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HLLS Links
« on: November 18, 2014, 05:07:35 AM »
Hi there!

Seems this field of HLLS here needs some help to get born  :)

Lately I have dived into the depths of HLLS. Here are links to some other freak´s websites:


Try and compare with other ways of divination!

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Re: HLLS Links
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2014, 05:35:23 AM »
Thanks for kickstarting this section. Young forum like this one needs you!

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    « Reply #2 on: November 18, 2014, 09:57:24 AM »
    Metatronos,

    Great to see you here!!!

    Looking forward to your voice & contributions.

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    Re: HLLS Links
    « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2014, 02:51:41 PM »
    Don't trust http://www.hall-of-man.com/ too much. Read this http://www.yjcn.nl/serendipity/archives/120-The-Fall-of-Man.html . The author of the website has flawed ideas about the calculations for True Local Time.

    BTW, an English version of my Dutch Heluo Lishu (http://www.yjcn.nl/wp-nl/yijing-astrologie2/) book is in the making.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 18, 2014, 09:35:55 PM »
    @hmesker

    welcome and congrats to your book project. Please update us when your book is available.

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    « Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 05:03:49 AM »
    Don't trust http://www.hall-of-man.com/ too much. Read this http://www.yjcn.nl/serendipity/archives/120-The-Fall-of-Man.html . The author of the website has flawed ideas about the calculations for True Local Time.

    That´s true - correct time is absolutely necessary as firm basis for any form of calculation / divination.

    That´s one of the nice things about HLLS: Simply take the Bazi = 8 characters of the chinese calender you might have calculated anyway. So the basis is really the same as in Bazi!
    The difference: instead of looking for interactions / shi shen and so on you "simply" take the 8 characters in "raw format" and numerologically transform it into hexagrams.

    I find that really fascinating: It shows you other facets of the same person. Great!

    And in a way it´s so simple...  ;)

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    « Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 05:07:59 AM »
    By the way - thanks a lot for the warm welcome!  :)

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    « Reply #7 on: November 19, 2014, 05:24:23 AM »
    Don't trust http://www.hall-of-man.com/ too much. Read this http://www.yjcn.nl/serendipity/archives/120-The-Fall-of-Man.html . The author of the website has flawed ideas about the calculations for True Local Time.

    Speaking about the very important topic "True Local Time":

    My favourite to calculate it is the free program to be found at http://www.relativedata.com/time-zone-master.

    It has only one problem - doesn´t run on Mac  ;D

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    « Reply #8 on: November 19, 2014, 11:52:44 AM »
    take the 8 characters in "raw format" and numerologically transform it into hexagrams.

    Can you give an example, converting bazi to hexagrams and interpretation?

    Thanks...
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    « Reply #9 on: November 25, 2014, 04:55:42 AM »
    Hi all,

    To get your birth hexagrams go to:

    http://pp.qg108.com/hl.asp (this one is from the old fivearts forum, from Harmen Mesker)
    http://cesuan.fututa.com/zhouyiyuncheng/

    Both online HLLS(Heluo Lishu) calculators take Li Chun( 4-5 feb.) as the start of the (solar) year.

    Another alternative is to download the "four pillars of wisdom" software:

    http://astrologyofiching.com/

    This software is based on the book "The Astrology of Ï Ching" by W.A. Sherrill and W.K. Shu.
    Interpretations are also included for those who don't have this book.
    Important to mention is that this software take the Winter Solstice(21-22 dec.) as the start of the year. This means that the birthdates between the Winter Solstice and Li Chun will have different birth hexagrams than those calculated from the two online calculators (above).

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    « Reply #10 on: November 25, 2014, 05:12:36 AM »
    Important to mention is that this software take the Winter Solstice(21-22 dec.) as the start of the year. This means that the birthdates between the Winter Solstice and Li Chun will have different birth hexagrams than those calculated from the two online calculators (above).

    That´s a very important fact when doing calendar calculation or using calculators to change western into chinese calendar: Always check what rules apply!!!

    According to Harmen´s research in original chinese texts there seems to be no hint to choose Winter Solstice for HLLS as the beginning of the year - unlike mentioned in the book "The Astrology of Ï Ching" by W.A. Sherrill and W.K. Shu.
    It seems that they invented some "new ways" to do HLLS. Which is a nice and creative thing - but it would have been even nicer when they would have mentioned what was according to original sources and what was their own addition.

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    « Reply #11 on: November 25, 2014, 11:59:36 PM »
    Yes, it is very strange that the authors did not cite any sources in their book.
    More interesting is that they did mention in their other book "An Anthology of I Ching" on page 117:

    "We ourselves feel that the weight of evidence indicates that it is best to use the winter solstice for I ching astrology, and Spring Begins(Li-Chun) when making predictions by the Tzu Pin( Ziping BaZi) method."

    But where is the evidence that led to that "feel"? The nature of "that evidence" is even more interesting. No further explanation was given. There are no sources cited in this book.



     

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    Re: HLLS Links
    « Reply #12 on: November 26, 2014, 05:19:09 AM »
    Can you give an example, converting bazi to hexagrams and interpretation?

    Would you start by giving an example of Bazi you´d like to transform?  ;)

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    « Reply #13 on: November 26, 2014, 05:47:38 AM »
    Would you start by giving an example of Bazi you´d like to transform?  ;)

    Barack Obama - 4 August 1961 at 19:24 (= 7:24 PM ) no DST

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    « Reply #14 on: November 26, 2014, 05:52:51 AM »
    Nice try - you gave me his birth date, not his 8 characters  :)

    Sorry, but I´m too lazy to check for Barack´s birth place, time correction,......   :-\

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