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  • Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « on: August 05, 2016, 01:09:39 PM »
    Contrary to this thread, I would like to list a few non-CM reasons why a person’s birthchart can be totally off even if the "correct" birthtime is given.

    *Apart from DST and other time adjustments, whether applicable or not.


    1) Querent’s relativity and subjectivity
    Once I analysed a friend’s friend’s luck for a particular year to be of great career luck and great wealth luck. Nearing end of that year, I was informed that my annual luck forecast was totally off. Of course, I had to probe for details so that I can fine-tune. He was in sales/property/insurance line (I can’t remember) and he said he was not among those top 10 or 20 in sales who were promoted to senior execs. I asked him for his monthly salary and he replied it was a 5-figure sum in SGD (a few “wans”). I remarked that was ALOT of money. He argued it barely hit 1 million a year which was said to be “common” for his industry. I assured him my forecast was still accurate and he cannot compare to others as each person’s destiny and gains this life are also linked to past life’s karma. A destiny reading doesn’t come with guarantees as due to other factors which can influence the outcomes. Even for an individual who have the same exact ZWDS chart as Bill Gates doesn’t mean he will also be as rich as him. He argued back again, if it’s not even 1 million a year and no promotion, how can it be considered as “great”. Obviously he didn’t want to understand what I was saying and I had to drop him and asked him to find another fortune-reader. His chart also showed he was highly materialistic and has an insatiable appetite for wealth. (*His birth time is correct and ZWDS chart were matching his life and needed no time adjustment)


    2) Hospital staff’s unawareness of CM practice of “first breathe”
    Giving birth is not always smooth, sometimes the baby’s head first come out of the mother’s womb, exposed to our mortal environment and started to breathe in air. But the baby’s body is still stuck in the mother’s womb for some time. From what I understand from a Bazi master, the date & time of the very first breathe the baby took will determine its destiny. But hospital staffs are not aware of this fact. To them, as long as the baby is not completely out of the womb, it’s not considered as “delivered” and the timing will not be taken. If this took place over boundary of a Chinese hour, error will occur. For example, if the baby’s head had popped out and it had already started breathing at 12:45pm but it was only delivered 30 minutes later, its birth time taken down by hospital staffs would be 1:15pm instead of the correct birthtime 12:45pm. Suggest the father or a female family member to be inside the operation room to ensure that correct birthtime is taken.


    3) Birth date & time registered wrongly
    In olden days before 1980s, it was quite common for parents to register the date of reporting the birth to be the baby’s birthdate. Then people were not aware how important it is to have the correct birth date taken down. I’ve also heard about correct birth details given by parents but due to clerical errors, the wrong date or time was registered. Especially if in the olden days where people are illiterate to English or even their own language, hence parents were unable to check if the correct birth details were registered by the hospital clerk.


    4) Parents keeping correct birthdate from querent
    Parents themselves had negative experiences with fortune-telling or feared querent would be hexed if correct birth details had fallen into hands of the wrong people. Hence they lied about the birthdate to other people (and even to querent himself/herself). This is quite rare but not impossible.


    What other reasons can you think of?
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  • Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #1 on: August 05, 2016, 08:10:42 PM »
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  • Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2016, 11:03:45 PM »
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    Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #3 on: August 06, 2016, 10:31:26 AM »
    Thats why it's important to develop psychic power, haha  ;D

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  • Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2016, 10:33:07 AM »
    What bokeksiansu stated is reasonable, but it belongs in the CM area.  Here are more non-CM factors:

    5) False feedback

    A querent may intentionally provide the wrong feedback to hide the real fact. 

    For example, if a male chart owner is asked about the number of children, and he has one or more illegitimate child, then he may understate it by mentioning only the legal children.  Because he may not trust the reader 100% regarding private information, for example the reader also know his wife. 

    Some practitioners use childbirth information to ascertain the hour pillar, so this may lead to the wrong hour, and possibly misleading analysis on other aspects of life.

    6) Ignorance of their own life fact

    Different from the above, this is not intentional, but the chart owner is simply unaware.  For example, in some countries (maybe more in the past), it's easy enough to fake just the birth year of a child, so that their child can go to school one year earlier.  Some children may not know from the parents until much later, sometimes as late as their adult life.

    Even when they have found out, beware.  Out of their ignorance, they just give you the "official" birth year on their ID card.  The date, month and hour may be correct, but with the wrong year, do you get the correct birth chart?

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  • Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #5 on: December 29, 2016, 03:56:47 AM »
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    « Reply #6 on: February 16, 2017, 03:07:38 PM »
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    ...........

    "What if" comes under hypothesis and cheap talks. We're consolidating concrete reasons here.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 09:59:27 PM »
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  • Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #10 on: March 18, 2017, 12:03:46 PM »
    ..........

    5) False feedback

    A querent may intentionally provide the wrong feedback to hide the real fact. 
    ...........

    Strongly agree with Jlim!

    I also noticed recently a few of the querents are actually clones/trolls. It's very easy for those clones/trolls to take any random birth date & hr and call it whatever they like (eg; millionaire, pauper, begger, roadsweeper, etc) since there is no way of verifying whether it's true or not. They self-proclaimed it's true but who knows?

    That's why I only help familiar members who have established and built a friendship with me and I know them well enough.

    If feedback is "accurate", it's ok with me.
    If feedback is "inaccurate", I just toss it out of the window. The querent may be blatantly lying and easily just pushes it to "Oh practical doesn't tally theory so learn more loh!". It's very easy to do that!

    Some members do not trust what I shared, similarly I do not trust what some members feedbacked too. Trust & respect is mutual. 8)
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  • Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #12 on: March 25, 2017, 05:20:47 AM »
    Guess this is the moment where face reading helps.
    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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  • Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #13 on: March 25, 2017, 07:11:56 AM »
    @mushroom : Heard some people are paid to get pregnant and then sell their baby away after born (mostly during the older generation period like 1960s to 1970s). What about those??

    @tyc : Plastic surgery.
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    Re: Non-CM reasons that make differences to a person’s destiny
    « Reply #14 on: March 25, 2017, 10:59:36 AM »
    @mushroom The Carrier, thats why in Bazi there are Conception and Nurture Life Stage lol.

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