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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #45 on: April 14, 2019, 09:08:43 PM »
    Lovers Repayment and Collection of Karmic Debts beautifully sung by Jacky Cheung!

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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #46 on: April 15, 2019, 01:31:18 AM »
    Nice song.

    But why suddenly romantic ? ::)
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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #47 on: April 15, 2019, 10:45:17 PM »
    Lovers Repayment and Collection of Karmic Debts beautifully sung by Jacky Cheung!

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    Love is over-glorified by pop songs and korean dramas!
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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #48 on: April 15, 2019, 11:14:48 PM »
    Lovers Repayment and Collection of Karmic Debts beautifully sung by Jacky Cheung!

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    Love is over-glorified by pop songs and korean dramas!

    The more I learn about the Five Arts the more I get the idea that there is very huge difference in the way the east and west view the emotions.
    In the west love often is viewed as the building block of everything. While the other emotions even anger, sadness etc. in reasonable strength are often viewed as a path to understanding one self and everyone else better.


    Lately I'm starting to get the impression in the Five Arts(more in TCM then any other) the emotions are viewed only as a disturbance of the Shen of the Heart.
    In that way as a primary cause of diseases.
    And that is fundamental difference between east and west, as even though the west also have figured out most diseases are connected to *some* of the emotions, there is also the fundamental idea that without emotions and more so love, life would be pointless.


    And I think more then 90% of the people living in the western world would agree to that view.
    Considering that it is glorified in the west, as well, however we do also have very good reason to do it in our world view.





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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #49 on: April 16, 2019, 09:17:31 AM »
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    Lately I'm starting to get the impression in the Five Arts(more in TCM then any other) the emotions are viewed only as a disturbance of the Shen of the Heart.
    In that way as a primary cause of diseases.

    ................there is also the fundamental idea that without emotions and more so love, life would be pointless.

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    Without emotions and love, plus living self-sufficiently in solitude in remote mountains/caves, that's how ancient sages spent their life.

    That is actually the best life!

    Even Master Yuan Shushan withdrew from public life to a tiny remote island to avoid calamity.


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    « Reply #50 on: April 16, 2019, 09:33:50 AM »
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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #51 on: April 16, 2019, 03:11:29 PM »
    Well, as I said - very big difference between western and eastern view here.
    Because it isn't only Chinese, Buddhism has very similar idea in many of its schools.

    Tibetan Buddhist is different, but there are other problems there...

    In the way teaching that I follow view that and to big degree the way I know it works in reality, there are steps that could be taken from Earth. No one can finish their experience here from a cave...As the people we interact with and walk together with are the support needed to go beyond... So to a big degree the steps beyond Earth experience is very much depended on our effect on the outside world...

    In that way the "cave" part of it all(as well as the highest level of Buddhism), be that symbolic or real one is viewed as what we call 5th initiation. Can't finish from there, can go in places they view as Heaven and stay there for very long time, though...

    Nothing bad about that, there isn't any development in there, however. If you can travel out of the body or just are more aware of your Hun魂 in TCM terms(that would be connection Heart<>Liver) you can see/feel them right now... Its good places...


    And someday a thought comes in, may take hundreds of years, but eventually will happen to any practitioner/soul that choose that path. "there have to be more"...
    As soon as that happens also comes the recognition only way to find more is to reincarnate once more... And in that incarnation there can be no caves, as nothing more can be learned in a cave(and that reincarnation is much more material then the other ones, as only in the middle of it all can be found the way out/beyond) something immense opens up and the soul/practitioner realizes that Buddhist heaven are just one more astral concept that is very first step of a very long path... It feels nice, but its just a resting place, on a very long path that is invisible to see from there.

    So in short - both are incomplete, in what I know, but the western view is closer to the truth. The Eastern one is profound when fully understand, however when we get it to the extreme we lose the path, as the real lessons are in the subtle play between the emotions and realizing their places perfectly. Trying to ignore them can never work out as they are the vehicle to get out of here(build the lightbody etc.)

    There are probably a few exceptions that may have used that to get all the way out, but as general paths go I wouldn't recommend it to everyone, even more so now when there is so much other ways starting to open.

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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #52 on: April 17, 2019, 05:48:13 PM »
    East or West is the same.
    You and I also the same.
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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #53 on: April 18, 2019, 02:29:08 AM »
    I very much agree.
    But that are the people, what is inside.
    What is on the surface(philosophies, teaching etc.) is very much dependent on the history that these people went through/ traditions, beliefs... And there are often differences there.

    Of course, ultimately we are all people(or if we want to encompass even more "sparks of the source"), our paths may have went through very different places, even though, of course, what is the same will always be what is actually important.

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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #54 on: June 12, 2019, 10:59:56 PM »
    Lovers Repayment and Collection of Karmic Debts beautifully sung by Jacky Cheung!

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    This song nicer! I prefer cantonese songs! :-*

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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #55 on: August 18, 2019, 07:30:26 PM »
    Knowing this concept, can one refuse to resolve karmic debt that is supposed to be resolved in this lifetime? Just don't care about relationships  ;D ? (Specifically in lover/couple context) .

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    « Reply #56 on: August 20, 2019, 11:05:14 AM »
    Knowing this concept, can one refuse to resolve karmic debt that is supposed to be resolved in this lifetime? Just don't care about relationships  ;D ? (Specifically in lover/couple context) .

    The heavier the karmic debt, the stronger the love, the more you won't say this.

    Any unresolved karma will be carried to next life.
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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #57 on: August 20, 2019, 09:56:55 PM »
    I'm interested to know what is the Karma for people who kill(ed) or help(ed) a large number of people?

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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #58 on: August 21, 2019, 10:02:59 PM »
    https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=15985.msg172597#msg172597


    *Hint: Continuously reincarnated as farm animals to be slaughtered over many lifetimes.
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  • Re: Karmic links between lovers and couples!
    « Reply #59 on: August 22, 2019, 12:59:06 AM »
    Most of the leaders in the world will definitely fall into that category. Reincarnate as animal and hopefully get slaughtered by the very people whom they slaughtered. It's certainly a good moral lesson to teach all of us.

    One obvious outcome is that reincarnation continues to produce killers and tyrants upon us.  
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