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  • 八字命理学之滴天派和盲派的最大区别
    Biggest Difference between Heavenly Instillation Bazi vs Blindman Bazi

    2016-06-04 | 由 易指佳缘 發表于星座

    *Translated and shared out of goodwill by ArtofFugue. Some parts of original article had been editted for length and clarity.

    先说滴天派,他是传统命理学中正宗的领袖派,是命理学的主流派别。命理师学习了经典命理典籍以后,运用书中批命的方法,有步骤有秩序的批一个八字,就是滴天派的断事法。
    First, we talk about Heaven Instillation (Di Tian Sui), it is the mainstream and traditional Bazi sect. Bazi practitioners learnt from the book’s systematic way of analysing a Bazi and that is the Heaven Instillation sect’s fate analysis method.

    而另外的新派和盲派,因为缺乏理论和技术的支撑,已成昨日黄花。
    New sects like Blindman (Mangpai) is not heavy on theory and technicality, hence become less wide-spread.

    滴天派的特点就是批命的时候易理特别强,比如给你断一个事,他完全是通过八字中各个字之间的关系,然后推断到现实并下结论的,外人看到的就是有很强的理论性,可能几句话,大多数的文字,是专业术语,真正白话断事的文字,就几个字便完事;这个有看过《滴天髓》的朋友就知道了,你没有很强的理论基础,你是看不下去的。
    Distinct point about Heaven Instillation sect is, it is theory and technicality-heavy. The practitioner will analyse the technical aspect of all multifarious relationships of each stem/branch character before coming to a conclusion about querent’s destiny. What an outsider (non-practitioner) will see is one big chunk of Bazi theories plus technicalities and only a few words of actual fate reading. [Eg; “this year is not smooth-sailing”, “good outcome”, “bad outcome”.] Those who have read Heaven Instillation will know without a strong theory foundation, it is impossible to continue reading the text.

    盲派,先说说什么是盲派,缘起如何?
    For Blindman sect, first we talk about what is Blindman sect and its origin.

    相传盲派算命的祖师爷是鬼谷子先师,鬼谷子看到盲人在这世上生存艰难,于是把一套他研习出来的算命术传给了盲人。
    Originating grandmaster of Blindman sect is Grandmaster Ghost Valley (Gui Gu Zi) who saw that blindmen have hardship earning a living. So he bestowed a newly-researched set of fortune-telling skills to blindmen.

    盲人因为看不见,怎么算命呢?
    Blindmen are unable to see, so how do they read Bazi?

    盲派命理有其独特的算命口诀,算命算卦简洁快速准确。由于历史上它都是单独传授的,从不外传于非盲,因而显得非常神秘。
    Blindman sect has unique verbal formulas, when fortune-telling or divining hexagrams, it is fast and pin-point accurate. Throughout history, it was recorded to spread only to blindmen verbally and not widely published externally, so Blindman sect acquired a mysterious image.

    他们先是背了好多口诀,然后把八字放到他们的口诀里面,那个能对上的,就对应说该句口诀对应的事。
    Blindmen practitioners memorised many verbal formulas, then they put the querent’s Bazi to match the lines of the formulas, whichever were matched, they would say out the line’s interpretations of querent’s fate.

    他们批八字,是不能像滴天派一样写个长篇大论的,而是一路说八字。
    When Blindmen practitioners analyse a Bazi chart, unlike Heaven Instillation, they would not churn out a long theoretical-and-technical report but would only focus on the application part (ie; fate reading).

    所以,有时候,你一把八字报上来,他脑里就不断的提取算命口诀,你刚说完,他就找其中最有把握的一点说出来,一下子就把你镇住了。
    When querent revealed his Bazi chart, in his mind the Blindman practitioner will continuously draw out relevant formulas and interpretation lines. After querent have finished, the practitioner will cherry-pick the most confident interpretation among those and announce it, to momentarily astound and impress the querent.

    等他再说上一两条,同样有把握的,你就完全信服了。
    As the practitioner continues to announce some more lines (which he is more confident to be accurate), the querent will be completely won over.

    最离奇的段法有,说你家门前有颗老槐树,你家右边有条河,甚至是你长了虎牙,你屁股上有胎记,你父母堕过几次胎等。
    The most bizarre interpretation lines includes: “There’s a tree right in front of your house”, “There’re a river to the right side of your house”, “You have tiger tooth”, “You have a birthmark somewhere”, “Your mother have aborted how many times”, etc...

    这个口诀就相当于小学生背乘法口诀一样,他只管套上去,他不用知道怎么来的,就像很多人都看到水会往低处流,却不知道其中的原理一样。
    These verbal formulas are like a primary school student’s multiplication tables, the practitioner would only know how to apply it but wouldn’t know how it is derived.

    滴天派的话,他就会跟你说,是因为水具有流动性,在受到地球引力的作用下,才会往低处流。
    Heaven Instillation sect, on the other hand, will focus more on the theory and technicality.

    一个重理,重过程,一个重结果,他没有过程,只要符合他这个口诀的,断出来,中的几率就比较大。
    We can see now, Heaven Instillation sect is heavy on theory + process whereas Blindman sect is heavy on interpretation + result (as long as the Bazi chart fits the formula, the interpretation line would have higher chance of being accurate).

    只能说各有千秋,根据以上对正五行和盲派断事的方法介绍,以后你在遇到命理师,你一定要多问他几个为什么?就知道他们都是什么人了。
    We can only say, each to their own. Next time you consult a Bazi master, examine their answers and interpretations and you would know which sect a practitioner is he.

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    From this article, I learnt a deeper understanding of Blindman sect bazi:

    - Blindman practitioners have an agenda to impress and amaze querent. This comes off as “new” to me because when I do readings for other people, I just do it. I don’t aim to impress or win over anyone as I believe that’s not the true purpose of CM.

    - Blindman practitioners have a grading system of how accurate an interpretation line is. This is something new too!

    - Blindman sect Bazi method is like a pre-formulated and pre-designed system of algorithms. If programmed as a software/app, it would not require human intervention. It’s not like other CM methods requiring analysis and creativity.

    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • This is very true. You can see it in the forum as well. All of us interested in Mang Pai don't really learn anything about relations of elements, seasons,gangs, strengths, hidden relations or overall how things work. We have no idea what is DTS, we just quote lines from poems we have learned, without any understanding, just to impress people.

    Very accurate text, good job there! ; )

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  • @Gmuli : Thanks for friendly and warm message. :)

    Unlike most, I don't learn CM to impress (you seldom see me participate in guessing games and do readings now, except in the past to try out some theories). I learn CM purely due to personal interest and thirst for spiritual knowledge.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • It was a little sarcastic, though...
    You have made a lot of translations of blindman texts in topics here, how many poems did you see that we were suppose to learn and quote... XD

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  • Even sarcastic words appearing as friendly is smoothing to the eyes reading them.
    Even fake flowers can be as beautiful as real ones, so does it really matter? A Zhuang Zi moment to ponder....

    Anyway, there are many Blindman sects out there. Some are evolved already, may not be authentic/original. So does it really matter? ;)
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • I think it is for this style:
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=8867.msg139655#msg139655

    It's not what most members here seems interested in, but it is some form of Mang Pai I guess...



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  • I think it is for this style:
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=8867.msg139655#msg139655

    It's not what most members here seems interested in, but it is some form of Mang Pai I guess...

    Seems to be....

    Are you sure? I think most members are interested in anything Mangpai.

    It's good to compare the differences between traditional and new sects so that we can learn more about the pros and cons of each method, allowing us to gain a deeper understanding.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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    - Blindman practitioners have an agenda to impress and amaze querent. This comes off as “new” to me because when I do readings for other people, I just do it. I don’t aim to impress or win over anyone as I believe that’s not the true purpose of CM.

    So the deeper understanding that you gained was a opinion that all blindman practitioners have a agenda to impress and amaze. So basically you gained understanding of a opinion?  ???
    How is this healthy to insult all blindman practitioners as having a agenda to impress and amaze so in your opinion they are like clowns?
    Great constructive comparison you got going on....




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  • It's good to compare the differences between traditional and new sects so that we can learn more about the pros and cons of each method, allowing us to gain a deeper understanding.

    True, I guess. : )

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  • Re: Biggest Difference between Heavenly Instillation Bazi vs Blindman Bazi
    « Reply #10 on: March 04, 2018, 10:55:27 PM »
    Learning is fun  :D.  However, what interest me on the topic is my own personal opinion.

    Axis, what an interesting article.  Didn't expect any US University would have someone interested in CM as well.
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    Re: Biggest Difference between Heavenly Instillation Bazi vs Blindman Bazi
    « Reply #11 on: March 04, 2018, 11:02:52 PM »
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    « Last Edit: March 04, 2018, 11:39:55 PM by Axis »

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    Re: Biggest Difference between Heavenly Instillation Bazi vs Blindman Bazi
    « Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 03:03:19 AM »
    why dont blindmen masters believe in special charts? thanks

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  • Re: Biggest Difference between Heavenly Instillation Bazi vs Blindman Bazi
    « Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 08:21:15 AM »
    why dont blindmen masters believe in special charts? thanks

    My 2 cents opinion and how I see it:

    1. Has to do with their mode of analysis. They're more focused on the application part (and details) than theory part.

    2. Has to do with their mode of operation (agenda). To me, it's not relevant to tell a querent his chart is a wealthy chart during a low period of his life (or vice versa).

    Some querents will accuse positive overview of chart gives "false hope", while other querents may accuse negative overview of chart gives "no hope". Overview of a entire lifetime is too large a picture. People seldom see the big picture, they want instant results and details.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Biggest Difference between Heavenly Instillation Bazi vs Blindman Bazi
    « Reply #14 on: April 01, 2018, 12:12:54 PM »
    ........................
    ..........Didn't expect any US University would have someone interested in CM as well.

    Sooner or later, I foresee CM will become a core module in school curriculum.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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    Re: Biggest Difference between Heavenly Instillation Bazi vs Blindman Bazi
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