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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #15 on: November 10, 2017, 11:25:25 PM »
    Fixed the resulting hexagram, shows the other branches now as well.
    Na Yin will show up when we mouse over the stems, that will be active if we are on blindsect branches and stems.

    Looks like this:


    Link as same as before.

    In near will  make a few posts to clarify how to use some parts of the app, not sure when.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #16 on: November 11, 2017, 10:17:57 PM »
    Members asked for some documentation or how to use...
    While documentation is good idea, if someone doesn't have knowledge about any form of Yi Jing, it just can't work.

    App is made in a way that it will lend support in many situations... For example line falls into it's own Tomb after change... But similar to Puppylove scotland example based on the month that may not be a deal breaker for it... That is implemented for example... But what about if it is very supported by the day?
    Or very strong form other lines?

    All this has to be decided based on our experience in reading and how much strength we give each factor. The app can't do it for us, it is just a support tool if some interaction is overlooked or is forgotten.

    But the reading has to be from human being, it is too complicated when we get into the details(most of the time anyway), to be possible to skip that part.

    For general stuff - does our line(Ti most o fthe time) is clashed or weaken by day/month it can work for everyone, but if we want to get deeper then that we need a lot more then the app.

    However if we have some knowledge about Liu Yao and we want to use the app, here are some helpful tips.

    Will cover here how to set the Hexagram. This is middle part, we need to ask a question first, and we read the hexagram last. Setting it into the calculator is what will be used most often, since not always it is our questions we will be reading(forums/books etc.
    And there will be people that would use translation of Zhouyi and the wings, and not reading lines/trigrams.

    So this is the part that all will need.
    In the future I may post something about how to read it, there are some things that are worth noting, however it won't cover full readings since that will need books, it will just cover priority of interactions, for example if you want to see if hidden line is active, you have to click the hidden line, not the original line. Even though the original will not be active if the hidden one is. Things like that specific to the apps way of showing.


    Lets go into how to set Hexagram in the app.
    There are a few ways, based on the way we want and the situation.
    The idea is that the Hexagram shows map of the situation we ask about, with all influences and relations we need to know about to know what will happen.
    To get that map in the app we can use the following ways:


    Random Generated Hexagram:
    Probably the simplest and fastest to make. Think of a question and hit the generate button. It will try to generate random hexagram(as random as possible, still a lot more random then making from the clock as Mei Hua does).
    If we see the math involved it is very similar to how it would work with trowing coins.
    After years of use and hundreds of questions this way works very well for me and people around me even for complicated and messy situations.




    Input Hexagram Method 1
    Lets say we don't want to use programming languages "randomness". We can use coins/yarrow stalks or other ways to come up with the hexagram. Then we can input it in the app to see branches/family relations etc.

    To do that we can use Method 1.
    1.This is we click the Upper Trigram in the later heaven trigrams/number up right.
    2.Click the lower Trigram at the earlier heaven trigrams/number to set the lower one in the lower left corner of the app.
    3. Click on each changing line until it becomes arrow.

    4.If the day of asking was different can change the day(explained below).






    This method also works for hexagrams in topics or books/articles. As long as we can see the lines and the changing lines, we can click upper 3 and lower 3 and the changing lines one by one and will have same thing as what is used in the topic/book/article.

    Input Hexagram Method 2
    There are times when in forums people don't really write the whole hexagram. They just post, for example 64.5. That would mean it is 64th hexagram and changing line is 5.

    To input that and see the situation they were asking about, we can use the alternative method to input hexagram.

    1.Below the original hexagram we click the arrow down and select the number(64 in this case).
    2.Again we click the changing lines one by one until they become red arrows.
    3.As in the situations above if the day of asking was different can change the day(explained below).







    Create Hexagram from Numbers/Time

    This is usually used in Mei Hua. Since we have to preserve the calculations changing lines will always be only one.

    For that we click Alt to show up the menu(or click the label saying that) then we go
    Generate > Make Hexagram from Time



    In the next screen we have 2 approaches.
    If we have 2 numbers we set first one|(or first half of a bigger number) in the first textbox up right, then second one in lower one. That will calculate everything we need.

    So what we do...

    1.Add first number.
    2.Add second number.
    3.Click the add button to make the Hexagram.

    That makes all the calculations needed. They are shown if someone wants to learn the process. Then click add. Changing line will always be 1.




    Create Hexagram from Numbers/Time
    Creating hexagram from time is in very similar way.
    We click the time selector and select the time(it will take Hours and Minutes, as the Mei Hua approach is). Then click add to add it to the calculator. Changing line will always be 1.




    Create Hexagram from Situation
    Alt > Generate > Create Hexagram from Situation


    Now, we click upper option. That allows us to select Ti(who is doing the activity).
    Lets take the example form ArtofFugue translation before.
    Old man going southwest at specific hour is triggering feeling that there is more to it.

    1.Click the upper option.
    2.Click on the Lower Right corner, to select old man(55+ male).
    3.Now click lower option to select on what is the activity done.

    This time it is done on direction, southwest.
    4.Click Kun as Southwest.
    5.Add the hour that this happened, it will calculate it using the branches, not same as the calculations in Time/Number, but this is the way used in the classic text and this is what works for me so far.


    That should cover few different ways to input hexagrams.
    When we get to the readings we have many, many examples around the forum, and some terms like Ti and Yong there is much info in books and the net... This aren't things we can cover in "how to" from an app, this needs dedication and time to learn in my humble opinion.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #17 on: November 12, 2017, 09:50:24 PM »
    An excellent effort, thanks to the author of the software!
    A small note - another English language source is the Wen Wang correspondence course of Mr. Joseph Yu, which may be complementary in a useful way. Though there seem to be some differences in calculation methodology.

    *Added the blindsect branch to lines arrangment from ArtofFugue translation here:
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=14502.msg172297#new

    It's in the menu. There is option to allow their stem use as well, keep in mind if you haven't switch to the branches first it won't show anything.
    All of it is in "View" menu.
    View> Branches for the branches > Blindsect
    View>Additional Info on Lines> Stems(Based on blindsect)

    Link is the same as before:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/n1n4g1ili2qcazk/Gmuli%20WWG%20Calculator.exe?dl=0

    Saved the naming convention "blindsect"  or "blindman sect" as ArtofFugue used it, since I had to name it something...

    P.S. That doesn't affect the hidden lines calculations, so they won't be accurate while using it, right now.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 12:26:43 AM »
    Do you mean the familiar relations based on their own hexagram and not on the original one?




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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 12:47:26 AM »
    Do you mean the familiar relations based on their own hexagram and not on the original one?

    As far as I know, Joseph Yu uses the Six Relationships for the resulting hexagram as they are originally linked to the lines of the hexagram. However, I came to know by Harmen Mesker the correct way is to use the Five Elements from the first hexagram, and use these to label the Six Relationships in the resulting hexagram. So, if for instance Earth is Brother in the first hexagram then Earth is also Brother in the resulting hexagram. Based on my experience with his advice, I have reasons to trust him.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #20 on: November 13, 2017, 02:25:56 AM »
    I wanted to add it since the Ren's topic about the 4p app... Now seems a good time.
    Updated verison is uploaded, it is in View > Branches> Separate

    As usual link is the same.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/n1n4g1ili2qcazk/Gmuli%20WWG%20Calculator.exe?dl=0


    Since I posted the above post with the explanations about Hexagrams and how to add them, I also  added help menu. It will open the post above from this topic with the explanation for generating/input of hexagrams in the default browser.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #21 on: January 10, 2018, 03:42:20 AM »
    Was just testing something...Can't delete post, though.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #22 on: January 20, 2018, 08:15:36 PM »
    Seems like it is time for update. : )

    Symbolic stars from ArtofFugues topic here were added, also some other info.
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=15297.0

    So what we have now:
    • Added Symbolic Stars
    • Added Mei Hua Alternative Screens
    • Some bug fixes and other stuff

    First thing is we have 2 alternative Mei Hua screens now.



    Mei Hua Screen
    We can access them by hitting CTRL.
    Alternative way would be Menu > View > Main Screen > Mei Hua

    First time we hit it will show this:




    Most people probably won't be using the horizontal arrows, but long time ago I used that too, so wanted to add it.
    In here if we press A or go to Menu > Mei Hua Details > Arrows for Yin/Yang it will show arrows, up for Yang trigrams, down for Yin trigrams.



    Here we can see the middle hexagram as well. Since not everyone uses that, we have one more screen where it shows only original and result hexagram.

    To access that we either use CTRL one more time or we go to Menu>Mei Hua Details > 2 Hexagrams.



    Additional Notes:
    • App will try to see if there is only one changing line. If that is the case it will assign Ti on the Trigram that doesn't change and Yong on the other one. That won't work if there is more then one or less then one.
    • If we click any trigram it will show more info on the left as usual. That will include strength of the Trigram in the season, something most Mei Hua practitioners may find useful. : )
    • Option in Menu > Mei Hua Details will only show up if the Mei Hua screens are active, any of them.





    Symbolic Stars

    A few different ways to see this. We can see all of them or we can see only the ones that show up connected to specific line(usually branch).

    To see all of them we can go to View > Symbolic Stars
    Then click on any star to see more.



    Up on the screen it will calculate branches/stems that this applies to.

    More useful way to see it would be to use it from the lines.
    We right click the line and choose Symbolic Star for the line:



    Now, this will show same screen as the full listing of the stars, only this time it will only list the stars that apply to that line. There are usually 7-8 stars for each line.



    That should cover the most important changes.
    There are some bug fixes also and some other stuff around.

    Thats it, enjoy! : )

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #23 on: January 20, 2018, 09:32:31 PM »
    @Gmuli : An applause for your tremendous effort to make this very professional and complete app! Not only it has 12 Deities (which most Six Lines apps don't have), it also has symbolic stars (which most apps don't have too!).

    Your app is beyond professional level!

    A little suggestion: Group the stars according to category and allow people the option to select a category related to their question. So that people won't be confused over so many stars.

    Eg; Career, Wealth, Romance, Health, Legal, Missing item, etc.


    edit: Common Six Lines apps have symbolic stars but only a few.
    « Last Edit: January 20, 2018, 09:48:21 PM by ArtofFugue »
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #24 on: January 20, 2018, 09:55:44 PM »
    An excellent contribution, special thanks and respect to the author for the outstanding apps, some are even unique among other similar pieces of software ! His messages and my personal exchange with him show profound understanding even of some most intricate points. Let us wish him keep the good job ongoing!

    Seems like it is time for update. : )

    Symbolic stars from ArtofFugues topic here were added, also some other info.
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=15297.0

    So what we have now:
    • Added Symbolic Stars
    • Added Mei Hua Alternative Screens
    • Some bug fixes and other stuff

    First thing is we have 2 alternative Mei Hua screens now.



    Mei Hua Screen
    We can access them by hitting CTRL.
    Alternative way would be Menu > View > Main Screen > Mei Hua

    First time we hit it will show this:




    Most people probably won't be using the horizontal arrows, but long time ago I used that too, so wanted to add it.
    In here if we press A or go to Menu > Mei Hua Details > Arrows for Yin/Yang it will show arrows, up for Yang trigrams, down for Yin trigrams.



    Here we can see the middle hexagram as well. Since not everyone uses that, we have one more screen where it shows only original and result hexagram.

    To access that we either use CTRL one more time or we go to Menu>Mei Hua Details > 2 Hexagrams.



    Additional Notes:
    • App will try to see if there is only one changing line. If that is the case it will assign Ti on the Trigram that doesn't change and Yong on the other one. That won't work if there is more then one or less then one.
    • If we click any trigram it will show more info on the left as usual. That will include strength of the Trigram in the season, something most Mei Hua practitioners may find useful. : )
    • Option in Menu > Mei Hua Details will only show up if the Mei Hua screens are active, any of them.





    Symbolic Stars

    A few different ways to see this. We can see all of them or we can see only the ones that show up connected to specific line(usually branch).

    To see all of them we can go to View > Symbolic Stars
    Then click on any star to see more.



    Up on the screen it will calculate branches/stems that this applies to.

    More useful way to see it would be to use it from the lines.
    We right click the line and choose Symbolic Star for the line:



    Now, this will show same screen as the full listing of the stars, only this time it will only list the stars that apply to that line. There are usually 7-8 stars for each line.



    That should cover the most important changes.
    There are some bug fixes also and some other stuff around.

    Thats it, enjoy! : )

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #25 on: January 20, 2018, 10:51:36 PM »
    Thanks !

    Quote
    Eg; Career, Wealth, Romance, Health, Legal, Missing item, etc.

    I don't know what stars fall in what category.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #26 on: January 21, 2018, 11:19:55 AM »
    Thanks !

    I don't know what stars fall in what category.

    Try to infer from the stars' description and interpretation.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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    Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #27 on: January 21, 2018, 06:27:04 PM »
    I don’t know if this have been mentioned already but this works well on a Mac with the Wine app!  This is great.

    I couldn’t get the Bazi app to open - not sure why. 

    Thanks.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #28 on: January 21, 2018, 08:44:45 PM »
    1eleven:
    Old versions of Wine had problems with random generated numbers. For example if you open it 2 times and hit Generate they may show up exactly the same sequence of hexagrams each run.
    So I would advice to avoid the "generate" part of the app(the button that generates random hexagrams) if you are running it with Wine. I'm very happy how that part works for win, since it simulates coins, but just not when it goes through Wine.

    Everything else should work I think, but this will have issues.
    Can make hexagram in more traditional way(coins, vegetation etc), or based on hour/situations etc. and just input it after.



    BaZi app probably doesn't work on Wine because of the "real solar time" convert... Something in the math there messes it up.
    I can make version without it, but if you don't need stable/unstable, extra pillars or few images that can be seen around the forum as well, you can just use bazi-calculator.com or similar website. It covers a lot more.

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  • Re: Gmuli Wen Wang Gua Calculator
    « Reply #29 on: January 24, 2018, 01:30:05 AM »
    Few additions...

    First to clarify...
    • Hexagram in Mei Hua screens is same as in Liu Yao one. So if we want to add changed line, just switch to that screen with CTRL, click line and switch back again with CTRL.
    • Left Panel we can change from the check buttons near the 6 daily animals and from View>Left Menu>Trigrams

    Also a little update on the visual part of the app.

    Now, there is option to hide the lines of second hexagram that aren't used.

    We can turn it on from
    View> Hide Inactive Lines
    or with Alt+W shortcut.

    Looks like this:


    Can be turned on and off with hotkey and menu.
    It will work for any branch system we use, so blindsect branches or the Yus system where they are calculated by the second hexagram, all that can still be used with this, since this is just visual on top of all others.

    It does make it more cleaner to read I guess... Although can't imagine using it a lot...
    Anyway, can be useful I guess...


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