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Grave open or closed? Many marriage or none?
« on: October 30, 2017, 09:50:52 AM »
Hi everyone

I have some free time lately so decided to read up on Mangpai. Particularly graveyard and tombs. After reading several of the topics related to tombs, I am still not 100% across it.

Can someone kindly help me work out if Xu in the below bazi is open or closed tomb. 

H     D        M      Y
Wu  Geng  Gui   Jia
Yin   Xu      You  Zi

Does the Wu in hour and Jia in Year count as a HS clash?

And if so, since Xu & HS Wu share an image its like Xu is being clashed as well. So means open.?

If a Branch Wu Horse turn up in LP or AP,  it will form a 3 combo. And the Wu Horse clash with the Zi. In 1 of the thread, it said when this happens, the Wu horse will automatically be locked in tomb. Would this occur to just closed tombs or it will happen to open tomb too? 

For DO that are stuck in closed tombs, its an image of many. Im assuming many means more than 1 marriage in life. But i also read that closed tombs also means difficult to get married. If it is difficult to get married in the 1st place,  how can that person have more than 1 marriage? 


Thankyou in advance

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  • Re: Grave open or closed? Many marriage or none?
    « Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 05:49:40 PM »
    Hi everyone

    I have some free time lately so decided to read up on Mangpai. Particularly graveyard and tombs. After reading several of the topics related to tombs, I am still not 100% across it.

    Can someone kindly help me work out if Xu in the below bazi is open or closed tomb. 

    H     D        M      Y
    Wu  Geng  Gui   Jia
    Yin   Xu      You  Zi

    Does the Wu in hour and Jia in Year count as a HS clash?

    And if so, since Xu & HS Wu share an image its like Xu is being clashed as well. So means open.?

    If a Branch Wu Horse turn up in LP or AP,  it will form a 3 combo. And the Wu Horse clash with the Zi. In 1 of the thread, it said when this happens, the Wu horse will automatically be locked in tomb. Would this occur to just closed tombs or it will happen to open tomb too? 

    For DO that are stuck in closed tombs, its an image of many. Im assuming many means more than 1 marriage in life. But i also read that closed tombs also means difficult to get married. If it is difficult to get married in the 1st place,  how can that person have more than 1 marriage? 


    Thankyou in advance

    Xu is Tomb/Store of Fire(since it is at the end of the next season Fire> Summer, Metal > Autumn and Xu is end of Autumn).

    In my understanding it is closed(so Tomb, if it was open would be Store), because there is nothing to open it and by default it is closed.
    Many spouse stars... Depending on culture/country person may marry one of them, then one more shows up may divorce and marry next one etc... So it depends on approach to marriage and other stuff I think...
    But it's many Images of Spouse, whatever that means will be either many marriage or neither, depending how fast they need to know someone before they get married...

    Clash has to be clash of the elements that this Tomb holds, so in this case you need clash of Fire and Water in the stems, connected to the Tomb. Even if we count Jia clashing Wu and they were connected to the Tomb(and that isn't really a clash, Jia/Shen would be), Xu is Tomb/Store of Fire, so no reason to open it.
    If we had for example Ren on top of it and Bing in year pillar that would open it...

    But this is just the initial situation. Time goes by, first time Chen/Wei/Chou shows up in Luck Pillars will open it for 5 years... So initially it is closed, but as LP and AP come and go it will open and close depending on branches/stems that are becoming active. Can't open from stems because there is no Water/Fire stem connected to it and to open it needs Fire stem connected to it clashed.

    In this case if it is open for 5 years, again they may marry a spouse, have marriage for a few years, because it will be single image then, then when it is open again other spouses start to show up and marriage may fall apart. Or it may hold even though there will be other spouses in the situation, for some time...

    In short - it is closed, because there is nothing to open it initially.




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    Re: Grave open or closed? Many marriage or none?
    « Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 06:05:11 PM »
    @Gmuli

    Thanks for the reply.

    What happens when the tomb open and we meet someone and get marry. When the tomb closed up,  what will happen to that marriage?  Would the marriage end when the tomb close up? Or it only end when the tomb reopen again?

    Cherry




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    « Reply #3 on: October 30, 2017, 06:38:46 PM »
    H     D        M      Y
    Wu  Geng  Gui   Jia
    Yin   Xu      You  Zi  female
    Hi Sweet Cherry, after reading your original post, I take it that you are asking about a female chart, so I wrote "female" next to the chart.   

    Xu is not Spouse Star but Hour Yin is the true Spouse Star.  Geng and Gui You are conjoined, and You "rejects" Xu.  Luckily, this DM can take Cai (Wealth) as the Spouse Star.  She tends to marry late, but she will marry (or is already married, depending on LP/AP).

    Spouse is likely to be younger, because:
    1) Spouse Star is at the Hour Pillar
    2) Yin = Jia, Jia overcomes Wu, and Wu is 印 (Seal/Resource). 

    As for having more than one marriage, IMHO no.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 06:50:31 PM »
    @Jlim

    Thanks for your reply. Mangpai is very interesting.

    The Bazi is actually mine. I was comparing the Mangpai with ZWDS si hua. I thought the XU is the spouse star since it has DO. And closed tomb and many spouse doesn't really match up with ZWDS. Now both seems to be saying similar things. Except for the part that spouse is younger. Because ZWDS says spouse is older 5-10 yrs.

    Any chance that spouse could be older even if spouse is in hour pillar?

    Thankyou again

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    « Reply #9 on: November 01, 2017, 11:13:32 AM »
    Hi Sweet Cherry and Gmuli,

    Yes, Chou-Xu makes the Ding in Xu available.  Here is an example, also a Geng DM: Power Controlling Parallel using PM Thatcher as example.  She was married only once.

    @Jlim

    Thanks for your reply. Mangpai is very interesting.

    The Bazi is actually mine. I was comparing the Mangpai with ZWDS si hua. I thought the XU is the spouse star since it has DO. And closed tomb and many spouse doesn't really match up with ZWDS. Now both seems to be saying similar things. Except for the part that spouse is younger. Because ZWDS says spouse is older 5-10 yrs.
    Ha, that is your chart! Are you married already?

    @Jlim
    Any chance that spouse could be older even if spouse is in hour pillar?
    There is a chance, but I don't think so in your case.  Age of spouse is also influenced by the country & culture.  In some cultures, it's more difficult for a lady to marry a younger man.  In other cultures it's easier.  Also parents' influence play a role if you're Asian.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 01, 2017, 10:26:11 PM »
    H     D        M      Y
    Wu  Geng  Gui   Jia
    Yin   Xu      You  Zi  female
    Hi Sweet Cherry, after reading your original post, I take it that you are asking about a female chart, so I wrote "female" next to the chart.   

    Xu is not Spouse Star but Hour Yin is the true Spouse Star.  Geng and Gui You are conjoined, and You "rejects" Xu.  Luckily, this DM can take Cai (Wealth) as the Spouse Star.  She tends to marry late, but she will marry (or is already married, depending on LP/AP).

    Spouse is likely to be younger, because:
    1) Spouse Star is at the Hour Pillar
    2) Yin = Jia, Jia overcomes Wu, and Wu is 印 (Seal/Resource). 

    As for having more than one marriage, IMHO no.

    @Jlim

    You harm Xu is an image of rejection, however, could you explain you jue Xu since there is not much explaination on this topic. Does it mean she will reject both candidates eventually?

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