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Chinese Five Arts => 3. Art of Life (Birthchart Analysis) => Zi Wei Dou Shu (ZWDS) 紫微斗数 => Topic started by: ArtofFugue on March 06, 2015, 03:38:27 PM

Title: ZWDS case study: Jay Chou
Post by: ArtofFugue on March 06, 2015, 03:38:27 PM
Jay Chou (18 Jan 1979), case study by ArtofFugue (some workings are shown for purpose of case study)

*Source of birth hour as provided by a ZWDS practitioner

(http://fivearts.info/fivearts/FileServer/?file=artoffugue/59b8b9272ac9c1505278247a89bed9.jpg)

General overview – a difficult start:
The main stars in Life palace Crimson + Pioneer + Happiness from Heaven + Left Hand denotes an individual who is artistic, has good ren yuan, attractive to opposite sex, has tao hua, strong sexual needs, values privacy but also aggressive, career-minded and a rebel. Heavenly Intelligence shining from opposite palace says of a extremely intelligent and talented individual beyond the average intelligence. Crimson + Pioneer combo is not good, his early childhood to youth would be difficult, full of hardships and few/no success. Death lifestage is not good for this palace too, there is lack of opportunities for progress and lack of vitality in a person, which might account for his dead-pan look on his face in photos of his younger self. His health when young is also poor too.

Messy domestic climate:
Opportunity of Heaven Hua Ji + Scholar + Spinning Top combo influencing Parents palace denotes negative changes, upheavals and incompatibilities between parents themselves. Person is not close with parents. I would almost think that he is closer to his father due to bright Sun and dark Moon but on closer look, Sun’s Hua Ji to Property palace and Hua Lu self-enhances (his father is the antagonist at home and only cares about himself), while Moon’s Hua Lu fly to Career (his mother is supportive of Jay’s career). Also note that Moon Hua Quan in Property palace, this shows that he is closer to his mother and his mother is the sole breadwinner at home. Waif + Ram in Property Palace denotes a messy domestic climate in his early years marked by upheavels. Ram also represents injuries and physical violence at home.

Rose to stardom in 2000:
2000–2009 is his 1st “Golden decade”, and in san he view, the stars are good and bright; Treasury Vault + Completion speaks of excellent career luck and wealth luck. Decade Life palace fly Hua Lu + Hua Quan to main chart Property palace (which also represents his bank account), implying wealth gain into his own pocket and him taking the breadwinner role at home. Right Hand Hua Ke shining from opposite palace brings fame and popularity.

Glorious decade path:
Normally people will have 1 or 2 “Golden decade” along their decade path but Jay Chou has 4 such great decades (2000–2049) in a row somemore! However due to something I saw, from this decade onwards 2010–2019 I would advise him to better change role in career to be “幕后” (behind-the-scenes) kind of roles. After this decade, it is not advisable to be basking in the limelight. Another si hua formation shows he would gain wealth in non-movable assets and I read from reports he already have been involved in the property market. While at it, he should be careful not to lose big due to petty gains or scams, si hua shows such likelihoods.

Marriage in 2014*:
Si hua flight paths in main chart indicates marriage is likely to be early in life; before middle age. Decade Offspring palace’s Hua Ke fly to main chart Life palace’s SFSZ indicates likelihood of romance/marriage in this decade 2010–2019. As Hua Ke fly into main chart Wealth palace plus meeting birth Hua Ke, the romance/marriage involves alot of money, much more than your average wedding – which could account for the lavish overseas wedding we saw. From another point of view I do hope it is true love, not for his wealth. Before the actual event, I predicted it would take place in 2011, 2015 and 2017. Star combo in Spouse palace indicates it was a love-at-first-sight, his spouse is from a different family background and different career from Jay Chou. Jay Chou’s chart also showed he is a “prospers wife” person.
*before chinese new year is still considered as last year

Foresee marriage problems:
After marriage, affinity with spouse will grow weaker, incompatibilies are likely to surface later into the marriage while Jay Chou’s romance luck will grow greater after marriage; prone to infidelity. Si hua method shows both parties have likelihoods to commit infidelity but Jay Chou has more tendencies.

Foresee health problems:
His main chart configuration shows he has poor health since young and will have health problems plaguing him for life. The most glaring part is Opportunity of Heaven Hua Ji in Health palace denote health problems related to spine/brain/limbs/liver which also draw parallels with his diagnosed and reported health problems related to spine (ie; spine inflammation disease). He should be careful of major/severe health problems occuring in/from Ox and Horse years, and in next decade 2020–2029. Offspring palace (represents sex life) also revealed potential difficulty to have offspring. I would advise him to go for medical checkups regularly as his chart also shows potential of getting illnesses/diseases which are slowly developing and long-standing.


*I no longer do death year predictions for anyone still living, including myself.
Title: Re: ZWDS case study: Jay Chou
Post by: Kevin Chan on March 06, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
apology for noobness but how to you see the time of birth from a ZW chart ?
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Post by: ArtofFugue on March 06, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
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Post by: hokyau on March 06, 2015, 05:28:43 PM
thank you for sharing :) I remember reading somewhere you build the chart by hand & I'll bet you drew that chart too. Now I gotta go search your other posts to look for the glossary ;)

Title: Re: ZWDS case study: Jay Chou
Post by: ZhouYu on March 06, 2015, 05:38:40 PM
Thanks Fugue 兄. Good case study for us learners.

Also I was always curious how you define a golden decade, and you gave some answers here. Not one of my priorities, so I never asked :)

In the previous 5arts forum, I asked for a reading for a friend and some kind expert said next decade is golden decade because "no clashes", so I thought as long as no clashes, that person would be in golden decade. When I read one of your earlier posts here, I noticed golden decade refers to certain palaces only. So this explains.
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Post by: ArtofFugue on March 06, 2015, 06:26:01 PM
Thanks Fugue 兄. Good case study for us learners.

Also I was always curious how you define a golden decade, and you gave some answers here. Not one of my priorities, so I never asked :)

In the previous 5arts forum, I asked for a reading for a friend and some kind expert said next decade is golden decade because "no clashes", so I thought as long as no clashes, that person would be in golden decade. When I read one of your earlier posts here, I noticed golden decade refers to certain palaces only. So this explains.

Maybe other sects have their own methods of determining "Golden decades"? Each to their own.


edit: Just to share with you...... Initially when I first started learning si hua method, I wasn't aware of the different si hua sects....until one day, I noticed from my own chart, "palace A's Hua Lu fly to palace B" means something totally different in another sect.
Title: Re: ZWDS case study: Jay Chou
Post by: ArtofFugue on March 06, 2015, 06:29:13 PM
thank you for sharing :) I remember reading somewhere you build the chart by hand & I'll bet you drew that chart too. Now I gotta go search your other posts to look for the glossary ;)

When I first started learning ZWDS, I really drew the charts by hand and pen on paper, later jot the interpretations on paper too. Querents feedbacked my handwriting is like doctor's. So now I switched to MS Word.
Title: Re: ZWDS case study: Jay Chou
Post by: ZhouYu on March 06, 2015, 07:55:24 PM
Thanks again Fugue 兄.

That person did not mention and I did not ask further. I didn't know so many different sects at that time.

I can see aoefengshui Master's (Jin Tian Men sect) interpretation of Hua Lu and Hua Ji is different from the Master Wyson book I read. His resources are the most I could find freely available, so I'm following his, plus a bit of San He. I'm more of a hobbyist than a practitioner. Been reading his responses over here the last few nites, very informative. If I could remember everything he responded, I'd be much better than now.

I noticed you use 4 hua to determine Jay's relationship. Good to know, since you've mentioned before San He gives what 4 Hua doesn't and vice-versa. After that you've also mention both can achieve the same results. Is it easier to see an event with 4 Hua while 3 He needs more efforts?
Title: Re: ZWDS case study: Jay Chou
Post by: ArtofFugue on March 06, 2015, 08:01:55 PM
@ZhouYu My experience is both san he and si hua will somewhere draw parallels or even arrive at same interpretation most of the times.

For some times they don't agree, I would trust san he more.

edit: both will take some effort.
Title: Re: ZWDS case study: Jay Chou
Post by: ZhouYu on March 06, 2015, 08:45:08 PM
Ok Fugue 兄. Taken note. I just don't know how to find out events (like Master aoefengshui use self hua) with 3 He. I sort of use 3 He for Life chart only. But then I don't know how 1 star affect another in the triangle palaces. Wait till I get Master Lim's Empyrean Matrix then I see how.

And a minor correction for my "hobbyist" statement. Hobbyist for 10 palaces, and extreme interest to figure out how to fix my 2 broken palaces :)
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Post by: ZhouYu on March 06, 2015, 11:12:19 PM
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Post by: ArtofFugue on March 06, 2015, 11:39:04 PM
@ZhouYu As you're using another sect's method, I would not be in a position to correct you. But your analysis is interesting.
Title: Re: ZWDS case study: Jay Chou
Post by: ZhouYu on March 06, 2015, 11:48:55 PM
No worries Fugue 兄. Some could just be coincidence. I would have more confidence if I could get some 高人's 真傳 :)
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Post by: ArtofFugue on October 23, 2016, 08:22:08 PM
@ZhouYu : Thank you for sharing your analysis. Nice to read.

But at 888 pts, are you able to read your own message? Normally I won't set criteria higher than 200.
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Post by: Stars on October 23, 2016, 09:00:20 PM
I like Jay Chou music especially 七里香。His new songs are not as good as his earlier songs.
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Post by: flawlesflower on July 15, 2018, 09:48:51 AM
What do you think about upcoming decade from 42-51 ??

Decade with Tian Kong
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Post by: blackswan on July 15, 2018, 01:19:55 PM
Thanks for doing this, interesting.