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  • San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « on: April 12, 2017, 11:48:08 PM »
     ArtofFugue .. Axis.  All Hi

    I Want your opinion about a confusing matter for me ..!!
    It is about the triangle combination of earthly branches in an Hexagram .. in Wen Wang Gua.
    Raymond Lo in his book  : I  Ching divination for feng shui and destiny... has four categories that triangle connection is formed ..! !
    Others use just one or two ..
    But which is accurate for divination ??
    Thanks anyway ..
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    Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « Reply #3 on: April 13, 2017, 04:36:49 PM »
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    ...in Wen Wang Gua.
    Raymond Lo in his book  : I  Ching divination for feng shui and destiny... has four categories that triangle connection is formed . ..

    Voglee,


    Can you post examples of the four categories?

     Thanks,

    ren
    Hi dear Ren .. All

    Raymond Lo in his book recommend 5 categories :
    1. Triangular connection is formed if there are 3 branches that fulfilling this connection but two of them are with the same branch of the month and day. further 1 of the 3 branch lines must be moving...
    2. Triangular connection is formed if the 1st and 3d lines are moving and are 2 parts of triangle (in the hexagram) and one of  their changed branch line forming the 3d part of triangle.
    3. Triangular connection is formed just the same as 2 ... but this being happen in 4th and 6th line.
    4. Triangular connection is formed if thre are 4 branches in en Hexagram .. 3 of them forming triangle, the extra branch is the same by one of the triangle .. and must connect by another line that neutralize it.
    5. When a Triangular connection is formed but one of the 3 branches in the Hexagram is void .. then this connection cannot happen .

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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 11:32:47 AM »
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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 05:43:34 PM »

    In my humble opinion(I would say "humble experience", but I'm not sure there is such thing) it always works, clashed or not, active lines or not, with middle elements or only the frame of it.

    Active lines... If it's between active lines it shows that a group is forming right now or will form in near future. However if it's from inactive lines it shows group has already formed long ago and there may not be changes there.

    If we want to test it, by using old examples, seeing it in practice is easier in cases we had relationship questions where there are no moving lines. A lot of information can be seen from the lines without going into active/non active at all and we can see the lines have grouping that is kept even though they are inactive.

    I do understand why sometimes there is the desire to trying to keep it just to the active lines, since the inactive ones won't have effect on the end result as much, but they will tell us about the situation. So if we don't look just for strength, but for what is happening, it can form by a lot more expansive rules.


    I'm not saying this is more accurate then the rules that have been mention or are in some of the books out there. However it does work for me better, so just giving what I use.


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    Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « Reply #7 on: April 14, 2017, 09:47:22 PM »
    @all :

    Like Heaven Void and 12 Lifestages in Six Lines divination: Some authors/masters say when Heaven Void line moves, Heaven Void is invalid. Some say line must be strong too. Some say must be in season but when faced a clash by Sun/Moon, the Heaven Void becomes valid again....

    Some plot 12 lifestages by:
    - Day stem
    - Subject element
    - Subject's Na Yin element
    - Month pillar's Na Yin element
    - Day pillar's Na Yin element
    - Useful God's Na Yin element
    ....... and so on.

    Different practitioners, different practice. Each to their own. See which way is working for you.
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    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « Reply #9 on: April 15, 2017, 05:32:11 AM »
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    Hi Ren ..
     You mention : (The first rule is similar to a rule from Jack Chiu's book; that the San He Combo is formed from an Active line and the DB or MB.)
    .. to point out .. I meant from Raymond Lo 's first category San He Combo is formed from an Active line and by the DB and the MB.

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    Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « Reply #11 on: April 15, 2017, 07:27:54 AM »
    The trine line actually means "you grab it".
    The strongest would be month + day cast + subject, with the object has same element with the month.
    It is even stronger if fourth of the element measured has same animal representation, in which hexagram is not negative hexagram.

    But in my opinion, as long as four element do not clash, harm or punish, no KW, not a negative hexagram, probability you nail it already above 60%.

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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « Reply #12 on: April 15, 2017, 10:46:59 AM »
    @all: Can you read chinese?

    六爻中的论卦三合

    卦中有两个以上动爻时,优先检查看看是否有符合三合局的条件,因为三合局的影响力最大
    但如果舍三合而单论个别动爻,乃是见树不见林也

    三合局有四种:
    1.寅午戌--火局
    2.亥卯未--木局
    3.巳酉丑--金局
    4.申子辰--水局
    特别注意: 辰、戌、丑、未以水局论

    三合局在断卦时的涵义:
    三合者与另外之人事有关,
    譬如三合官鬼局--连累三个人;三合兄弟局--会发生劫财之事(或三个人联合来诈骗)


    三合者有四:
    1.一卦之内有一爻动而合局者一也。
    2.若两爻动一爻不动亦成合局者二也。
    3.有内卦初爻、三爻、动而变出爻成三合者三也。
    4.三爻若有两爻动,不成局,须待後之补凑合成其局,谓之虚三待用。


    一卦之内有一爻动而合局者之卦例:

    此例,如为占父母或占考运时以父母为用神(午火)
    动兄弟爻(戌) , 因为寅午戌则三合火局, 合局为火与用神相同
    此种情况代表动爻与用神会很有缘的紧密抱在一起,故也算是三合的一种

    在此例中,即使日辰不是寅日,也算是三合,因为动爻与用神两者所成的合局来生用

    承前题例,此卦占父母,三合父母局且动爻为兄弟==>父母生出兄弟==>即表现出父母为兄弟操心之卦意


    西元 2003 年 1 月 29 日 0 时 3 分    阴历 91 年 12 月 27 日
                                          时日月年    空  驿  桃  贵  羊
                                                      亡  马  花  人  刃
                                          庚壬癸壬    辰  申  卯  卯  子
                                          子寅丑午    巳          巳
                      艮土五世卦∶天泽履              兑金本宫卦∶兑为泽

    【六兽】【伏    神】    【  本    卦  】              【  变    卦  】
      白虎                  兄弟———壬戌土 ○ ——→丁未土 兄弟—  —世父母
       蛇  妻财  丙子水  世子孙———壬申金          丁酉金 子孙———  兄弟
      勾陈                  父母———壬午火          丁亥水 妻财———  子孙
      朱雀                  兄弟—  —丁丑土          丁丑土 兄弟—  —应父母
      青龙                应官鬼———丁卯木          丁卯木 官鬼———  妻财
      玄武                  父母———丁巳火          丁巳火 父母———  官鬼


    若两爻动一爻不动亦成合局者之卦例A:
    若此卦为占考运,以父母为用神,
    因卦中不现父母爻(伏神)==>推测当下考运不佳 (刚好此例父母巳火又逢空)
    而卦中动了寅、戌两爻,只欠午就可三合成火局,而此处的火又刚好是用神爻
    故而可以判断卦意显现到了午月或午日可成事

    西元 2003 年 1 月 29 日 0 时 3 分    阴历 91 年 12 月 27 日
                                          时日月年    空  驿  桃  贵  羊
                                                      亡  马  花  人  刃
                                          庚壬癸壬    辰  申  卯  卯  子
                                          子寅丑午    巳          巳
                      坤土游魂卦∶水天需              坎水游魂卦∶地火明夷

    【六兽】【伏    神】    【  本    卦  】              【  变    卦  】
      白虎                  妻财—  —戊子水          癸酉金 子孙—  —  父母
       蛇                  兄弟———戊戌土 ○ ——→癸亥水 妻财—  —  兄弟
      勾陈                世子孙—  —戊申金          癸丑土 兄弟—  —世官鬼
      朱雀                  兄弟———甲辰土          己亥水 妻财———  兄弟
      青龙  父母  乙巳火    官鬼———甲寅木 ○ ——→己丑土 兄弟—  —  官鬼
      玄武                应妻财———甲子水          己卯木 官鬼———应子孙


    若两爻动一爻不动亦成合局者之卦例B:

    若此卦占公司内升等部门经理是否有望? 以官鬼为用神

    此卦中亥卯未理应三合成木局,而现在三个爻中只有两个爻动,只剩亥爻未动
    但仍可视为三合木局,其原因可看待成 虚三待用"之局,即等亥时一到即应事也。
    因此亥月或可成事

    西元 2003 年 1 月 29 日 0 时 3 分    阴历 91 年 12 月 27 日
                                          时日月年    空  驿  桃  贵  羊
                                                      亡  马  花  人  刃
                                          庚壬癸壬    辰  申  卯  卯  子
                                          子寅丑午    巳          巳
                      坎水四世卦∶泽火革              乾金二世卦∶天山遁

    【六兽】【伏    神】    【  本    卦  】              【  变    卦  】
      白虎                  官鬼—  —丁未土   ——→壬戌土 官鬼———  父母
       蛇                  父母———丁酉金          壬申金 父母———应兄弟
      勾陈                世兄弟———丁亥水          壬午火 妻财———  官鬼
      朱雀  妻财  戊午火    兄弟———己亥水          丙申金 父母———  兄弟
      青龙                  官鬼—  —己丑土          丙午火 妻财—  —世官鬼
      玄武                应子孙———己卯木 ○ ——→丙辰土 官鬼—  —  父母


    虚三待用之卦例∶

    此例占过农历新年期间想利用连续假期出游的计划,旅程是否顺利平安?因是旅游故取子孙为用神

    卦中动二爻与五爻,寅午戌三合成火局,本来动爻不克世爻,但逢于午日时或逢午日而占卦,
    则火局强力克世也!此行不去也罢,或去时於午日恐有祸事或不愉快之事
    建议改换行程或旅行目的地而後再占

    此卦例并不需要在午日占卦即是虚三待用的三合火局,此处排卦特别将占卦时间改成午日以作卦例介绍

    西元 2003 年 2 月 2 日 0 时 3 分    阴历 92 年 1 月 2 日
                                          时日月年    空  驿  桃  贵  羊
                                                      亡  马  花  人  刃
                                          戊丙癸壬    寅  申  卯  酉  午
                                          子午丑午    卯          亥
                      坤土游魂卦∶水天需              坎水游魂卦∶地火明夷

    【六兽】【伏    神】    【  本    卦  】              【  变    卦  】
      青龙                  妻财—  —戊子水          癸酉金 子孙—  —  父母
      玄武                  兄弟———戊戌土 ○ ——→癸亥水 妻财—  —  兄弟
      白虎                世子孙—  —戊申金          癸丑土 兄弟—  —世官鬼
       蛇                  兄弟———甲辰土          己亥水 妻财———  兄弟
      勾陈  父母  乙巳火    官鬼———甲寅木 ○ ——→己丑土 兄弟—  —  官鬼
      朱雀                应妻财———甲子水          己卯木 官鬼———应子孙


    卦中有三个动爻合成三合局者有两种情况∶
    1.下卦的初爻与三爻俱动而与变出之爻成三合局者
    2.上卦的四爻与六爻俱动而与变出之爻成三合局者

    上卦的四爻与六爻俱动而与变出之爻成三合局者卦例:卯月官运,取用神官鬼为用

    此卦四爻与六爻俱动而与变出之爻合成巳酉丑三合金局(此处金为官爻,故又可称三合成官局)
    三合局强有力的右把世爻合在内,故可以断必成事也
    三合局强有力,虽卯月冲官星,但三合局冲不破,又逢桃花贵人,因此即便有风波,
    可能也能逢女性贵人来帮助而化解,不影响官运,此例令人不禁想到不久前爆发的舔耳风暴
    就有如此的戏剧性

    但如果此例四爻不动而只动六爻,则卯月冲卯(官爻)==>官星月破,凶也,官运无望
    又逢桃花,恐怕因女祸而丢官,一个四爻动不动便有如此大的差异,读者断卦时不可不慎

    西元 2002 年 3 月 29 日 0 时 3 分    阴历 91 年 2 月 16 日
                                          时日月年    空  驿  桃  贵  羊
                                                      亡  马  花  人  刃
                                          戊丙癸壬    辰  寅  酉  酉  午
                                          子申卯午    巳          亥
                      震木四世卦∶地风升              离火二世卦∶火风鼎

    【六兽】【伏    神】    【  本    卦  】              【  变    卦  】
      青龙                  官鬼—  —癸酉金   ——→己巳火 子孙———  兄弟
      玄武                  父母—  —癸亥水          己未土 妻财—  —应子孙
      白虎  子孙  庚午火  世妻财—  —癸丑土   ——→己酉金 官鬼———  妻财
       蛇                  官鬼———辛酉金          辛酉金 官鬼———  妻财
      勾陈  兄弟  庚寅木    父母———辛亥水          辛亥水 父母———世官鬼
      朱雀                应妻财—  —辛丑土          辛丑土 妻财—  —  子孙


    下卦的初爻与三爻俱动而与变出之爻成三合局者卦例∶占官运,取用神官鬼为用
    此卦初爻与三爻俱动而与变出之爻成亥卯未三合木(子孙)局克官鬼,
    而且官鬼又被夹在中间跑也跑不掉,因此只要年运(逢值逢合)即应局而下台

    西元 2002 年 3 月 29 日 0 时 3 分    阴历 91 年 2 月 16 日
                                          时日月年    空  驿  桃  贵  羊
                                                      亡  马  花  人  刃
                                          戊丙癸壬    辰  寅  酉  酉  午
                                          子申卯午    巳          亥
                      坎水四世卦∶泽火革              兑金二世卦∶泽地萃

    【六兽】【伏    神】    【  本    卦  】              【  变    卦  】
      青龙                  官鬼—  —丁未土          丁未土 官鬼—  —  父母
      玄武                  父母———丁酉金          丁酉金 父母———应兄弟
      白虎                世兄弟———丁亥水          丁亥水 兄弟———  子孙
       蛇  妻财  戊午火    兄弟———己亥水 ○ ——→乙卯木 子孙—  —  妻财
      勾陈                  官鬼—  —己丑土          乙巳火 妻财—  —世官鬼
      朱雀                应子孙———己卯木 ○ ——→乙未土 官鬼—  —  父母
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  • Re: San He (Triangular Combination) in Wen Wang Gua
    « Reply #13 on: April 15, 2017, 11:30:53 AM »
    Summary of above case studies involving Trio Combos:

    1st case study: Parents line (Wu) + moving line Siblings (Xu) + Day branch (Yin) trio comb shows parents concerned about sibling’s exams results.

    2nd case study: Missing Useful God fire Parents signify poor exam results. Moving lines (Yin + Xu) short of Wu to form trio combo. Likely to accomplish good results only on Wu day/month. [IMO, Wu is also favourable to Useful God.]

    3rd case study: Moving lines Useful God Power controlled by Offspring signify hard to get promotion. Moving lines (Mao + Wei) short of Hai to form trio combo, like 2nd case. Likely to accomplish promotion only on Hai day/month.

    4th case study: Ask about whether to proceed for a holiday trip. Moving lines (Xu + Yin) short of Wu to form Fire trio combo, like 2nd case. If went ahead, on Wu month/day, will have calamity*. However Fire is demerit to Subject element. Advised to abort trip or change destination, then divine again. [*IMO, the Year branch is Wu, going there the whole year will risk of calamity.]

    5th case study: Ask about Career, moving lines Useful God (You) + Subject (Chou) + Resultant line (Si) form Metal trio combo which supports Useful God. Trio combo is strong, so Month Breaker at Useful God can’t break it*. Diviner deducted, can get woman benefactor to help to resolve as You is also Flower of Romance star and Nobleman star. [However, IMO, Si is Heaven Void, it cannot combine. Eventual outcome would be “nothing”, efforts in vain. *This seems to defy this rule from ancient text, however each practitioner is entitled to his/her own ways of practice.]

    6th case study: Ask about Career, moving lines (Hai + Mao) + Resultant line (Wei) form Wood trio combo. The element which the Trio Combo produced is Wood which is demerit to Useful God Power earth. Will face termination or retrenchment that year.

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    Last but not least, any clash/combination is only a part of the chart. One need to see the WHOLE CHART and other components to form analysis.
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