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    « on: November 17, 2016, 08:21:04 PM »
    Hi everybody,

    I need some help with one chart, he is very good friend of mine and this year he had so many misfortunes, just to name few:

    Broke two ribs
    Broke a finger
    Fell down and broke shoulder
    (All these are separate events)
    Went camping, got bedbugs
    Business partner cheated him and he end up paying a lot of insurance bills for him.

    He's been working on one project for me, but couldn't deliver anything, due to all these troubles.

    What I can see is Dog/Goat/Ox bullying combo, but I wonder what is happening this particular year? Could it be that Bing (7 Killings) is causing all these troubles?

    It just seems extreme.

    thx in advance
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    « Reply #1 on: November 17, 2016, 08:48:11 PM »
    Hi everybody,

    I need some help with one chart, he is very good friend of mine and this year he had so many misfortunes, just to name few:

    Broke two ribs
    Broke a finger
    Fell down and broke shoulder
    (All these are separate events)
    Went camping, got bedbugs
    Business partner cheated him and he end up paying a lot of insurance bills for him.

    He's been working on one project for me, but couldn't deliver anything, due to all these troubles.

    What I can see is Dog/Goat/Ox bullying combo, but I wonder what is happening this particular year? Could it be that Bing (7 Killings) is causing all these troubles?

    It just seems extreme.

    thx in advance

    Everything falls in Chen except Gui, Chen is open.
    With the new luck pillar and this specific year, 2 things happen...

    Year Bing / Shen comes... With Luck Pillar Ji / Mao if I get it right?

    So looking at branches we have 2 things that happen... Shen makes Water frame closing Chen. Access to everything is cut off, only thing left is Chen that is swallowing everything including the DM itself.
    Xu is still clashing Chen, something that arcs do not like...

    Mao is forming a Harm/Pierce to Chen. Changing polarity and attacking the only thing that is there - Chen...

     Next year Chen will still be closed, this time from You... And Mao in luck pillar would still be attacking it... A little different but same idea...
    Then you will have Ding attacking the only thing that doesn't fall in Chen, and that is Gui... May be problem with kid or something...

    Just my opinion... A lot more people can give it a try, in my view lots of problems but big ones are Mao in LP, and Shen in Annual. Next year it will still be problem this time from You instead of Shen.

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    « Reply #2 on: November 17, 2016, 09:13:52 PM »
    Thx @Owlbear

    can't believe all that trouble because of Dragon hour. I usually don't focus so much on an hour because I'm never 100% sure if it's correct.

    I thought Monkey combining with Dragon will increase water and reduce earth, which is positive in his case, but obviously I don't know enough how tombs are working.
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    « Reply #3 on: November 17, 2016, 09:22:09 PM »
    Woah, another Geng-Xu :D

    Most of his injuries are on limbs, probably because of chen-xu (rib, mostly near the heart area), wei-chou(finger, Gui inside the chou)

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    « Reply #4 on: November 17, 2016, 09:28:41 PM »
    The idea is that the earth comes at the end of season to take away some type of element... In Chen's case that is water, but it's also Tomb of Earth, and that means that other Tombs can fall in it...

    So Metal falls in Chou, but Chou falls in Chen...
    Chen can eat everything hehe... As in this case here...

    That is Mang Pai, though... Some people that are better at it can check... This is just surface view, but seems somewhat clear...
    « Last Edit: November 17, 2016, 09:43:20 PM by Owlbear »

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    « Reply #5 on: November 18, 2016, 12:48:12 AM »
    The idea is that the earth comes at the end of season to take away some type of element... In Chen's case that is water, but it's also Tomb of Earth, and that means that other Tombs can fall in it...

    So Metal falls in Chou, but Chou falls in Chen...
    Chen can eat everything hehe... As in this case here...

    That is Mang Pai, though... Some people that are better at it can check... This is just surface view but seems somewhat clear...

    I wonder in his case, he has all 4 graveyards, so basically no matter which year, the chart will react, either through a clash or through combination, which basically opens up the tomb, causing all kind of problems. Seems extremely unstable.

    He is a nice guy, but he has a problem with depression and procrastination, which is not surprising considering such large amount of earth and resources. But I thought he is going through wood LP so things might be better... but not really.
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    « Reply #6 on: November 18, 2016, 05:43:30 AM »
    Hi Owlbear,

    I have a little confuse about your analysis. Chen clash Xu in the chart, so all hidden element from Chen & Xu that DM may obtain isn't ? Next year, You combine Chen, so Chen tomb is close. all stem and other banch fall in Chen tomb?
    Is it correct ?

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    « Reply #7 on: November 18, 2016, 06:18:33 AM »
    Weell... As I understand it, it's more of a potential... Initially they don't fall, since they are open... But they fall in and out when different things trigger combinations and clashes with the Tombs...

    So under normal circumstances all in Chen and Xu is available.
    Geng and Yi combination is closing Chou. Metal are the gods within and in connection with the Tomb they are making combination, that is enough to close it.
    So when we have arrival for Geng or Yi, Tomb is closed and will fall in Chen, while if we have arrival for the other earth branches(Xu and Wei) it will be open because of the punishment/clash.

    Metal falls in Chou, no matter what happens.
    Some of the time that metal will be accessible, some won't(depending if it's open or not).

    Counts for all of them.
    So the moment something combines with any Tomb except Chen it will close and fall in Chen. Not a big problem usually, because Chen is open. That is until this year... Shen + Chen is water arc - enough to close Chen, next year You will close not only Chen but also Chou.

    He did had stuff like that before, but now it comes with Mao<>Chen harm from the new luck pillar, whatever is lost in Chen, now will be also harmed by Mao...
    « Last Edit: November 18, 2016, 06:46:04 AM by Owlbear »

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    « Reply #8 on: November 18, 2016, 03:38:23 PM »
    Just try

    May be because 3 tombs became closed, His health and mind are really affected.
    Mao harms Chen, closed chen tomb.
    Mao-Xu, closed xu tomb.
    Mao-Wei, closed wei tomb.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 18, 2016, 06:39:54 PM »
    Just try

    May be because 3 tombs became closed, His health and mind are really affected.
    Mao harms Chen, closed chen tomb.
    Mao-Xu, closed xu tomb.
    Mao-Wei, closed wei tomb.

    Yes, a lot of things are happening in his chart, so no wonder he has such extreme year. 4 tombs in one chart is really challenging, have to say.
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    « Reply #10 on: November 19, 2016, 12:29:18 AM »
    Hi Owlbear,

    I still have some questions about tomb in this chart. 

    1) if Shen or You of 10 years LP arrive in the future, will it cause a more
    serious injury or even death of the person ? Because you mention
    only Gui stem does not fall in Chen but DM and other stems and branch
    fall into the Chen tomb.

    2) Why Gui does not fall into Chen when You or Shen year combine to Chen?
    Is it because Chen is water tomb already have hidden element Gui inside ?

    Regards,
    Liv02

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    « Reply #11 on: November 19, 2016, 02:14:28 AM »
    Hi Owlbear,

    I still have some questions about tomb in this chart. 

    1) if Shen or You of 10 years LP arrive in the future, will it cause a more
    serious injury or even death of the person ? Because you mention
    only Gui stem does not fall in Chen but DM and other stems and branch
    fall into the Chen tomb.

    2) Why Gui does not fall into Chen when You or Shen year combine to Chen?
    Is it because Chen is water tomb already have hidden element Gui inside ?

    Regards,
    Liv02

    1.I think it will bring problems again, injury I think may be from Mao, though. Falling in Tomb seems to cut off things, however it can also be looked as movement in the chart, so it isn't necessarily bad in my opinion. It is bad when he is used to use the Tombs in a specific way, and that is changing, like it is this year. And would be if we sees them enough in LP, probably. Of course, if the Tomb is hospital it will bring injury, but other then that, it's not a sure thing in my view. But so much falling in 1 Tomb, and that Tomb in harm with the LP, seems to make sense to show up with problems.

    Next year, however, there is Ding in stems too, and that is noble element for Geng(that isn't mang pai, but works for me). So on the outside it won't look as bad as it will be deep below.

    2.The way I think it worked, we can think of it as weight. It's for that element in that chart, so in our case we have weight of Metal and of Water in the chart.
    Stems are lighter then branches and yang branches are heavier then yin branches.
    So if we have a stem and it's Tomb it won't fall in it. However if we have 2 or more stems of that element they will fall(all of them) because the overall element in the chart is enough.

    If we have Yin branch it won't fall right away, it will form a combination with it's Tomb. So in this case, if it was You <> Chou, it would form part of Metal frame, it won't fall in Tomb. However if we have You, You , Chou - all will fall, it's more then one, so gets heavier enough to drag all of it into the Tomb.
    And if we have yang branch, even one is enough to fall in it dragging all else with it.

    So in short - 2 of that element will lead to everything falling. 1 stem or yin branch isn't enough to fall, 1 yang branch is.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 19, 2016, 06:18:11 AM »
    Hi everybody,

    I need some help with one chart, he is very good friend of mine and this year he had so many misfortunes, just to name few:

    Broke two ribs
    Broke a finger
    Fell down and broke shoulder
    (All these are separate events)
    Went camping, got bedbugs
    Business partner cheated him and he end up paying a lot of insurance bills for him.

    He's been working on one project for me, but couldn't deliver anything, due to all these troubles.

    What I can see is Dog/Goat/Ox bullying combo, but I wonder what is happening this particular year? Could it be that Bing (7 Killings) is causing all these troubles?

    It just seems extreme.

    thx in advance

    Chen is tomb of chou, xu and wei. Chou or wei on their own enter Chen tomb. But chou clash wei so they don't enter Chen tomb. Xu doesn't enter Chen tomb as it clashes with Chen. So none enter Chen tomb. Geng enters chou tomb.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 19, 2016, 05:20:26 PM »
    Here is how the chart works : DM produces Gui Output to produce Yi Wealth. At the same time, the chart has a strong gang of Metal, Water and wet Earth gang that controls dry Earth Xu and Wei .

    Geng Chen LP was good, because this LP complied with the work processes in the natal chart.

    But Ji Mao LP is not good : Mao combines with Wei and Xu, the Branches that the chart intends to control are instead combined! And the Branch that the chart wants to use, Chen, is now "rejected" by Mao harming it. Chen represents body in this chart, which led to bad health or injuries.

    Bing Shen year : the problem is more due to Shen than Bing. Bing as Qi Sha can be overcome by Gui. But Shen combines to move Mao, the bad guy. This combination is called An He or hidden combination, used a lot in Mangpai but neglected by some traditional schools.

    And why the injuries this year instead of other years? Shen is Lu 禄,which also represents body. Lu is a concept also used in Shen Sha or Symbolic Stars, but in Mangpai this concept is expanded and refined further.
    « Last Edit: November 19, 2016, 06:19:24 PM by Jlim »

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    « Reply #14 on: November 21, 2016, 04:39:23 PM »
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