality is that the Gui inside the Chou
    is not strong enough to guide the transform of Bing Xin.
    « Last Edit: November 16, 2022, 04:28:14 PM by Kirocky18 »

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  • Re: Looks like Cai Guan Yin chart but with miserable life
    « Reply #20 on: November 16, 2022, 06:55:19 PM »
    In the natal chart, the position of Chou and Chen is separated by the Mao, this destruction of Chen-Chou is
    not strong enough to release the Gui water inside the Chou. So Bing Xin combined but never transformed
    in the very first place. So, yes this Ding is a strong daymaster even though Ding is not born in season.

    So in the natal chart, this Ding is a strong daymaster and Xin is a favorable wealth element and you dont
    want Bing come to combine this Xin metal because the end product is water officer which is used to birth
    the negative Jia wood resources. When the negative Jia resource is very strong, you become very miserable.
    Negative resource is discomfort.
    ==================================================================

    In the natal chart, the internal season of Chou is not strong enough to active Gui water. So no transformation of Bing Xin happened.
    During Ren Yin LP and Gui Mao LP, the Yin wood contain no water and the Mao wood also contain no water. Even Ren and Gui represent
    water and protrude in heaven stem, it is not strong enough to active the Gui inside the Chou. To access the elements inside the earth,
    you need to do something to the earth. You can access the elements inside the earth either through clash, harm or destruction.

    For Ren Yin LP, Bing Xin combined but never transformed.
    For Gui Mao LP, Bing Xin combined but never transformed.

    When come the Jia Chen LP, the destruction of Chou from the natal chart with the Chen from the LP happened.
    This Chou-Chen destruction is strong enough to release the Gui water both inside the Chou and Chen and when
    this happened, Bing combined with Xin and both transformed into Water and this Water is used to birth the
    negative Jia wood resources. This Bing Xin transformation is very bad because it used to strengthen the negative
    Jia wood. The favorable element of Xin indirect wealth is gone and give miserable life to daymaster through the
    negative resources.

    Put it in another scenario , this Xin favorable indirect wealth can represent the woman that daymaster loved but
    in Jia Chen LP, this Bing Xin transformed succeeded. That means his friend can snatch the woman that daymaster
    loved. This Bing Xin transformation can also indicated that daymaster will lose money since the wealth is being combine
    away by the negative Bing (negative self-star, bad companion). Possibly daymaster will lose money through partnership
    as the companion attempt to harm daymaster through the double set of Mao-Chen harms.

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  • Re: Looks like Cai Guan Yin chart but with miserable life
    « Reply #21 on: November 16, 2022, 07:51:54 PM »
    Thank you for your long explanation 🙏

    May i know how do you determine day master strength...?

    Do you mean that LP before Jia Che give good result because of wood contains no water and in this Fu Yin the wood receive water...? If it is true, i still dont understand about how come wood element contains no water in a LP with lot of water while in Fu Yin they recieve more water.

    I doubt if his woman will be snatched, actually he is the person who snatch other woman, he had some relationships with other wifes and snatched other girlfriends, i think it is because of bing xin as a combination and day master want to prevent them to be combine even though at the end rob wealth will get back his woman because xin is for bing and geng is for ding, also i heard that bing cannot melt metal it is ding can. This chart lack of DW, that's why difficult for him to get his own girl, it is just what i see.

    In the natal chart, the position of Chou and Chen is separated by the Mao, this destruction of Chen-Chou is
    not strong enough to release the Gui water inside the Chou. So Bing Xin combined but never transformed
    in the very first place. So, yes this Ding is a strong daymaster even though Ding is not born in season.

    So in the natal chart, this Ding is a strong daymaster and Xin is a favorable wealth element and you dont
    want Bing come to combine this Xin metal because the end product is water officer which is used to birth
    the negative Jia wood resources. When the negative Jia resource is very strong, you become very miserable.
    Negative resource is discomfort.
    ==================================================================

    In the natal chart, the internal season of Chou is not strong enough to active Gui water. So no transformation of Bing Xin happened.
    During Ren Yin LP and Gui Mao LP, the Yin wood contain no water and the Mao wood also contain no water. Even Ren and Gui represent
    water and protrude in heaven stem, it is not strong enough to active the Gui inside the Chou. To access the elements inside the earth,
    you need to do something to the earth. You can access the elements inside the earth either through clash, harm or destruction.

    For Ren Yin LP, Bing Xin combined but never transformed.
    For Gui Mao LP, Bing Xin combined but never transformed.

    When come the Jia Chen LP, the destruction of Chou from the natal chart with the Chen from the LP happened.
    This Chou-Chen destruction is strong enough to release the Gui water both inside the Chou and Chen and when
    this happened, Bing combined with Xin and both transformed into Water and this Water is used to birth the
    negative Jia wood resources. This Bing Xin transformation is very bad because it used to strengthen the negative
    Jia wood. The favorable element of Xin indirect wealth is gone and give miserable life to daymaster through the
    negative resources.

    Put it in another scenario , this Xin favorable indirect wealth can represent the woman that daymaster loved but
    in Jia Chen LP, this Bing Xin transformed succeeded. That means his friend can snatch the woman that daymaster
    loved. This Bing Xin transformation can also indicated that daymaster will lose money since the wealth is being combine
    away by the negative Bing (negative self-star, bad companion). Possibly daymaster will lose money through partnership
    as the companion attempt to harm daymaster through the double set of Mao-Chen harms.
    « Last Edit: November 16, 2022, 07:53:47 PM by Kirocky18 »

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  • Re: Looks like Cai Guan Yin chart but with miserable life
    « Reply #22 on: November 16, 2022, 08:17:35 PM »
    Thank you for your long explanation 🙏

    May i know how do you determine day master strength...?

    Do you mean that LP before Jia Che give good result because of wood contains no water and in this Fu Yin the wood receive water...? If it is true, i still dont understand about how come wood element contains no water in a LP with lot of water while in Fu Yin they recieve more water.

    [/quote]

    Question: May i know how do you determine day master strength...?
    Answer: Different school has different thoughts on determining the daymaster strength so there is no general consensus on how the daymaster strength should be determine.
    We need to consider how the harm, clash and destruction deal with the season so it is a very complicated process.

    Question: Do you mean that LP before Jia Che give good result because of wood contains no water and in this Fu Yin the wood receive water...? If it is true, i still don't understand about how come wood element contains no water in a LP with lot of water while in Fu Yin they receive more water.

    Answer: In the natal chart, Yin Mao Chen is a wood frame but did not transform into wood because this internal season of Chou is earth season.
    When entering the Ren Yin LP and Gui Mao LP, this natal element of Yin Mao Chen transformed into wood elements because it is supported by external season Ren Yin LP and Gui Mao LP. We know that wood is very bad and all the wood element accumulated in Jia wood in heaven stem in hour pillar. The good news is that the negative wood energy can discharge through the negative bing fire because we know that Bing Xin not yet transformed during Ren Yin LP and Gui Mao LP. As long as the negative wood energy can be discharge, it give no problem to daymaster.

    When entering the Jia Chen LP, Yin Mao Chen from natal chart transformed into wood due to external season of Jia Chen and remained. But right now, the negative Bing fire is gone due to Bing Xin transformation. The chart become very imbalance because the negative wood energy have no place to discharge but instead is further fueled by the Bing Xin water elements. This Bing Xin transformation is used to strengthen the negative wood energy and this is negative fu-yin, double the effect of negative wood. It can result into death when the chart become very imbalance.
    Everything become upside down when entering Jia Chen LP, this is due to the Bing Xin water strengthening the Jia wood which is further supported by the Yin Mao Chen double wood frame.
    The negative wood energy have no place to discharge and thus injured the daymaster.

    When entering Yi Si LP, the external season of Si fire will break loose the transformation of Bing Xin and also the wood frame of Yin Mao Chen. Daymaster will feel relief and much better in
    Yi Si LP.
    « Last Edit: November 16, 2022, 08:25:05 PM by qingfantasy »

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    « Reply #23 on: November 16, 2022, 08:32:54 PM »
    I think so, there are variety to determine the day master strength.

    Thank you very much, you explain it very clear to me acedemically, i like it.
    I think you study well in bazi...

    Once again i thank to you, i have lot of knowledge from you  🙏
    Thank you for your long explanation 🙏

    May i know how do you determine day master strength...?

    Do you mean that LP before Jia Che give good result because of wood contains no water and in this Fu Yin the wood receive water...? If it is true, i still dont understand about how come wood element contains no water in a LP with lot of water while in Fu Yin they recieve more water.


    Question: May i know how do you determine day master strength...?
    Answer: Different school has different thoughts on determining the daymaster strength so there is no general consensus on how the daymaster strength should be determine.
    We need to consider how the harm, clash and destruction deal with the season so it is a very complicated process.

    Question: Do you mean that LP before Jia Che give good result because of wood contains no water and in this Fu Yin the wood receive water...? If it is true, i still don't understand about how come wood element contains no water in a LP with lot of water while in Fu Yin they receive more water.

    Answer: In the natal chart, Yin Mao Chen is a wood frame but did not transform into wood because this internal season of Chou is earth season.
    When entering the Ren Yin LP and Gui Mao LP, this natal element of Yin Mao Chen transformed into wood elements because it is supported by external season Ren Yin LP and Gui Mao LP. We know that wood is very bad and all the wood element accumulated in Jia wood in heaven stem in hour pillar. The good news is that the negative wood energy can discharge through the negative bing fire because we know that Bing Xin not yet transformed during Ren Yin LP and Gui Mao LP. As long as the negative wood energy can be discharge, it give no problem to daymaster.

    When entering the Jia Chen LP, Yin Mao Chen from natal chart transformed into wood due to external season of Jia Chen and remained. But right now, the negative Bing fire is gone due to Bing Xin transformation. The chart become very imbalance because the negative wood energy have no place to discharge but instead is further fueled by the Bing Xin water elements. This Bing Xin transformation is used to strengthen the negative wood energy and this is negative fu-yin, double the effect of negative wood. It can result into death when the chart become very imbalance.
    Everything become upside down when entering Jia Chen LP, this is due to the Bing Xin water strengthening the Jia wood which is further supported by the Yin Mao Chen double wood frame.
    The negative wood energy have no place to displace and thus injured the daymaster.

    When entering Yi Si LP, the external season of Si fire will break loose the transformation of Bing Xin and also the wood frame of Yin Mao Chen. Daymaster will feel relief and much better in
    Yi Si LP.
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    « Reply #24 on: November 18, 2022, 07:22:16 PM »
    I recently visit treybazi blogspot, i found something interesting that there is classic state true transformation if meet Chen dragon. So you probably correct, bing xin in this chart transform and the wealth structure change to officer, so the wealth gone.
    Following are excerpts from <<穷通宝鉴>>, one of the 4 authoritative books on BaZi originating in Ming Dynasty.

    First screenshot states that a Daymaster born in winter Chou month is considered strong, with adequate Wood in the Terrestrial Branches. Yin-Mao-Chen combination transforms the Branches into an environment of abundant Wood.

    Second screenshot informs us that when Si Fire appears in the Branches, it is counted as Bing Fire element. So in this case, Si fire is RW.

    If you can't read Chinese, you can verify these excerpts with someone who knows. I don't agree with your passive-aggressive attitude and trying to insinuate insults at people who have different views from you. It is very obvious, and frankly quite childish. People come here with problems and doubts to clarify, you can do better and choose to help them instead.

    When you have credible and valid knowledge to share, please feel free to discuss it like a mature person. Otherwise, throwing hidden insults is not beneficial to anyone.

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