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  • Help on bazi combination understanding?
    « on: October 16, 2017, 03:37:23 PM »
    Hi Everyone,

    It has been quite some time since I posted my last question. It seems less people are active nowadays and the helps tend to decrease in understanding bazi and ZWDS. Just wanted to know for any remaining kind soul who can help me to understand :

    1. If there is a combination of animal earthly branch between person A and another person's bazi, for example monkey in person's A hour and snake in person's B hour , I understand snake and monkey can combine into water but does this apply to combination between people's bazi and how does this translate into the relationship of person A & B? Is it that if person A has too much water already then it will not be a good thing whereas if person A actually needs water, it is a beneficial friendship?

    2. Is it right to judge the compatibility of one person with another also by looking at the earthly branches (animals) with the other person's earthly branch (animals)? For example checking if the year animals are suitable or not, the month animals, the day animals and also the hour animals with each other? Or is this a wrong method to judge the relationship between 2 people?

    Thank you very much in advance! :)
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  • Re: Help on bazi combination understanding?
    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 09:41:40 PM »
    Hi Everyone,

    It has been quite some time since I posted my last question. It seems less people are active nowadays and the helps tend to decrease in understanding bazi and ZWDS. Just wanted to know for any remaining kind soul who can help me to understand :

    1. If there is a combination of animal earthly branch between person A and another person's bazi, for example monkey in person's A hour and snake in person's B hour , I understand snake and monkey can combine into water but does this apply to combination between people's bazi and how does this translate into the relationship of person A & B? Is it that if person A has too much water already then it will not be a good thing whereas if person A actually needs water, it is a beneficial friendship?

    2. Is it right to judge the compatibility of one person with another also by looking at the earthly branches (animals) with the other person's earthly branch (animals)? For example checking if the year animals are suitable or not, the month animals, the day animals and also the hour animals with each other? Or is this a wrong method to judge the relationship between 2 people?

    Thank you very much in advance! :)

    Hi.

    1. In my experiance it's more important to find that person role in the other person chart. Very often it will be same element they are, so for example for Yi female her spouse star in chart often will be Geng Metal. However in real life cases, that doesn't mean the person that will take that role will always be Geng Metal DM.

    If they aren't then we have difference in the way they perceive the person and the role they play as a whole in their life(for everyone else and themselves).
    The case of "I'm so much better/worse when I'm with you" - basically they take the element that is Spouse Star in the other person chart. That is what creates the 3th line with time in Wen Wang Gua as well, the intertwining of the charts.
    So for example in the relationship between them he may take "qualities" of Geng metal, however mostly in life he may take very different qualities closer to his original DM.

    In that sense, in my view it's more important to view elements of the person and find both of them in there. Trying to work with both charts at the same time can be very useful at times, but may be complex to start.

    2. Same thing. First look at their relation to their own Spouse Palace(intimacy) and then to their own spouse star(DO/7K for female usually, while Asset for male).
    After all that can look for how the elements interrelate between the 2 charts, and that part is very interesting, but it can be more difficult to decipher at times.

    In short - in my view, first find them in their own charts and how they relate from there. After that is clear, if you need more info it is interesting to look how the 2 charts relate, but first step is always nice to be their own relation to their own spouse palace/star.

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  • Re: Help on bazi combination understanding?
    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 11:23:49 PM »
    Hi Everyone,

    It has been quite some time since I posted my last question. It seems less people are active nowadays and the helps tend to decrease in understanding bazi and ZWDS. Just wanted to know for any remaining kind soul who can help me to understand :

    1. If there is a combination of animal earthly branch between person A and another person's bazi, for example monkey in person's A hour and snake in person's B hour , I understand snake and monkey can combine into water but does this apply to combination between people's bazi and how does this translate into the relationship of person A & B? Is it that if person A has too much water already then it will not be a good thing whereas if person A actually needs water, it is a beneficial friendship?

    2. Is it right to judge the compatibility of one person with another also by looking at the earthly branches (animals) with the other person's earthly branch (animals)? For example checking if the year animals are suitable or not, the month animals, the day animals and also the hour animals with each other? Or is this a wrong method to judge the relationship between 2 people?

    Thank you very much in advance! :)

    Hi.

    1. In my experiance it's more important to find that person role in the other person chart. Very often it will be same element they are, so for example for Yi female her spouse star in chart often will be Geng Metal. However in real life cases, that doesn't mean the person that will take that role will always be Geng Metal DM.

    If they aren't then we have difference in the way they perceive the person and the role they play as a whole in their life(for everyone else and themselves).
    The case of "I'm so much better/worse when I'm with you" - basically they take the element that is Spouse Star in the other person chart. That is what creates the 3th line with time in Wen Wang Gua as well, the intertwining of the charts.
    So for example in the relationship between them he may take "qualities" of Geng metal, however mostly in life he may take very different qualities closer to his original DM.

    In that sense, in my view it's more important to view elements of the person and find both of them in there. Trying to work with both charts at the same time can be very useful at times, but may be complex to start.

    2. Same thing. First look at their relation to their own Spouse Palace(intimacy) and then to their own spouse star(DO/7K for female usually, while Asset for male).
    After all that can look for how the elements interrelate between the 2 charts, and that part is very interesting, but it can be more difficult to decipher at times.

    In short - in my view, first find them in their own charts and how they relate from there. After that is clear, if you need more info it is interesting to look how the 2 charts relate, but first step is always nice to be their own relation to their own spouse palace/star.


    Hi Gmuli,

    Thank you so much for your reply. Really appreciate it! Firstly, I would like to apologize if i am a bit slow in understanding the passage. Can you help correct me if I am wrong? Do you mean here for example if the lady is yin wood and the spouse is Ren water (direct resource) it means that the spouse will act like the support of the lady as in like the zheng yin who always provide and support for the DM? or from the second paragraph I understand that even if the spouse is not the Geng but in context of being in a relationship with the lady, he will still act like a geng person but in all other activities he will be more of like his own DM? I got the looking at the spouse palace (which is the day branch) element and also the real spouse star (depends on the DM and gender) and look at their interrelation. However, I still don't really understand how to interrelate them and the part of how to determine "I'm so much better/worse when I'm with you" part... Maybe could you help me give an example of explanation with a random chart? Thank you so much Gmuli :) May all your help be returned

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  • Re: Help on bazi combination understanding?
    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 12:36:30 AM »
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    or from the second paragraph I understand that even if the spouse is not the Geng but in context of being in a relationship with the lady, he will still act like a geng person but in all other activities he will be more of like his own DM?

    That too, in my experiance it depends. For example if he is Gui it's much more likely to act as the element in her chart, since Gui is very easy to follow stuff and this is the form she will relate with... Then if he is Jia or Wu it's unlikely... So it depends on other things, also all of that can change based on other pillars etc. but both are there to some degree in my view.

    However very often it works in such way that he will be same element that is spouse in the other persons chart, as well, in that case she sees him as he is and the other way around.


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    I got the looking at the spouse palace (which is the day branch) element and also the real spouse star (depends on the DM and gender) and look at their interrelation. However, I still don't really understand how to interrelate them

    Well... If we look as stems as surface look and branches as deep within, then that counts for Day Pillar as well. DM shows how we interact, Day Branch is what is going on deep within.

    In that sense everyone that gets to interact with Day Branch of their chart will get to know them more deeply. So if we see interaction from something in LP or AP that interacts with Day Branch(combine for example), whatever is there isn't in their initial elements, we can guess there is possibility of relationship, but it may not be long term, because interaction will be gone as the LP or AP ends.

    If Spouse Star interacts with Day Branch means allowing someone to interact a lot deeper then usual. Depending on country/people etc. that may mean different things in real life.

    While Officer/ 7 K is just Image of a male. And Asset is image of a female. But in male chart, when we see elements with image of a female we can say that this is the women in his life. Then if she doesn't interact with day branch it means she won't get as close to him as expected, may not get married etc. But she is still the Image of a female that we see when we look at his elements, so the image of the women he sees when he looks back on his life from the hour pillar someday.

    Here is interesting link with some explanations, I would recommend anything by Puppylove, it works great for me, although needed some time to actually figure it out:

    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=904.0
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=3981.0
    When it comes to details different practitioners use different approaches... I'm trying to make what I can from Puppylove's explanation work, but there are still some differences... however with time it seems to work more and more the way it was explained back then...

    In old Puppylove's posts there are many details, examples and explanations as well.

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  • Re: Help on bazi combination understanding?
    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 01:09:22 AM »
    Thank you so much Gmuli for the very detailed explanation, hahahha it seems very very complicated now. May I ask you one last thing on this:

    "That too, in my experiance it depends. For example if he is Gui it's much more likely to act as the element in her chart, since Gui is very easy to follow stuff and this is the form she will relate with... Then if he is Jia or Wu it's unlikely... So it depends on other things, also all of that can change based on other pillars etc. but both are there to some degree in my view.

    However very often it works in such way that he will be same element that is spouse in the other persons chart, as well, in that case she sees him as he is and the other way around."


    more likely to act as the element in her chart : means the element that represents the spouse is it?

    However very often it works in such way that he will be same element that is spouse in the other persons chart, as well, in that case she sees him as he is and the other way around : this is very interesting, so what you meant was no matter what the DM of the spouse, they will in some way acts like the element of the spouse? (didn't know that we can act like other DM although our DM is something else :) )

    As for the link, thank you so so much, I will read through it thoroughly now and try to understand. Thank you very much :) This has really amazed my thoughts hahahaha



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  • Re: Help on bazi combination understanding?
    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 02:43:14 AM »
    All this mentioned so far. In some situation if his DM is different element he will assume that role when near, sometimes she will see him like this even though he will still be acting as his element, and some % of the time he will be that element, a lot more often then statistically it will make sense to, from people I have seen charts of. so far.


    If you think about it, for female spouse is always Officer, while Asset for male.
    The relationship is the same, though.

    Example : DM Ren water. Male. Their Spouse Star is very likely to be Ding Fire, because that is Direct Wealth under most circumstances.

    Now, if we look at it from the point of view of the spouse, lets say she is Ding Fire.
    If she is Ding Fire(DM), then her Direct Officer is Ren Water.

    In that sense if one of them is the spouse element, the other one has to be same element as well. From that point on, whatever happens with Fire in both LP/AP and both charts happens with the female, because in the whole situation she is fire. Same for Water and the male.

    But this doesn't matter a lot, because in their own life/chart the movements will be whatever the spouse star is. So no matter the real element it will affect them the way the element in their chart will. So in that sense we look at individual charts first, because that will show what will possibly happen, while the other stuff is very interesting to observe in situations, but not very useful for predictions, because the events in their life will be related to the element the spouse star is, not their real element.



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  • Re: Help on bazi combination understanding?
    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 08:30:07 AM »
    so, Dragon (Chen), Horse (Wu), Rooster (You) and Hai (Pig) form self-punishment with each other.

    What happens when you put a room full of Horse? like for example a classroom full of students born in 2014?
    essentially does that create 11 years (std1-std6, form1-form5) of regreats base on self-punishment?

    if you, however, put a room full of 7K, regardless of their DayMaster ... I guarantee they will fight.

    You have to look at the entire chart to see which 10gods dominate to determine if this 2 fellow is useful to each other.

    always look at the utility of the person. Combine merely tell you there is a certain affinity between you 2. all in you are meant to cross each other path. 
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    « Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 08:08:52 PM »
    All this mentioned so far. In some situation if his DM is different element he will assume that role when near, sometimes she will see him like this even though he will still be acting as his element, and some % of the time he will be that element, a lot more often then statistically it will make sense to, from people I have seen charts of. so far.


    If you think about it, for female spouse is always Officer, while Asset for male.
    The relationship is the same, though.

    Example : DM Ren water. Male. Their Spouse Star is very likely to be Ding Fire, because that is Direct Wealth under most circumstances.

    Now, if we look at it from the point of view of the spouse, lets say she is Ding Fire.
    If she is Ding Fire(DM), then her Direct Officer is Ren Water.

    In that sense if one of them is the spouse element, the other one has to be same element as well. From that point on, whatever happens with Fire in both LP/AP and both charts happens with the female, because in the whole situation she is fire. Same for Water and the male.

    But this doesn't matter a lot, because in their own life/chart the movements will be whatever the spouse star is. So no matter the real element it will affect them the way the element in their chart will. So in that sense we look at individual charts first, because that will show what will possibly happen, while the other stuff is very interesting to observe in situations, but not very useful for predictions, because the events in their life will be related to the element the spouse star is, not their real element.

    Dear Gmuli,

    I see, fully understood. Thank you very much for discussing this interesting topic with me :)

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  • Re: Help on bazi combination understanding?
    « Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 08:18:30 PM »
    so, Dragon (Chen), Horse (Wu), Rooster (You) and Hai (Pig) form self-punishment with each other.

    What happens when you put a room full of Horse? like for example a classroom full of students born in 2014?
    essentially does that create 11 years (std1-std6, form1-form5) of regreats base on self-punishment?

    if you, however, put a room full of 7K, regardless of their DayMaster ... I guarantee they will fight.

    You have to look at the entire chart to see which 10gods dominate to determine if this 2 fellow is useful to each other.

    always look at the utility of the person. Combine merely tell you there is a certain affinity between you 2. all in you are meant to cross each other path.

    Hi Kevin,

    Thank you for joining the topic :) so is it correct that you are trying to say the 10 gods dominating in the bazi is more dominant and relevant compared to their individual elements in determining the relationship between 2 people? For example between classmates? As I thought that if the earthly branch between me for example with my mother does not clash and have combination then it might mean my mom and me have a good relationship with each other? One interesting thing I noticed also is my close friends tend to have animals which at least doesn't clash or are in season/combination with mine... (between day and day branch, year and year branch, month and month branch)

    Another thing i am curious of is, is it true that some people tend to be close with certain friends as their day stem combines with their friends' day stem? for example Wu & gui = fire, Ren & ding = wood, Bing & xin = water , does this enhances connection/attraction between people in general (not marriage type)?

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