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  • Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « on: October 20, 2018, 08:15:46 AM »
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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2018, 09:15:28 AM »
    What is your source?

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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #2 on: October 21, 2018, 09:24:52 AM »
    What is your source?

    Without source, some members will think it's dubious source.

    My source is 盲派初级命理学 - 段建业 Mang Pai Beginner Life Reading - Duan Jian Ye

    I omitted the chinese text to avoid copyright infringement.

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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #3 on: October 21, 2018, 09:53:31 AM »

    My source is 盲派初级命理学 - 段建业 Mang Pai Beginner Life Reading - Duan Jian Ye

    I omitted the chinese text to avoid copyright infringement.

    Some members want to see the chinese text as they don't trust translator or want ideograms.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2018, 10:32:17 AM »

    My source is 盲派初级命理学 - 段建业 Mang Pai Beginner Life Reading - Duan Jian Ye

    I omitted the chinese text to avoid copyright infringement.

    Some members want to see the chinese text as they don't trust translator or want ideograms.

    Well too bad then, i believe as information is scarce regarding the corresponding subject and i'm sharing this out of goodwill. My philosophy in translation is to stick to the original text as close as possible as the copy that i keep for myself even has the pinyin as it allows me to counter validated my own translataion in the future if there's a particular section i need to re-read for further clarification.

    It's copyrighted material after all, i know everyone have a different appetite level when coming to copyright infringement, i would like to play safe so that everyone can benefit from this.

    Again i believe you've mentioned countless time, it's not hard to get it online and the title is copy-pastable and searchable right on the get go. Hassle free if any one took the initiative to goolge for it. No pain in the ass "OCR" from image to be searchable on google.
    « Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 10:34:57 AM by rotiprata »

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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2018, 11:38:25 AM »
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    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2018, 09:01:49 PM »
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    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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    Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #7 on: October 21, 2018, 10:20:19 PM »
    My chart falls into police thief category.
    The reason of why the thief cannot be caught is because the thief in tomb (jail).
    In order to catch the thief, the thief MUST RUN OUT from the jail in form of stems or branches.

    And wierdest of all, the clash actually means "the thief already come out" but need the moment (the qi of certain god) to show up.  ???
    This is one of explanation that I get from mangpai expert.
    If only I can turn back time and reverse the "qi"...  :(

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    « Reply #8 on: October 22, 2018, 01:18:55 AM »
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    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2018, 05:02:35 AM »

    My source is 盲派初级命理学 - 段建业 Mang Pai Beginner Life Reading - Duan Jian Ye

    I omitted the chinese text to avoid copyright infringement.

    Some members want to see the chinese text as they don't trust translator or want ideograms.

    Well too bad then, i believe as information is scarce regarding the corresponding subject and i'm sharing this out of goodwill. My philosophy in translation is to stick to the original text as close as possible as the copy that i keep for myself even has the pinyin as it allows me to counter validated my own translataion in the future if there's a particular section i need to re-read for further clarification.

    It's copyrighted material after all, i know everyone have a different appetite level when coming to copyright infringement, i would like to play safe so that everyone can benefit from this.

    Again i believe you've mentioned countless time, it's not hard to get it online and the title is copy-pastable and searchable right on the get go. Hassle free if any one took the initiative to goolge for it. No pain in the ass "OCR" from image to be searchable on google.

    I agree with    bokeksiansu and tyc. Awesome stuff, so far, looking forward for more. : )
    Don't care about the Chinese text, most of us appreciated it like this.
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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2018, 05:43:15 AM »
    Will write some explanation on the examples from my point of view/experience as I think we need some change of the direction the topic took after first post...

    Some of the rules we have seen in depth in examples around the forum, some are really easy to see in practice...

    First problem someone may stumble upon is that this 4 pillars seem impossible. As there can never be Gui Si hour pillar if the Day Stem is Ding.
    The reason is that the date is reversed, as we have seen in other Mang Pai examples.
    We can use the Gmuli BaZi App to find a possible date, one of that would be 8 May 2013 at around 10 AM.

    DM Gang(that would be all wood,fire and dry earth in the chart) control/obtain Gui.

    What do we mean by control...
    Well, we mean that they have relations(combination, clash etc.) with it that help them obtain it.

    With the terminology here what are the work gods then...
    That would be the Stems and branches that actually do the work and form of relation to Gui as part of the Wood/Fire/Dry Earth gang.

    In this case that would be Si in year pillar. The Wu in its hidden stems combines with Gui(what we call Self Combination) in that way doing "work" and also obtaining Gui(as the Host/Ti position is part of the Wood/Fire/Dry Earth gang, so this is what its using to obtain what it wants, in this case Resource, so even though Resource we usually view as part of what DM is using, in this case in its position in the year and in the opposite Gang it becomes what is sought after).

    Stems are difficult to control, as they are fleeting, so this is nowhere near enough. But this is not all.
    Other working gods, Ding in Month Stem, by clash with Gui(Ding<>Gui).
    Another working god in the hour, Ji controls Gui as earth controls water, low form of "efficiency" however, as no interaction other then control cycle.

    Now, we just need Gui to come in LP/AP and this will trigger.

    Someone may have problem with this:
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    "Yin" is authority.

    Why resource will be authority?
    The thing is, authority is created when something is in control/obtained.
    Direct Officer and Indirect Officer are considered authority because they control DM. That is their definition after all.

    However anything that is controlled, also get Images of DO and 7K, just because the Images go with the act of control, not by relation to DM alone.
    So now in this process authority is obtained, because in this process something is controlled with what is at disposal(wood/fire/dry earth gang).

    Why Output controls Resource, that should be obvious, again control relations, Water controls Fire normally, this is controlling it back as Fire is so much stronger and has the needed interactions. Able to control what controls you by nature - gain of authority.

    There is one more work process here, but that may be viewed in later chapter.

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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2018, 06:39:53 AM »
    My chart falls into police thief category.
    The reason of why the thief cannot be caught is because the thief in tomb (jail).
    In order to catch the thief, the thief MUST RUN OUT from the jail in form of stems or branches.

    And wierdest of all, the clash actually means "the thief already come out" but need the moment (the qi of certain god) to show up.  ???
    This is one of explanation that I get from mangpai expert.
    If only I can turn back time and reverse the "qi"...  :(

    I'm assuming that you have passed that luck cycle to be able to it?

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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #12 on: October 22, 2018, 06:50:10 AM »
    I'll be starting on chapter 2 as soon as i find time for it. Meanwhil here's snippet of all the chapters:

    Chapter 2: Derive Image From Four Pillars Palaces
    Chapter 3: Categorising 10 Gods
    Chapter 4: MangPai Method of Analysing Chart
    Chapter 5: How it Works
    Chapter 6: Analysis of the System of Law
    Chapter 7: 应期 (Google translate it as "Due Qi", hearing from jyutyping i conclude this as "Accepting Qi" to "To Face Qi")

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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
    « Reply #13 on: October 22, 2018, 08:00:34 AM »

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    Don't care about the Chinese text, most of us appreciated it like this.

    Glad to know that is the majority's choice. It's also less work for contributor to omit the chinese text. For my future contributions, I shall omit the chinese text.

    Surprising too that those ppl who usually ask for source and ideograms are keeping quiet nowadays.
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  • Re: Mangpai Destiny Reading - Duan Jian Ye
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