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Combination 戌卯
« on: August 17, 2016, 10:10:45 PM »
In Mangpai, there are 2 "special" combination

戌卯  and 辰酉,   beside closing 戌 and 辰 tombs, they have a different purpose

戌卯 subdue 辛 inside 戌

辰酉 subdue 乙 inside 辰

For 辰酉 combination, this mean closing 癸 tomb (which support 乙), and 辰 (earth) produce 酉 (辛) to controls / subdue 乙 inside 辰.

However, for 戌卯 combination, this is a little confusing

My theory for 戌卯 is that 乙 controls 戊 and prevent 戊 from support 辛 but 戌 is a hot and dry earth, so 戌 does not support  or produce metal (辛)

The only other theory is that 乙  inside 卯 combines with 丁 inside 戌 to subdue 辛 but 戌卯 will close 丁 tomb.

Can any senior members of the forum please provide some clarification?  Thanks!


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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 10:37:38 AM »
    戌卯 subdue 辛 inside 戌
    That's right, because 辛 Xin in Xu is seen as too weak. 

    The only other theory is that 乙  inside 卯 combines with 丁 inside 戌 to subdue 辛 but 戌卯 will close 丁 tomb.
    That's right.  Yi does not combine with Ding because Mao-Xu closes Ding Tomb.

    Based on above replies of mine, there are interesting applications of Mao-Xu combination:
    -  It can mean nearsightedness
    -  It can mean problems with large intestines

    But  there are conditions for it to happen.  Configuration of the whole natal chart must be taken into account.

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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 11:18:40 AM »
    That's right.  Yi does not combine with Ding because Mao-Xu closes Ding Tomb.

    Based on above replies of mine, there are interesting applications of Mao-Xu combination:
    -  It can mean nearsightedness
    -  It can mean problems with large intestines

    But  there are conditions for it to happen.  Configuration of the whole natal chart must be taken into account.

    My friend was born 4th April 1976 at east java (probolinggo), physical skinny and not wearing glasses, smoker and good table tennis player.

    Year    Month       Day      Hour
    Bing     Xin           Bing      X
    Chen    Mao          Xu        X


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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #3 on: August 18, 2016, 02:40:12 PM »
    .....
    -  It can mean nearsightedness
    .....

    @Jlim...

    May I ask a bit more about this ....?  :-\ 

    Does the above result mean physical eye status, short-sighted eye and needing glasses, right? .... not about performance like no vision in seeing or predicting business prospect ... or something like that....


    @slametbing ....

    Would you mind sharing some more info about your friend? ....  :-\

    Is he (or she?) a professional table tennis player? Seriously joining tournaments, or sort of ...

    I just see Bing-Fire Parallel at Year Stem of his chart, sitting above Chen-Dragon, has harmful relationship with Month Branch. On the contrary, his Day Pillar seems to have combination with entire Month Pillar of Wealth above Resource.

    Therefore, I guess that he should often win competitions and win the prize if any ....  :-\
    Do not overestimate power of destiny ....

    It cannot govern the way you choose to feel contented with what you are destined for....

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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #4 on: August 18, 2016, 04:40:37 PM »
    Hi @decha_woo

    I'll answer in PM

    Thanks

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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #5 on: August 18, 2016, 05:13:16 PM »
    Hi @decha_woo

    I'll answer in PM

    Thanks

    Up to your discretion, then, slametbing ....  :)

    Actually, that's the only obvious aspect of the chart that I could see .... nothing more .... so, I ask for info to help my understanding ....
    Do not overestimate power of destiny ....

    It cannot govern the way you choose to feel contented with what you are destined for....

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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #6 on: August 18, 2016, 06:05:26 PM »
    My friend was born 4th April 1976 at east java (probolinggo), physical skinny and not wearing glasses, smoker and good table tennis player.

    Year    Month       Day      Hour
    Bing     Xin           Bing      X
    Chen    Mao          Xu        X

    Hmm, curious about this one, is he/she can easily keep money or not? i see that two bing is fighting to combine with xin

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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #7 on: August 18, 2016, 07:51:21 PM »
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    Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #8 on: August 18, 2016, 10:22:01 PM »
    Hello Jlim

    Thank you for your insight. 

    The reason I brought up the topic of 戌卯 combination is because the day pillar is




    so for 甲 DM, 卯 (Luck pillar) is yang blade / goat knife that combines with Day Branch (spouse palace) and spouse star (戌)

    I am trying to figure out what images would produce from this combination. 

    Puppylove wrote:

    "Combine with the Day Branch (Spouse Palace), it triggers the Palace (Palace trigger/arrival). Palace is Spouse Palace, so it is possible to marry at this period of time."

    What happened if the chart owner has already married?  Does this mean 2nd marriage?

    Combination means "trying to obtain, bring closer, the desire to protect" so 戌卯 combination means spouse obtains / trying to get power / status / authority???

    Can you please assist?


    戌卯 subdue 辛 inside 戌
    That's right, because 辛 Xin in Xu is seen as too weak. 

    The only other theory is that 乙  inside 卯 combines with 丁 inside 戌 to subdue 辛 but 戌卯 will close 丁 tomb.
    That's right.  Yi does not combine with Ding because Mao-Xu closes Ding Tomb.

    Based on above replies of mine, there are interesting applications of Mao-Xu combination:
    -  It can mean nearsightedness
    -  It can mean problems with large intestines

    But  there are conditions for it to happen.  Configuration of the whole natal chart must be taken into account.

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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #9 on: August 19, 2016, 02:41:35 PM »
    I don't know that much about mangpai theories but 卯戌 combination in traditional bazi. Is that this combination creates a atmosphere of Fire. Thus Earth is not harmed if this combination happens.
    辛 is weakened but not destroyed. I usually see more eye-problems when it is a 卯辰 harm rather then 卯戌 combo especially if 辰 is inbetween 卯 and 戌 here 癸 gets extremely damaged.
    癸 represents the eyes or the moisture in the eyes that keeps the eyes healthy when it becomes dry will cause eye problems. This is elemental perspective and depending on the 10god that 癸 represents
    can also cause separation from that relative. I have a friend with this combination and 癸 is 偏财 he always had bad relationship with father, Father remarried and lives far away from him. Also has eye problems far-sighted and near-sighted.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 19, 2016, 07:39:04 PM »
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    Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #11 on: August 19, 2016, 09:38:25 PM »
    Hi Vroya

    Let me try to give a quick and dirty analyzation of the provided chart.  However, the hour pillar is missing so the analysis will be limited.

    Bing-Xu is a stable pillar, so it can be treated as 1 image which represent the DM

    The intention of DM (Bing) is to obtain Xin (Wealth).  Xin is in the guest position, Xin sitting on Mao is unstable.  Mao (resource) combine with Day Branch (Xu) to sudue Xin metal.  So it aligned with the intention of DM.

    However, Chen harm/ pierce Mao and clashes with Xu.  This in my opinion would spoil the image by breaking Mao-Xu combination.  Can any seniors please confirm / correct this statement?

    So to answer your question, he/she will have hard time keeping the money.

    My friend was born 4th April 1976 at east java (probolinggo), physical skinny and not wearing glasses, smoker and good table tennis player.

    Year    Month       Day      Hour
    Bing     Xin           Bing      X
    Chen    Mao          Xu        X

    Hmm, curious about this one, is he/she can easily keep money or not? i see that two bing is fighting to combine with xin
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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #12 on: August 21, 2016, 05:56:28 PM »
    Hi @jellynut
    That is quite interesting, because i am a also a practitioner of Yoga. In Hatha(Ha=Sun Tha=Moon) Yoga the left eye represents the Moon and the right eye represents the Sun.
    The left part of the body represents the feminine Yin Shiva energy, The right side represents the Masculine Yang Shakti energy.
    Through Yoga and especially pranayama(Breath Control) or in China (Qi Gong). It is possible to balance these two energies and also through yoga practice (Asana,Pranayama,Meditation).
    It is said to be able to purify and balance the Nadi's which is energy points believed to be within the body. The Nadi's also represent the 5 visible planets and the two shadow planets of Rahu and Ketu.
    That is why i always recommend practice of Yoga to people because it can change/purify the karma's and pacify the planetary energies effecting us.
    This in turn will change or i can even say alter the fates for the better.

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  • Re: Combination 戌卯
    « Reply #13 on: August 21, 2016, 11:34:43 PM »
    My friend was born 4th April 1976 at east java (probolinggo), physical skinny and not wearing glasses, smoker and good table tennis player.

    Year    Month       Day      Hour
    Bing     Xin           Bing      X
    Chen    Mao          Xu        X
    Hi bro slametbing,

    DM is obtaining Xin Wealth. But Mao is drawing Xin out from Xu.
    It is a contradiction. Against what DM is doing. DM is collecting, but Mao is drawing out wealth.
    So who is Mao?
    Above Mao is HS Xin. This Xin protruded from Xu Spouse Palace. Mao+Xu can combine. So this Mao is the spouse star in EB.
    Another problem is Mao obtain Chen. HS also same Xin+Bing combine. But this Year Bing is another person.
    Your friend problem is her wife.
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