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    « on: December 05, 2016, 08:25:34 PM »
    八字算兄弟姐妹个数的几种方法
    How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
     
    以下披露一些测算方法,供大家研究参考。这些东西都曾经被奉为江湖秘诀!
    These are [pro-claimed by author] to be trade secrets!
     
    1i、时辰法
    1i. Hour branch method:

    此法流传最广,而准确率不高。经我验证,在时辰是四库时,其准确率很低。歌诀:
    This method is the broadest and accuracy is not that high. From [author’s] experience, if the Hour branch is any of the tombs, accuracy is the lowest. When Hour branch is:
    a) 子午卯酉兄弟多,旺时能过席半桌。(5个以上)
    a) Any of the Flowers of Romance, when it is strong, person has many siblings. (5 and above)
    b) 寅申巳亥三四个,最弱不能少两个。(2到4个)
    b) Any of the Travelling Horses, when it is weak, person has some siblings (2–4)
    c) 辰戌丑未独一个,若有多者也夭折。
    c) Any of the Tombs, person has only 1 sibling. If there are more than 1 sibling, they would have pre-mature death.

    1ii、在最近面世的标价千元的盲师派断命函授资料里,有一个近似的诀,也介绍给大家:
    1ii. Special method from Blindman sect:

    a) 子午时,一般1个,身旺2个
    a) Zi or Wu hour branch = 1 sibling normally. But if Daymaster is strong, 2 siblings.
    b) 卯酉时,一般2个,身旺4个
    b) Mao or You hour branch = 2 siblings normally. But if Daymaster is strong, 4 siblings.
    c) 寅申巳亥,一般3个,身旺5个
    c) Yin, Shen, Si, or Hai hour branch = 3 siblings normally. But if Daymaster is strong, 4 siblings.
    d) 辰戌丑未独一个,再多则是大三岁以外不挨肩。
    d) Chen, Xu, Chou or Wei hour branch = 1 sibling normally. But if person has more than 1 sibling, they would have wide age gap of more than 3 years old.
     
    2、月令法:
    2. Month branch method:

    此法尚较为隐秘,有一定准确度,尤其是算现存的兄弟数目。今将其诀法首次公开:
    歌诀:
    This method has certain level of accuracy:
    “阳日顺排阴逆数,长生数到月支处。
    “Yang day clockwise, yin day anti-clockwise, from Birth lifestage count no. of branch to Month branch. (Refer to respective Day master column in Lifestage table)
    再加天干之比劫,印衰减半印旺足。”
    Add no. of Frd element in stems. If Resource element is strong divide by 2. If Resource element is weak, that is the no. of sibling.”
     
    3、十神法
    3. Ten Deities method:

    此属于某派密传,歌诀如下:
    Secret method as below:
    a) 天透地藏皆为一,一禄加二二禄一(意思是,一个禄算2个数目,二禄则只算1个)。
    a) 1 Salary star = 2 siblings, 2 Salary stars = 1 sibling.
    b) 男命羊刃三四个,女命羊刃四三加(男命一羊刃3个,二羊刃4个;女命一羊刃4个,二羊刃3个)。
    b) For male person, 1 Ram Knife = 3 siblings, 2 Ram Knife = 4 siblings. For female person, 1 Ram Knife = 4 siblings, 2 Ram Knife = 3 siblings.
    c) 男命纯阴限六人,女命纯阴只三数。
    c) For male person, all stems & branchs are yin = 6 siblings. For female person, 3 siblings.


    其他看兄弟姐妹多少的断语
    Other methods I translate later, or some members who are free, feel free to help translate... Members with better methods, feel generous to share too! ;D
    (一)
    1、柱中比肩多兄弟多,劫财多姐妹多。
    2、比劫如林,兄弟姐妹成群。
    3、比劫多而生旺,兄弟姐妹多,逢衰则少。
    4、身旺又带印,兄弟姐妹必多。
    5、日主弱,月柱印旺,兄弟多。
    6、日主弱,无比劫,以印计兄弟数量。
    7、身旺财轻,兄弟姐妹多。
    8、父母或比劫遇长生帝旺之地,兄弟姐妹必加倍。
    9、从月柱上分析,男命以月干为兄弟,月支为姐妹,女命反之,旺则多,衰则少。
     
    (二)
    1、男命八字纯阴,兄弟成群限6人(或者无姐无妹)。
    2、女命八字纯阴,姐妹不足限3人,无兄弟。
    3、男命中一刃加3,二刃加4。即是说八字中有一刃兄姐妹数目加3个,有二刃加4个。
    4、女命中一刃加4,二刃加3,三刃加2,兄弟姐妹十半生。
    5、日主无根,有姐无弟,或者无兄有妹。
    6、日主无根,月带劫财、年月冲、时带杀,独自一人,兄弟姐妹全无。
    7、比透为兄长,比劫藏为姐妹。
    8、女命比藏为姐,三会合比肩为姐,劫透为兄,劫藏为弟,比透为妹,劫透为姐。
    9、一禄加二,二禄加一。
    10、命局有合冲兄弟姐妹数目相对增加或减少。
    11、身旺、印旺、兄弟姐妹必多。
    12、印旺、财衰、定有隔房弟妹。
    13、身旺、劫弱、弟妹定寿夭。
    提示:点断兄弟姐妹数目多少,如果结合十断十准。
    男透比肩为兄弟,劫财为姐妹。
    女逢比肩为姐妹,劫财为兄弟。
    比多兄弟多,劫多姐妹多。
    禄刃为兄弟姐妹。
     
    八字看兄弟多少
     
    关于兄弟姐妹多少的生辰八字查询中,滴天髓云:“兄弟谁废与谁兴,提用财神看重轻。”又注云:“劫财、比肩、羊刃、皆兄弟也,要在提纲之神,与财神喜神较其重轻:财官弱,三者显其攘夺之迹,兄弟必强,财官旺,三者出其助主之功,兄弟必美;身与财官两平,而三者伏而不出,兄弟必贵;比肩重而伤官财杀亦旺者,兄弟必富;身弱而三者不显,有印,而兄弟必多;身旺而三者又显,无官,而兄弟必衰。”由此可知欲论兄弟姊妹,是以比肩,劫财为中心,然后兼看月柱以判断之。以下整理兄弟姊妹之一般看法。
     
    兄弟众多者:
    1、天干见比劫透干者,必有兄弟,天干比劫在三,则兄弟数量超过三(此款大部分能应验,少部分不验〕。
    2、日主弱令,支有印之库地,支再见刃,兄弟很多。
    3、日主通根月令〔印星或比劫〕比劫之气旺盛者,一般而言多表示兄弟众多。
    4、日主弱但印旺提纲者,亦有兄弟。
    5、日主虽不得令,但命局内印比多者亦主兄弟多。
    6、比劫喜扶而能得扶,欲抑而能得抑者,亦表示兄弟众多。
     
    无兄弟或兄弟少者:
    1、一般而言,四柱之内不见比劫者多表无兄弟或兄弟少或无助益。
    2、比劫喜扶而不得扶,欲抑而不得抑者,亦主兄弟少。
    3、比劫逢冲剋者,无手足,或手足,有损或兄弟不睦或病弱。
    4、原命兄弟无缘十二明兆(犯月重,犯年轻〕,摘自刘金仙著《图解八字宝鑑》,武陵出版〕
    ①甲日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“甲申”或“庚申”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ②乙日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“乙酉”或“辛酉”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ③丙日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“丙子”或“壬子”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ④丁日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“丁亥”或“癸亥”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ⑤戊日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“戊寅”或“甲寅”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ⑥己日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“己卯”或“乙卯”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ⑦庚日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“庚寅”或“丙寅”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ⑧辛日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“辛卯”或“丁卯”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ⑨壬日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“癸未”或“丙午”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ⑩癸日生人,于年柱或月柱,见“癸未”或“丙午”者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ⑪比、劫于原命变成病神,月柱干支主副星重迭正印或偏印者,无兄弟,有亦散离。
    ⑫比、劫皆坐落墓、绝(空亡者,兄弟同胞夭亡,有兄弟亦生离死别。或日月两柱之字,干同而支冲,亦是无兄弟之命造组织。
    以上就是生辰八字查询看兄弟姐妹多少的详解。
     
    看兄弟姐妹个数的口决
     
    (一)
    兄弟数目秉天地
    先观自身旺衰基
    身旺官杀论手足
    身衰比劫印枭齐
    数目不投君莫急
    相合五行未算里
    中和偏极认常理
    只取比劫做兄弟
    此诀正五行与纳音五行兼论,这是诀里的真机。此法对于辅助判断日主衰旺及确定出生时辰有极大的用处。但各位需注意,盲师所论的日主衰旺与正常人用通根等理所论之衰旺是不一样的,特作此说明。
     
    (二)
    兄弟姐妹看四柱,同类五行为手足。
    天干地支都在内,支藏人元也算数。
    刑冲穿克往下减,合化五行要看住。
    不算人元也可以,纳音同类论手足。
    男命比肩为兄弟,劫财姐妹不差数。
    女命比肩为姐妹,劫财兄弟是手足。
     
    (三)
    男顺女逆查宫位,年上起月往前数。
    数到生月起生日,日起初一生日住。
    生日起时从子始,数到时辰就打住。
    落宫为何仔细看,不计节令断个数。
    子午卯酉席半桌,寅申巳亥三四数。
    辰戌丑未独一个,兄弟姐妹此中出。

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    Re: How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
    « Reply #1 on: December 05, 2016, 08:39:11 PM »
    This is very accurate, others just so-so

    2. Month branch method:
    此法尚较为隐秘,有一定准确度,尤其是算现存的兄弟数目。今将其诀法首次公开:
    歌诀:
    This method has certain level of accuracy:
    “阳日顺排阴逆数,长生数到月支处。
    “Yang day clockwise, yin day anti-clockwise, from Birth lifestage count no. of branch to Month branch. (Refer to respective Day master column in Lifestage table)
    再加天干之比劫,印衰减半印旺足。”
    Add no. of Frd element in stems. If Resource element is strong divide by 2. If Resource element is weak, that is the no. of sibling.”

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  • Re: How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
    « Reply #2 on: December 05, 2016, 08:41:07 PM »
    @chary : Refreshing to see affirming replies. ;D
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  • Re: How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
    « Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 12:40:14 AM »
    Continued....

    (一)
    1、柱中比肩多兄弟多,劫财多姐妹多。
    1. In Four Pillars, many Frds means more brothers, many RW means more sisters.
    2、比劫如林,兄弟姐妹成群。
    2. Many Parallels = many siblings.
    3、比劫多而生旺,兄弟姐妹多,逢衰则少。
    3. Many Parallels and they are strong = many siblings; if they are weak, few siblings.
    4、身旺又带印,兄弟姐妹必多。
    4. Strong DM with Resource = many siblings.
    5、日主弱,月柱印旺,兄弟多。
    5. Weak DM with strong Resource in Month Pillar = many siblings.
    6、日主弱,无比劫,以印计兄弟数量。
    6. Weak DM without Parallels, calculate no. of siblings using Resource.
    7、身旺财轻,兄弟姐妹多。
    7. Strong DM with few Wealth = many siblings.
    8、父母或比劫遇长生帝旺之地,兄弟姐妹必加倍。
    8. Resource or Parallel encountering Birth or Prosperity Peak lifestage = many siblings.
    9、从月柱上分析,男命以月干为兄弟,月支为姐妹,女命反之,旺则多,衰则少。
    9. For male person, Month Stem is brother, Month Branch is sister. For female person, it's reverse. Strong = more siblings, weak = few siblings.
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  • Re: How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
    « Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 06:48:32 AM »
    So Cool!  Quite accurate :)

    1ii、在最近面世的标价千元的盲师派断命函授资料里,有一个近似的诀,也介绍给大家:
    1ii. Special method from Blindman sect:
    d) 辰戌丑未独一个,再多则是大三岁以外不挨肩。
    d) Chen, Xu, Chou or Wei hour branch = 1 sibling normally. But if person has more than 1 sibling, they would have wide age gap of more than 3 years old.

    My birth hour is Gui Wei and I have a sister, 2 years younger and a younger brothers who's 11 years younger.... he was also born in a different country, lol. 

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  • Re: How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
    « Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 03:31:16 PM »
    .........

    My birth hour is Gui Wei and I have a sister, 2 years younger and a younger brothers who's 11 years younger.... he was also born in a different country, lol.

    Nice to see real life tally with theory.  :)

    Seems that CM group siblings who are born further away (in terms of age) as not part of main count.

    @chary : Some methods will work better for some charts, some methods will not work for you. CM is like that. No one method can fit all charts.
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  • Re: How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
    « Reply #6 on: December 10, 2016, 07:20:22 AM »
    .........

    My birth hour is Gui Wei and I have a sister, 2 years younger and a younger brothers who's 11 years younger.... he was also born in a different country, lol.

    Nice to see real life tally with theory.  :)

    Seems that CM group siblings who are born further away (in terms of age) as not part of main count.

    @chary : Some methods will work better for some charts, some methods will not work for you. CM is like that. No one method can fit all charts.

    To provide more background info, I think China's one child policy went into effect soon after my sister was born.  My brother was born on U.S soil a few years after my family moved to the U.S when I was 9.  At that time, my mother was already in her early 40s.  Perhaps my brother's birth was a big "maybe" since it depended on other factors, lol. 

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  • Re: How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2016, 02:22:40 PM »

    To provide more background info, I think China's one child policy went into effect soon after my sister was born.  My brother was born on U.S soil a few years after my family moved to the U.S when I was 9.  At that time, my mother was already in her early 40s.  Perhaps my brother's birth was a big "maybe" since it depended on other factors, lol.

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  • Re: How to determine number of siblings in Bazi?
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    This is only 4 persons' charts. 4 charts out of 518,400 bazi charts, only 0.0007%, not helpful to me. Unless you can test at least 250,000 bazi charts. And which country you're from? Need solar/lunar/DST/ABC/XYZ time adjustments or not? How much time it took you to do this? Sorry to say you've wasted your time.

    No need to test... Testing charts only wastes your time. CM is not science, it is also not mathematics. A thread for your reference.

    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=13883.0

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    Started by gerk89@hotmail.comBoard Si Zhu Ba Zi (SZBZ) 四柱八字

    Replies: 6
    Views: 95
    Last post July 22, 2019, 06:48:56 AM
    by gerk89@hotmail.com
    Jakasembung collected case studies with bazi birth data and analysis (compiled)

    Started by nilegemBoard Si Zhu Ba Zi (SZBZ) 四柱八字

    Replies: 0
    Views: 94
    Last post July 14, 2019, 06:31:10 PM
    by nilegem
    Bazi Rat hour

    Started by LarryBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 18
    Views: 364
    Last post July 12, 2019, 03:16:31 PM
    by Larry
    Can someone help me to read my chart using the method of Bazi, shen sha?

    Started by nilegemBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 7
    Views: 242
    Last post July 07, 2019, 10:33:08 AM
    by nilegem
    Bazi Reading for Starting a Business

    Started by sennahojwBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 6
    Views: 170
    Last post July 23, 2019, 10:14:22 PM
    by sennahojw
    Mohon di analisa bazi saya

    Started by masruri354Board Astrologi Delapan Karakter (Ba Zi)

    Replies: 0
    Views: 106
    Last post July 02, 2019, 06:46:53 PM
    by masruri354
    Mental health issues and Bazi chart

    Started by TaijimonkeyBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 2
    Views: 176
    Last post June 27, 2019, 06:24:32 PM
    by fan
    Anyone have Sherry Merchant Bazi courses?

    Started by alexvincentjBoard Si Zhu Ba Zi Knowledge Base

    Replies: 1
    Views: 108
    Last post June 26, 2019, 07:49:29 AM
    by sentosa
    Depression & Suicide in Bazi. Can you tell?

    Started by bazi newbieBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 4
    Views: 307
    Last post June 25, 2019, 05:10:00 PM
    by FlyingKite
    how to plot twins bazi chart

    Started by ngkhimBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 1
    Views: 103
    Last post June 21, 2019, 09:48:12 PM
    by ArtofFugue
    Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi

    Started by existentialistalbertBoard Blindman School (Mangpai Bazi)

    Replies: 149
    Views: 3845
    Last post July 19, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
    by Axis
    Please advise me my marriage / love luck with Bazi + ZWDS

    Started by ultimaweaponBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 16
    Views: 375
    Last post June 19, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
    by ultimaweapon
    Suhu mohon bantu analisa bazi saya . Kok sepertinya nasib saya apes terus ya

    Started by masruri354Board Analisa Nasib

    Replies: 0
    Views: 67
    Last post June 13, 2019, 04:32:07 PM
    by masruri354
    New and curious about my bazi

    Started by Andy LBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 5
    Views: 215
    Last post July 09, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
    by Andy L
    What can be said about this person personality based on Bazi

    Started by Shdqo0924Board Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 5
    Views: 214
    Last post June 19, 2019, 06:11:05 PM
    by j27945
    Please read my bazi/ zwds

    Started by donaldpywBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 6
    Views: 241
    Last post June 13, 2019, 04:07:52 PM
    by Joey
    Bazi Body palace

    Started by AdzaBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 9
    Views: 286
    Last post May 27, 2019, 11:39:59 PM
    by Adza
    Does anyone here have Joey Yap's Grow Rich with Bazi 2019?

    Started by alexvincentjBoard Si Zhu Ba Zi Knowledge Base

    Replies: 19
    Views: 577
    Last post June 19, 2019, 03:00:14 PM
    by rotiprata
    Anyone able to help read bazi/zwds?

    Started by donaldpywBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 0
    Views: 113
    Last post May 20, 2019, 03:05:24 AM
    by donaldpyw
    Bazi chart

    Started by weekianBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 20
    Views: 620
    Last post May 19, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
    by fan
    Tolong Analisa Bazi saya :D

    Started by SuiBoard Analisa Nasib

    Replies: 4
    Views: 166
    Last post May 25, 2019, 05:13:52 PM
    by Sui
    Willingly do my bazi future and personality reading?

    Started by SuiBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 7
    Views: 285
    Last post May 19, 2019, 05:42:56 PM
    by Sui
    Topic please help read bazi on business, career , countries To live, partnership

    Started by Wooden riverBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 19
    Views: 584
    Last post June 06, 2019, 07:21:21 PM
    by Wooden river
    Combination in Bazi

    Started by gentlejokerBoard Si Zhu Ba Zi Knowledge Base

    Replies: 11
    Views: 435
    Last post May 18, 2019, 09:37:43 PM
    by kuguakugua
    Bazi question

    Started by AdzaBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 1
    Views: 154
    Last post May 11, 2019, 07:51:00 PM
    by Joey
    Urgent help needed reading bazi chart, single mother needing economic suggestion

    Started by sopaBoard Request for divination [FREE]

    Replies: 6
    Views: 235
    Last post May 10, 2019, 04:20:08 AM
    by ren
    Urgent help needed reading bazi chart, single mother needing economic suggestion

    Started by sopaBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 9
    Views: 360
    Last post May 19, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
    by sopa
    Relationship, career. Need inputs, Bazi or ZWDS welcome

    Started by Shdqo0924Board Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 0
    Views: 137
    Last post May 06, 2019, 11:37:58 AM
    by Shdqo0924
    Usaha yang bisa sukses menurut petunjuk bazi chart dan zwds

    Started by ali78Board Konsultasi Terbuka

    Replies: 0
    Views: 304
    Last post May 05, 2019, 09:46:27 PM
    by ali78
    Correct Bazi Chart to use

    Started by qifengpang@hotmail.comBoard Request for birth chart reading [FREE]

    Replies: 6
    Views: 254
    Last post May 05, 2019, 05:51:28 PM
    by Chat time

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