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  • Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « on: February 14, 2017, 01:42:37 PM »
    Hello members, I'd like to share with you one of my recent LYYG divination.

    Few days ago I received an email from the Administrator of this board notifying that there are a few CM courses available and one of them is King Wen's Divination.

    King Wen's Divination is one of my favorite subject in CM because I get to frequently practice this art. Obviously I'm interested to be one of the first to sign up to enjoy the discounted price, but the biggest question and fear is I don't know who is the master that will be teaching. The reason why I have doubt is because there are so many so-called masters or teachers out there which isn't quite qualified/capable.

    One of the guidelines in this course is we won't know who is the master that will be doing the teaching because the course is translated by the Administrator. So to get more details, I use King Wen's divination (ironic isn't it?).

    After looking at the hexagram, I can safely say that I'm the Subject and the Object is the Administrator of this board that will be doing the translation. To support this, my birth year is Xu and the Object is Parents which means teaching. The administrator is actually the one teaching me since he's the translator.

    With both the Subject and Object as void, for diviners that follows the book rigidly would simply say it is inauspicious. Well not really...

    Subject is void which means that I am unsure or at a blur on the King Wen's divination course.
    Object is void indicates that this course isn't really available yet.

    Object Hai moves to Offspring Wu, but actually still cannot move yet because it is combined with the day branch Yin.

    When a Shen day comes, Shen clashes away Yin which will allow the Object to move. If you know the story, the admin planned to post more details about the course on the 12th but then something happened that delayed the process to today. Today is a Shen day and the course is officially announced.

    So on the 14th, a fire triangle is formed through the Subject Xu, future line 2 Wu and the hidden line 2 Yin. I paid and signed up for the course today  ;)

    Apart from that, the strong Fire triangle frame generates the Subject Xu which is me. This course is beneficial to me.

    Probably the most important detail in this hexagram is the hidden line 2 Brothers Yin.
    This is the master that will be teaching the module and is hidden under the Object which is just right since the master is never known and the course is translated by the administrator... At least we know the admin is telling the truth  ;)

    The hidden line 2 Brothers Yin is very strong and timely as it is both the day branch and month branch. This shows that the master teaching the King Wen's divination is very very good.

    Another thing is, some people may see that the Subject controls the Object which is inauspicious, but looking closer, there is actually a very smooth qi flow from Subject all the way to the master. Xu -> Shen -> You -> Hai -> Yin.

    So when will the course start? I don't see an exact date or month from the hexagram but I believe when the Object Yin being clashed away by Shen, and definitely after 5th of March when we get out of Yin month.

    I can't wait for this King Wen's divination course to get started  :)

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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #1 on: February 14, 2017, 04:51:23 PM »
    Future hexagram's six kins needs to be replotted.

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    青龙       父母戊子水 ▅▅ ▅▅      父母戊子水 ▅▅ ▅▅  
    玄武       妻财戊戌土 ▅▅▅▅▅ 世    妻财戊戌土 ▅▅▅▅▅  
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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #2 on: February 14, 2017, 07:59:58 PM »
    Thanks @ArtofFugue

    My mind is trained to recognize that the six kin of the future hexagram is based on the original hexagram.
    Just using the software for convenience. I should have included that as a note in the post.

    Thanks again for pointing it out as other people may not see it that way.

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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 09:43:31 PM »
    @ryeoh : Why is the software showing Chen hour when it is 10:11am?

    This software has so many errors.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #4 on: February 14, 2017, 09:50:05 PM »
    As for the time, it is based on calculation of the solar time.

    I'm from Malaysia and our timezone is GMT+8.
    If you refer to the world map, Malaysia should be GMT+7 instead. Well Malaysia Boleh :P
    Actually Singapore shares the same problem too.

    Here is a very good read on why is Singapore (and Malaysia) in the wrong timezone.
    http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/teaching/timezone.html

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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 09:56:17 PM »
    All my life I never use solar time and my CM readings are always accurate. No issues.

    Even in the CM chinese books (Bazi, ZWDS, Six Lines, QMDJ, etc) they never use solar time and their readings are always accurate.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #6 on: February 14, 2017, 10:20:15 PM »
    All my life I never use solar time and my CM readings are always accurate. No issues.

    Even in the CM chinese books (Bazi, ZWDS, Six Lines, QMDJ, etc) they never use solar time and their readings are always accurate.

    Yeah, this is probably one of the biggest debate in CM which I don't want to get into .
    Some schools advocate that must follow solar time while some don't.

    I remembered viewing a recent video by Joey Yap which he explains that CM is about synchronicity which is why he uses whatever time he has and doesn't need to go into the detail of calculating the solar time.

    But then I also did read that synchronicity is used for divination techniques like Plum Blossom and QMDJ but not for LYYG.
    Divination based on Plum Blossom and QMDJ can use the exact moment/time to get a hexagram or chart. That's synchronicity.
    But LYYG divination is quite different. The man communicates with Heaven to get an image by having the question in mind and throwing the coins.

    As for BaZi, I did a test and I think I'm one of the lucky ones because whether to calculate or not calculate the solar time, I am still born within the hour. So either school analyzing my BaZi would still be very accurate. I'm not really good at BaZi analysis, but from what I know, the hour pillar can tell exactly which year a person will have children. So if the hour pillar is wrong, most likely it will give the wrong year of when to expect a child.

    Back to LYYG, I think we seldom use the hour in analyzing the hexagram. So we don't really need to worry too much about that one for now...  8)

    Cheers.

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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #7 on: February 14, 2017, 11:12:29 PM »
    @ryeoh : I understand your dilemma, but this one is easy.

    One is a businessman, while the other is a grandmaster. I follow the grandmaster. 8)
    « Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 11:14:27 PM by ArtofFugue »
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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #8 on: February 16, 2017, 03:45:29 AM »
    ..........

    After looking at the hexagram, I can safely say that I'm the Subject and the Object is the Administrator of this board that will be doing the translation. To support this, my birth year is Xu and the Object is Parents which means teaching. The administrator is actually the one teaching me since he's the translator.

    With both the Subject and Object as void, for diviners that follows the book rigidly would simply say it is inauspicious. Well not really...

    .........
    Apart from that, the strong Fire triangle frame generates the Subject Xu which is me. This course is beneficial to me.

    ..........
    Another thing is, some people may see that the Subject controls the Object which is inauspicious, but looking closer.......

    Some neutral pointers and commentaries (if you don't mind):

    1. Before apprenticeship, Object should be used as Useful God and represents the teacher. Object doesn't represent Admin because Admin is middle man. Middlemans are represented by the in-between lines (the 2 lines in-between Subject and Object). Since Admin with the master, 3rd line should represent Admin.

    2. Object is moving, hence Heaven Void is nullified.

    3. Subject is weak by month & day branches, a sign of difficulties and obstacles in learning process in the beginning. Not to worry because Object moves to Wu fire which supports and combines Subject, in the end you would benefit from the learning process.

    4. No it's actually auspicious (for querent) that Subject controls Object in Apprenticeship category.


    edit: Certain categories have their own unique rules and interpretations. Try not to use general rules to apply to all categories.
    « Last Edit: February 16, 2017, 04:00:58 AM by ArtofFugue »
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  • Re: Question on King Wen Divination Course
    « Reply #9 on: February 16, 2017, 06:03:05 PM »
    Some neutral pointers and commentaries (if you don't mind):

    1. Before apprenticeship, Object should be used as Useful God and represents the teacher. Object doesn't represent Admin because Admin is middle man. Middlemans are represented by the in-between lines (the 2 lines in-between Subject and Object). Since Admin with the master, 3rd line should represent Admin.

    2. Object is moving, hence Heaven Void is nullified.

    3. Subject is weak by month & day branches, a sign of difficulties and obstacles in learning process in the beginning. Not to worry because Object moves to Wu fire which supports and combines Subject, in the end you would benefit from the learning process.

    4. No it's actually auspicious (for querent) that Subject controls Object in Apprenticeship category.


    edit: Certain categories have their own unique rules and interpretations. Try not to use general rules to apply to all categories.

    Thanks for your pointers and commentaries. I truly appreciate any of them because one may not see everything what the heavens is trying to tell us in a hexagram. Just like how I missed the correct answer for the latest guess game created by Jlim.

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