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  • I don't mean the sort of intelligence where one has worked hard to develop through coaching, hothousing and training. I mean an exceptional natural talent for something intellectual, maybe academic, or in the arts and music. It's as if the child is born just naturally able to do a subject or perform a dance or instrument extremely well with very little coaching. And with extra coaching, they "fly" and achieve really amazing stuff.

    For example, I have seen videos of 7 year old children playing piano or violin to a standard of someone who typically has been learning for many years before they can play like that, or like the maths prodigy Ruth Lawrence who at age 13, graduated the University of Oxford with a Maths degree with first class honours and special commendation. Mozart was a prodigy who could play tunes on the piano, by ear, at age 3, and started composing songs at age 4.
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  • Mozart had short lifespan, was a womanizer, always had money problems and died a pauper.

    Really no big deal he was a prodigy.

    No time to translate, who got time translate I give karma pts.... :)
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    八字看人聪明还是愚蠢
    更新时间:2016-07-06 17:41:24 起名网 作者:dongmiao 

    世上有聪明人就会有蠢人,而天才和白痴只有一线之差,再聪明的人也会有自己不擅长的事情,再蠢笨的人也会有自己的长处。社会上更多的是以一个人的为人处世和学识来判断一个人是聪明还是蠢笨,如何从八字看一个人是聪明还是蠢笨?现在就跟三通网小编一起了解一下吧。

    聪明人的八字特征

    1、日主身旺,遇到将星的人;
    身旺的人,身体大多不错,更不会疾病缠身;能专心,专一、心无旁骛,外界力量对自己影响不大。对于自己感兴趣的事情,自然能够研究,达到真知灼见。

    八字中的将星大多居于禄位,而禄在八字中不像帝旺,是一种极旺的状态,旺而不过,在易学上是一种极为理想的状态,地位好比乾卦中的“九五”,而“九六”则能有悔,乃是因为太过。所以对于“禄”,都为大家所喜。八字中没有财、官,“禄”也就是财、官的象征,因为禄有依禄、食禄、官禄、俸禄的意思。

    八字中身旺,又有将星的人,有财则能发,有官则能当。所以大多都是生性聪明之辈。


    2、八字中水多、水旺的人;
    五行中水主智慧,因为水有生发之功,有流通之能;更有坚强的意志,不屈不饶的精神,磐石虽坚,但是滴水可以穿石;同时,有很强的谋略,根据不同的对手,自会采取不同的进攻策略,遇强则迂回,遇弱则冲击。所以八字中水多、水旺的人,大多聪明机巧。
     

    3、金水食伤格的人;
    金日主的人,月令见水,或者八字中金水得气得势的人,都可以构成金水食伤格。顽金(庚金)见水则有锋刃,因有水才能打磨顽金,让其锋芒愈厉;熟金器械之类,有水才能擦亮,使其功用得以发挥。同时,金见水,则流通,有舒畅之美;日主为金,主人的头脑,头脑能够流通,舒畅,当然是聪明的象征。所以这种人,往往聪明好胜。
     

    4、月柱中官星、印绶高透的人;
    八字中印绶,代表一个人的接受能力,接受能力越强,能够学习的知识就越多;知识多,自然代表会有见解。而八字中的官星是印绶的元神,是可以生印绶的,官星也就会具有部分印绶的特征,同时,官星也具有一种自我控制能力、约束能力,转化能力,也就说明这些知识是经过自己消化后的成果。

    月柱为日主禀气旺地,月令中官星、印绶之气高透,或者在八字中有根,逢生,这种官印之气,就会根深地固,成为“真气”,所以月柱官星、印绶高透的人,自然见解高超,当然,属于聪明人之列。
     

    5、木火食伤格的人;
    甲、乙日主的人,出生在巳午之月,为木火食伤格。或者八字中火气旺、多的人,均能够成木火食伤格。木旺自然需要火来疏通木气,才能秀发,其人自然聪明难比。
     

    6、八字中显示出金白水清的人;
    壬癸水日出生的人,出生在秋天,八字中申酉、庚辛之金,为金白水清。金能够流通到日主,日主能够得益,日主身旺,而水也旺。水主智慧,其人自然聪明无比。但是局中也要金水适宜,不要形成金多水浊的局面就行。
     

    7、四柱天干有丁、壬合而化木的人;
    水木本是无情之物,因为它们之间总是相互克战。或者两败俱伤,或者水火相济。但是真正的相济还是很难。丁壬相会,为阴阳相聚,就像男子与美女,虽然相互克制,但是有情有义,反能阴阳相济。因为丁、壬合而且化木的话,实际上相战的局面没有了,壬水生木,而木有生丁火。这种人往往内化能力很强,能够顺应时代和环境,自然属于聪明之人了。
     

    8、日支坐七杀的人;
    八字中的日支,主个人的内心,精神世界。七杀,主威权,精明、反应、应急能力。所以日支坐七杀的人,自然头脑灵活,应变能力强;也许是七杀太过紧邻自己的关系,随时感到都有威胁,日主必须提高其应变能力,不然,则容易遭到上司或者恶劣环境的压制,所以它们大多能够聪明伶俐。如果我身太弱,七杀为忌的人,虽然反应能力很强,也能随机应变,但是大多是应急反应。而我神强旺的人,日支七杀为用,则有谋断,策略,聪慧当然也就很大了。

    八字中反映聪慧程度,还有许多的特征,上面仅是一些例举,限于篇幅,就不赘言了。读者还可以走总结和丰富。


    八字什么样的人聪明

    从八字中看,什么样的人聪明呢?有句俗话说得好:伤官聪明七杀灵。

    喜伤官而伤官得地,为人聪明,思维灵敏,转弯也快。伤官与食神的区别在于,伤官张扬而食神含蓄。这样的情形很多,就不举例了。

    喜杀而杀克身,也是一种聪明的标志,反映在对事物的领会能力强。如这样一个命造:己酉/戊辰/壬子/癸卯。

    忌七杀或七杀喜忌不分的情况下,而七杀克身者,爱耍小聪明。当命中七杀被制时,这种命适合搞政治。做律师也可以。

    伤官犯官星者,胆大妄为。喜伤官而官星被伤官制服,有才干,是当官的料。

    忌伤官或伤官不喜不忌的情况下,但伤官被制,这种人给人的感觉会比较迟钝,但会产生大智慧。我的外甥,就是与我做了链接的那个,就是伤官佩印的格局。现在还是个孩子,给人的感觉很天真。看看他写的东西,有多么幼稚。他命里忌伤官,小的时候,正逢伤官的旺地,极其胆小,是儿童运动场最好的观众。

    忌伤官而伤官被彻底制服,极聪明。如这样一个命造:庚子/壬午/乙亥/己卯。是忌食神,而食神被彻底制掉了。是我见过的最聪明的人。

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    愚笨之人的八字
      
    八字火多而旺,且无水润局的命是愚笨之人。八字土旺而为忌的人笨拙之人,不管土为用忌,只要土旺必是愚笨之人了。八字中水为用神,有土来搅局者愚者一个。比劫旺之人,顽固不化,可以称为笨人。比劫旺之人是容易争强好胜的,意气用事之人,只能算是愚笨了。

    聪慧与愚笨之人八字的特征

    人的智商是天生,所以在八字中有明显的特征。

    聪慧的八字:
    1、魁罡格,为人聪敏,果断好奇。
    2、八字金水多,聪明机巧。
    3、水旺(润下格),足智多谋。
    4、金白水清,聪明显达,为文贵。
    5、丁壬化木在寅时,文章盖世名天下。
    6、金水伤官,聪明好胜。
    7、壬癸水胜,聪明多智。
    8、伤官旺,多才多艺(多喜易学)。
    9、七杀一位,聪明伶俐。

    愚笨的八字:
    1、八字火土多,用水而无水,数学极差,重者为弱智(傻子)。
    2、水主智,被土混杂,主愚鲁。
    3、比劫之人,顽固,性拗不悟。
    4、日遇死绝之地,愚蠢而顽固。


    做事慢半拍的八字

    一、八字无食伤星的人
    在八字学的理论当中,食神星与伤官星,简称食伤星。食伤星在八字学里面,代表着言语与才学手艺星,同时也代表着性格的外向与好动。在命理当中,最喜食伤星的透出,因为透出代表显示、炫耀、夺目之意。而如果一个人的八字命格当中,没有食伤星的出现与透出天干的话,那么则代表此人个性比较为内敛,对凡事都难以产生兴趣,自然也就容易滋生出慢半拍的毛病了。

    二、八字印星过旺的人
    在八字十神星当中,印星是代表生我的五行之星。例如:我为甲木日元,在五行相生方面,就是水来生木,生我者为印星。八字当中,日元的生助不宜过多过旺,因为印星会克制食伤星。表现在日常生活当中,也就容易性情古怪,事事提不起兴趣,做事拖拖拉拉,从而形成了慢半拍的个性。

    三、八字土过旺的人
    在八字学上,每一种五行与命格星神,都代表着一定意义和取象。在五行金、木、水、火、土中,最能让人感到淡定的元素莫过于五行土,土代表收纳、储藏、停止、固定、顽固不化之意。在八字命格组合中,日元是代表自己、自身的特定宫位。日元属土的人,个性通常较为沉默,甚至有些闷骚,如果日元为阳性的五行戊土,闷骚的特性更为突出。命局中如还加上辰戌丑未土的帮扶,那么先天骨子里对许多新奇好玩的事情都没有兴趣,做事情也容易慢半拍。

    « Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 12:36:47 PM by ArtofFugue »
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  • Thanks Art! I found the article very useful to help me understand some more about charts. I also read somewhere that having many direct resource stars in a chart means a spoilt or pampered child by "mum". Have you heard of that too?

    Conversely it raises another point.... whether is it possible to see from Bazi chart if someone is born mentally challenged, for instance, if they were born brain damaged or have Downs syndrome, etc. I know the article you posted refers to "stupidity" too... but it seems to refer mainly to those people who are born of somewhat normal IQ and are stubborn, weird, etc. rather than those who are born completely unable to function in normal society and would need care from family for the rest of their lives if they are to stay alive.

    I'm not sure if it is at all possible to see even things like born mentally challenged or brain damaged in a Bazi chart... just wondering.

    I think many musicians are ever grateful for Mozarts existence. His music has touched many lives. An artist doesn't get respected for his morals, just respected for his work, purely for what he produced.
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    Any opinions expressed are just mine. I am a keen student of Bazi and not a professional...

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  • 智障人士之命

    男命八字:
    Year-Mth-Day-Hr
    乙丑 癸未 丙戍 壬辰

    点评:丙生未月伤官格,透乙正印,伤官配印的格局。但丑未冲,辰戍冲。乙木之根遭破。伤官格破。辰戍冲,七杀攻身,日主受伤。木火受伤神经有病。智障人士,贫贱残疾之命。

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    智障儿八字
    - - -Year -Mth -Day - Hr
    乾:丙戌  辛卯  辛亥  癸巳   (寅卯空)4岁运 壬辰  癸巳

    此儿现在还不会说话,都5岁了,其父母要求改名,改名怎么能改的了命??!!

    脑子有问题,卯木空亡,巳火被伤,癸水为言语为嘴,亥水为其根为命主内的心思维,癸巳自合一体,巳亥冲,丙辛合卯戌合,火被冲入墓出不来,木空火墓,神经有问题了,丙辛合辛金为头,头脑有问题,丙火根在巳癸巳自合,发病到言语、嘴上,不会说话。壬辰运不会好,更厉害,癸巳运注意
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • That's great, thank you!

    Not sure what's the difference between "like" your post and giving karma points, but I have done both!
    Any opinions expressed are just mine. I am a keen student of Bazi and not a professional...

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  • .....................

    I think many musicians are ever grateful for Mozarts existence. His music has touched many lives. An artist doesn't get respected for his morals, just respected for his work, purely for what he produced.

    No issue....

    Just wondering what positive influences his prodigy brought to his own life.

    edit: Goes to show, intelligence alone is not enough. It is more important to have wisdom!
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  • 智障人士之命

    男命八字:
    Year-Mth-Day-Hr
    乙丑 癸未 丙戍 壬辰

    点评:丙生未月伤官格,透乙正印,伤官配印的格局。但丑未冲,辰戍冲。乙木之根遭破。伤官格破。辰戍冲,七杀攻身,日主受伤。木火受伤神经有病。智障人士,贫贱残疾之命。

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    智障儿八字
    - - -Year -Mth -Day - Hr
    乾:丙戌  辛卯  辛亥  癸巳   (寅卯空)4岁运 壬辰  癸巳

    此儿现在还不会说话,都5岁了,其父母要求改名,改名怎么能改的了命??!!

    脑子有问题,卯木空亡,巳火被伤,癸水为言语为嘴,亥水为其根为命主内的心思维,癸巳自合一体,巳亥冲,丙辛合卯戌合,火被冲入墓出不来,木空火墓,神经有问题了,丙辛合辛金为头,头脑有问题,丙火根在巳癸巳自合,发病到言语、嘴上,不会说话。壬辰运不会好,更厉害,癸巳运注意

    Hi there,

    sorry to digress; hope to seek some guidance.

    The way i see myself and through people's observations, I really belong to the latter category, since i am at a loss on how to operate at maximum efficiency for work or even socially.

    Is there anyway to change via name change/fengshui; or is it due to my bad LP?

    Based on birth Cert:

    丁辛戊庚
    酉未子午


    Regards,
    Bryan


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  • Translated by antiserif using https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary , 100% dilettante - any corrections welcome:

    八字看人聪明还是愚蠢
    The eight characters to look out for determining ones intelligence or stupidity

    更新时间:2016-07-06 17:41:24 起名网 作者:dongmiao 

    世上有聪明人就会有蠢人,而天才和白痴只有一线之差,再聪明的人也会有自己不擅长的事情,再蠢笨的人也会有自己的长处。社会上更多的是以一个人的为人处世和学识来判断一个人是聪明还是蠢笨,如何从八字看一个人是聪明还是蠢笨?现在就跟三通网小编一起了解一下吧。
    On this earth there are smart people as well as imbeciles, and also those inbetween when one stands out more tahn the other, and the truly intelligent person may not be an expert in any (all) matter(s), as well as a stupid person may have his strong points. Above this Society itself changes its view on this so oneself has to behave properly and together with erudition determine wether a person is intelligent or stupid, how to see that through the 8 characters oneself? Now follow closely the hints of the author and give it a try.

    聪明人的八字特征
    How to detect the truly intelligent person

    1、日主身旺,遇到将星的人;
    Daymaster Body prosperous meets command star is such a person
    身旺的人,身体大多不错,更不会疾病缠身;能专心,专一、心无旁骛,外界力量对自己影响不大。对于自己感兴趣的事情,自然能够研究,达到真知灼见。
    Body prosperous is this person, the bodies health is good in most such cases, even more not liekly to contract disease, good at concentrating the mind, can focus, the mind does not run wild, outside influences will not affect this one very often (rooted in oneself), able to focus on ones own matters easily, able to study, reaches penetrating insight.
    (translators note: "body prosperous" is used same like command star, like eg DM 12 Qi phases in Di Wang or Jian Lu. Example: DM Ding born in Wu month (command star, Lu Shen), or Bing born in Wu month (Di Wang), both cases body (=DM) is prosperous).

    八字中的将星大多居于禄位,而禄在八字中不像帝旺,是一种极旺的状态,旺而不过,在易学上是一种极为理想的状态,地位好比乾卦中的“九五”,而“九六”则能有悔,乃是因为太过。所以对于“禄”,都为大家所喜。八字中没有财、官,“禄”也就是财、官的象征,因为禄有依禄、食禄、官禄、俸禄的意思。
    The 8 characters see command star among themselves then in most cases will attain rank, and when salary is among the 8 characters and its not prosperous (???), is there only one of both top prosperous type situations, then prosperous anyway, if it exists then easy to learn and discern the matter is clear, the degree most pure like Qian trigram in Yi Ching really like "9 of 5", as well as "9 to 6" follows into regret (??), equals this because anyway has too much weight. Therefore Lu Shen (command star) is highly esteemed with all experts. In A BaZi which has no Wealth, (but) Officer and Command Star, equals to riches, because Officer then symbolises this, in consequence of having Command star will be drawn to have high salary because it desires to.
    (translators note: in modern time one may also say a person with no Wealth in chart but having sound Officer together with Command star(which by the way complies to classic auspicious Officer structure) will never take on underpaid jobs, will only work for a good salary, because of his self respect and code of honor).

    八字中身旺,又有将星的人,有财则能发,有官则能当。所以大多都是生性聪明之辈。
    The Bazi with a prosperous body, this person will invite the command star, able to generate money, in the same way like acting as a government official, thinking is correct, therefore is in a natural disposition of being an intelligent person.
    (translators note: has a structured way and discipline in thinking, can follow and reach long term goals by correctly deducing the "rules of the game" like the minister to the emperor and then complying to them without getting irrational or emotional)

    2、八字中水多、水旺的人;
    Bazi with lots of water, water prosperous is such a person
    五行中水主智慧,因为水有生发之功,有流通之能;更有坚强的意志,不屈不饶的精神,磐石虽坚,但是滴水可以穿石;同时,有很强的谋略,根据不同的对手,自会采取不同的进攻策略,遇强则迂回,遇弱则冲击。所以八字中水多、水旺的人,大多聪明机巧。
    In 5 elements theory water equals intelligence and wisdom, because water grows and develops its merits, to have it also means having energy, even more will have strong and inexhaustable willpower and determination, unyielding never forgiving high spirited, strong as a rock, yet at the same time water may erode it by continuously dripping, at the same time unyielding and havin clear stratagems, flexing to the ways of its opponent, self cunningly adapting ones strategy to the conditions of ones opponent, unyieldingly meeting ones goals together with indirect approach, using any feeble chance for fierce attack. Therefore the Bazi with water in it is of such a person, most cunning, dextrous and intelligent.

    3、金水食伤格的人;
    Metal Water Eating God and Hurting Officer "injure the rules" is such a person
    金日主的人,月令见水,或者八字中金水得气得势的人,都可以构成金水食伤格。顽金(庚金)见水则有锋刃,因有水才能打磨顽金,让其锋芒愈厉;熟金器械之类,有水才能擦亮,使其功用得以发挥。同时,金见水,则流通,有舒畅之美;日主为金,主人的头脑,头脑能够流通,舒畅,当然是聪明的象征。所以这种人,往往聪明好胜。
    Metal DM is such a person, when it meets water in season (month), or when the Qi of the Eight Characters is overwhelmed with either water or metal (Follow type chart) is such a person, all of those who can form a water or metal Food/Hurting structure to injure the Correct (Officer), stubborn metal, Geng metal meets water then the blade gets very sharp, because supplying water to the grindstone can polish a cutting blade, to the point of a severing tip of the blade, become a skilled metal tool, supplied with water will polish the talent, able to display his function. At the same time metal seeing water results in a carefree and beautiful mind, DM has a great mind, able of living free of worries, very intelligent, this is what it stands for. Therefore this person is intelligent, often competitive and likes to win.

    4、月柱中官星、印绶高透的人;
    Motnh pillar with Officer star, sealed ribbon strong and thorough is such a person
    (translators note: in the classics this structure is called Officer adorned with Seal)
    八字中印绶,代表一个人的接受能力,接受能力越强,能够学习的知识就越多;知识多,自然代表会有见解。而八字中的官星是印绶的元神,是可以生印绶的,官星也就会具有部分印绶的特征,同时,官星也具有一种自我控制能力、约束能力,转化能力,也就说明这些知识是经过自己消化后的成果。
    The Bazi with sealed ribbon, just by itself stands for such abilities, receives capability to unceasingly learn and study hard and exceeding in knowledge and wisdom; often times very intellectual, naturally able to discuss and defend ones opinion, and when the Bazi is seeing Officer star simultaneously can be of a superiour mind, Seal and Officer together equates to high self control and reasoning, abilty to restict one self, abilty to reform oneself, also can transfer and explain ones own wisdom for a true result.

    月柱为日主禀气旺地,月令中官星、印绶之气高透,或者在八字中有根,逢生,这种官印之气,就会根深地固,成为“真气”,所以月柱官星、印绶高透的人,自然见解高超,当然,属于聪明人之列。
     Month pillar and a DM on land with prosperous (Di Wang) Qi, Month command with Officer star, Sealed ribbon Qi strong to penetrate, or even has root in the Bazi, meeting Sheng (translators note: Seal in Sheng Qi phase), this kind of Qi in Seal, as soon as having a strong root, turns into genuine Qi, therefore month pillar having Officer star, sealed ribbon penetrating through is such a person, naturally his views and understanding should be excellent, classified as exceedingly sharp, clever and bright type of person.

    5、木火食伤格的人;
    Wood Fire Eating God Hurting Officer is such a man
    甲、乙日主的人,出生在巳午之月,为木火食伤格。或者八字中火气旺、多的人,均能够成木火食伤格。木旺自然需要火来疏通木气,才能秀发,其人自然聪明难比。
     Jia, Yi DM is such a man, born in Si Wu month, as Wood Fire EG injures the Correct, or possibly the Bazi meets hot and prosperous (Fire) Qi, often times is such a person,  all Wood is succeeded with Fire to injure the Correct, prosperous Wood naturally needs Fire to dredge the Wood Qi (?), Talent like beautiful hair (??), this person is naturally intelligent and hard to meet with disaster.

    6、八字中显示出金白水清的人;
    Bazi meeting with Metal and Water clearly is such a person
    壬癸水日出生的人,出生在秋天,八字中申酉、庚辛之金,为金白水清。金能够流通到日主,日主能够得益,日主身旺,而水也旺。水主智慧,其人自然聪明无比。但是局中也要金水适宜,不要形成金多水浊的局面就行。
    To be born on a Ren Gui water day is such a person,  if born in autumn season, when the month is You or Shen, has Geng Xin Metal, makes water clean and clear. Metal seen together with DM, DM can gain benefit, DM body prosperous, and water also prosperous, water hosts wisdom, this person naturally incomparably intelligent. However, structure needs to intact for this, Metal cannot meet turbid water this must be clarified immediately.

    7、四柱天干有丁、壬合而化木的人;
    4 Pillars having Ding, Ren closely and as well Wood is such a person
    (translators note: once again another Officer structure adorned with Seal)

    水木本是无情之物,因为它们之间总是相互克战。或者两败俱伤,或者水火相济。但是真正的相济还是很难。丁壬相会,为阴阳相聚,就像男子与美女,虽然相互克制,但是有情有义,反能阴阳相济。因为丁、壬合而且化木的话,实际上相战的局面没有了,壬水生木,而木有生丁火。这种人往往内化能力很强,能够顺应时代和环境,自然属于聪明之人了。

    Water and Wood stems to a merciless thing (tranbslators note: possibly a typo with wood meant to be as fire and DING/REN is known as the merciless combination), because they always fight and neither wins, both sides suffer, perhaps it helps for Water and Fire to help each other. However they help each other will still have great difficulties. Ding and Ren combine, because Yin and Yang meet, as if a man is together with a beautiful woman, although both try to control each other, yet affectionate and loyal, can in contrast help each other. Because Ding, Ren combines furthermore Wood assisting, in practise needs to discern the situation in detail, Ren births Wood, and Wood births Ding Fire. This kind of person usually internally very stubborn/competitive/unyielding, externally can conform with the times and mix with the environment, naturally needs to be classified as a very intelligent man.

    8、日支坐七杀的人;
    Day sitting on 7K is such a person
    八字中的日支,主个人的内心,精神世界。七杀,主威权,精明、反应、应急能力。所以日支坐七杀的人,自然头脑灵活,应变能力强;也许是七杀太过紧邻自己的关系,随时感到都有威胁,日主必须提高其应变能力,不然,则容易遭到上司或者恶劣环境的压制,所以它们大多能够聪明伶俐。如果我身太弱,七杀为忌的人,虽然反应能力很强,也能随机应变,但是大多是应急反应。而我神强旺的人,日支七杀为用,则有谋断,策略,聪慧当然也就很大了。
    Bazi seeing this type of Day, person only thinks of him/herself, spirits high and 7K owner with abilty to react swiftly to the world. Therefore DM sitting on 7K is such a person. Agile mind, able to adapt rapidly and swift, strong in effort; 7K possibly resulting in striving for ones own selfish gain, always feeling threatened, DM cumpulsory shows his abilities, if not so then easily suffers by superiours or a nasty environment which suppresses his/her abilities, therefore they most times are quick witted and clever. In case Self is extremely weak then this is not such a person, although will still react stubborn and unyielding, can still adapt to the situation, however just in types of emergency situations. If the Shen (God, Spirit) is prosperous then it is such a person. DM sitting on 7K will definitely deploy schemes and plans, crafty tactics, naturally must be intelligent and at the same time great.

    八字中反映聪慧程度,还有许多的特征,上面仅是一些例举,限于篇幅,就不赘言了。读者还可以走总结和丰富。
    Bazi reflects the degree of intelligence, and many more of a characteristic, above are some meagre examples, confined in length, with no unnecessary details, reader needs to evaluate on his own and study abundantly.

    八字什么样的人聪明
    Bazi can really see what type of intelligence a person has.

    从八字中看,什么样的人聪明呢?有句俗话说得好:伤官聪明七杀灵。
    Through the eye of Bazi, see the intelligence of a person? There must be proper HO, efficient Officer, swift 7K come into existence.

    喜伤官而伤官得地,为人聪明,思维灵敏,转弯也快。伤官与食神的区别在于,伤官张扬而食神含蓄。这样的情形很多,就不举例了。
    Likes HO and as well HO obtain structure (land), then acts oneself in one others interest clever and bright, thinks smart and clever, thinks out of the box as well as swift and quick, difference between HO and EG lies in the display of openness or covertness, EG covert, HO open.

    喜杀而杀克身,也是一种聪明的标志,反映在对事物的领会能力强。如这样一个命造:己酉/戊辰/壬子/癸卯。
    Liking to kill and controlling the body (7K), is another sign of being intelligent, to understand better this kind of fate is built by JiYou, WuChen, RenZi, GuiMao.
    (translators note: this chart shows a mixed up Officer/7K structure where Officer is combined away, leaving 7K without restraint, so la cruel nature liking to kill. Also as explained above Water meeting metal, very sharp mind))

    忌七杀或七杀喜忌不分的情况下,而七杀克身者,爱耍小聪明。当命中七杀被制时,这种命适合搞政治。做律师也可以。
    Dread 7k or to be fond of 7K is determined by the conditions as stated below, as well wether 7K is able to control Self, likes to resort to petty tricks. If this structure is hit, then Life can be a politician, or a lawyer.
    (translators note: WOW! This text states that politician and lawyers are natural born liars and schemers! :D :D :D )

    伤官犯官星者,胆大妄为。喜伤官而官星被伤官制服,有才干,是当官的料。
    HO viplates Officer star, daredevil, likes to oppose regulations as well as Officer star, likes to subdue government and rules, capable, is withstanding rules and going against the grain.

    忌伤官或伤官不喜不忌的情况下,但伤官被制,这种人给人的感觉会比较迟钝,但会产生大智慧。我的外甥,就是与我做了链接的那个,就是伤官佩印的格局。现在还是个孩子,给人的感觉很天真。看看他写的东西,有多么幼稚。他命里忌伤官,小的时候,正逢伤官的旺地,极其胆小,是儿童运动场最好的观众。
    Dreads HO, HO likely to not fearing circumstances of his actions later, however controlling Officer, this person may become sluggish and slow in reaction, yet can aquire great wisdom. My point is to make clear that when challenging Officer is the structure.
    Because of his naivity and childlike mind he can easily offend superiours by blurting out ones mind (translators note: this is very freely translated because i couldnt make sense of the grammar).
     With Officer prosperous, can be extremely timid and cowardice, acting like being commanded around on a training ground being watched by spectators.

    忌伤官而伤官被彻底制服,极聪明。如这样一个命造:庚子/壬午/乙亥/己卯。是忌食神,而食神被彻底制掉了。是我见过的最聪明的人。
    Dreading HO and HO completely under control, extremely intelligent. As this kind of Life: GengZi RenWu YiHai JiMao dreads Eating God misses control this equates to a really extremely intelligent person.
    (translators note: structure by Month Command is Eating God, Weak Officer in HS protected by Wealth and adorned with Seal).

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    愚笨之人的八字
    Stupid person sees this kind of Bazi
      
    八字火多而旺,且无水润局的命是愚笨之人。八字土旺而为忌的人笨拙之人,不管土为用忌,只要土旺必是愚笨之人了。八字中水为用神,有土来搅局者愚者一个。比劫旺之人,顽固不化,可以称为笨人。比劫旺之人是容易争强好胜的,意气用事之人,只能算是愚笨了。
    Bazi has got lots of as well as prosperous Fire, moreover no water to moisten the structure such is a stupid person. Bazi has propserous Earth and dreads seeing more is a stupid person. Not to be concerned wether Earth can be used or not, just as long as Earth is prosperous must be a stupid person. If chart has Water as Useful God and Earth comes to disturb this Water structure this is a stupid person. RW prosperous person, stubborn in adapting to change, maybe called a stupid person. RW prosperous most likely to be competitive, let emotions affect ones decisions, this person can only be considered as stupid.

    聪慧与愚笨之人八字的特征
    Intelligent as well as stupid simultaneously characteristics of people

    人的智商是天生,所以在八字中有明显的特征。
    The intelligence of a person is inborn, therefore it can be seen clearly within the 8 characters.

    聪慧的八字:
    Intelligents sees these eight characters:
    1、魁罡格,为人聪敏,果断好奇。
    Kui Gang structure, bright decisive and curious
    2、八字金水多,聪明机巧。
    Metal Water structure often intelligent and cunning
    3、水旺(润下格),足智多谋。
    Water prosperous, resourceful and full of stratagems
    4、金白水清,聪明显达,为文贵。
    Metal Water district intelligent and rich in language
    5、丁壬化木在寅时,文章盖世名天下。
    Ding Ren transformed by Wood located in Yin, unrivalledin literature in the lands among Heaven
    6、金水伤官,聪明好胜。
    Metal Water HO, intelligent, clever, eager to win
    7、壬癸水胜,聪明多智。
    Ren Gui Water intelligent rich in wisdom and knowledge
    8、伤官旺,多才多艺(多喜易学)。
    HO prosperous, multitalented, likes to learn easily
    9、七杀一位,聪明伶俐。
    7K in first position, quick witted and clever

    愚笨的八字:
    Pointers for stupidity in Bazi
    1、八字火土多,用水而无水,数学极差,重者为弱智(傻子)。
    Plentyful and strong Earth and Fire, in severe cases Imbeciles
    2、水主智,被土混杂,主愚鲁。
    Water is the master of wisdom, disturbed by Earth, dull witted and foolish
    3、比劫之人,顽固,性拗不悟。
    RW person, stubborn, disobeying nature, unable to comprehend
    (translators note: RW is the main structure for competing people, excelling at sportmansship - even if they gain big fortunes they are very likely to loose those in the long run due to not understanding how to manage money)
    4、日遇死绝之地,愚蠢而顽固。
    Day pillar meeting Si and Yue phase, stupid and stubborn

    做事慢半拍的八字
    Pointers for the halfbreds

    一、八字无食伤星的人
    1. Bazi having no HO or EG star is such a person
    在八字学的理论当中,食神星与伤官星,简称食伤星。食伤星在八字学里面,代表着言语与才学手艺星,同时也代表着性格的外向与好动。在命理当中,最喜食伤星的透出,因为透出代表显示、炫耀、夺目之意。而如果一个人的八字命格当中,没有食伤星的出现与透出天干的话,那么则代表此人个性比较为内敛,对凡事都难以产生兴趣,自然也就容易滋生出慢半拍的毛病了。
    There is a clear idea in the study of Bazi, EG together with HO star, abbreviated as Hurting stars, Eating Hurting stars located in the Bazi, signify skill in speech, expression and craftsmanship, simultaneously extroverted active personality. Located among the life fate, EG star can become bright and shining when in protruding in Bazi, EG as compared is more introvert, adapts more easily and is very hard to predict, many interests, character also hesitant in going out, easy to offend by pointing out his shortcomings and defects (??)
    二、八字印星过旺的人
    2. Bazi having Di Wang combined is such a person
    在八字十神星当中,印星是代表生我的五行之星。例如:我为甲木日元,在五行相生方面,就是水来生木,生我者为印星。八字当中,日元的生助不宜过多过旺,因为印星会克制食伤星。表现在日常生活当中,也就容易性情古怪,事事提不起兴趣,做事拖拖拉拉,从而形成了慢半拍的个性。
    Bazi with EG star and also with Seal star, eg Jia wood day engering each other, Water birthing Wood, births me as my Seal star. the Bazi should not have too many Seal prosperous stars, because too strong Seal can restrain and control EG star, if this is found within the Bazi person likely to have too easygoing attitude together with eccentric behaviour, everything given but no interest in anything, procrastinating at his jobs, therefore hard and slow to achieve goals.

    三、八字土过旺的人
    3. Bazi with prosperous Earth is such a person
    在八字学上,每一种五行与命格星神,都代表着一定意义和取象。在五行金、木、水、火、土中,最能让人感到淡定的元素莫过于五行土,土代表收纳、储藏、停止、固定、顽固不化之意。在八字命格组合中,日元是代表自己、自身的特定宫位。日元属土的人,个性通常较为沉默,甚至有些闷骚,如果日元为阳性的五行戊土,闷骚的特性更为突出。命局中如还加上辰戌丑未土的帮扶,那么先天骨子里对许多新奇好玩的事情都没有兴趣,做事情也容易慢半拍。
    In the study of bazi each kind of five elements star has his own role, each their own sense and meaning, their mix creating the image. In 5 elements there are Metal, Wood, Water, Fire, Earth, within yield a person to feel calm no element surpasses Earth, it receives, holds in, collects, stops and does not make changes in ideas and views, located in the structure of the 5 elements, day is represantion of Self, the palace of oneself. Day belongs to Earth this is such a man, personality usually uncommunicative and silent, even somewhat aloof, in case day is Yang, five elements Wu Earth, cold outside but passionate inside, this characteristic is even more prominent. If Life situation even more has Chen Xu Chou Wei Earth assisting, like that all inborn curiosity and interest will die off in the end (???), too slow to handle any matter in life.


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    从八字中看,什么样的人聪明呢?有句俗话说得好:伤官聪明七杀灵。
    Through the eye of Bazi, see the intelligence of a person? There must be proper HO, efficient Officer, swift 7K come into existence.
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    Suggest all not to use software to translate. Alot of parts not flowing well.

    As an example above: "There must be proper HO, efficient Officer, swift 7K come into existence."

    In my opinion, that sentence should be translated as: "As age-old adage says;- HO represents intelligence, while 7K represents wittiness."
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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    I think many musicians are ever grateful for Mozarts existence. His music has touched many lives. An artist doesn't get respected for his morals, just respected for his work, purely for what he produced.

    No issue....

    Just wondering what positive influences his prodigy brought to his own life.

    edit: Goes to show, intelligence alone is not enough. It is more important to have wisdom!

    Could you elaborate more on what you mean by “positivity”, Art? The judgement of positive or negative can be quite subjective so I’d prefer not to assume what qualities you mean by “positive”. That said, I personally think his life was short but in that short time, he accomplished a lot that most wouldn’t even achieve. His father, a minor musician and music teacher, travelled for work so Mozart travelled a lot since young. His talent was apparent from toddlerhood. His father knew people would pay money to see such talent, so made use of Mozart to earn income for the family as well. Mozart was adored by royalty. He sat on Princess Antoinette lap at 6 years old, and cheekily asked her for marriage. As a child, he was probably quite spoilt in comparison to other children his age, as he was treated like a precious jewel of talent that can be monetised for the family’s gain. However his father also made sure his talent was supported to the max. He devoted much of his life to nurturing Mozart’s talent, even gave up work for some time to help Mozart nurture his talents.. Mozart grew up to be a hedonist and spendthrift, he loved good food, expensive tastes, women, but his life was never really lacking in money. His privileged childhood did however affect the way he matured as an adult. Typical of the personality profile of gifted children, he had very strong emotions, sensitivity, challenged authority and lacked regard for the opinions of adults. He was not always well-liked by his contemporaries (other musicians) and was apparently quite difficult to collaborate or work with. He died young, at age 35, either from food poisoning (trichinosis) from eating a piece of contaminated pork, or as a complication of syphilis or pneumonia. His death was certainly unintentional. He was never suicidal, and was a fat and cheerful person, loved to play billiards with friends, and liked jokes, from all existing historical accounts of him. He certainly had down times too.. other than that, not sure what he really thought in his head.

    Have you tried looking at his Bazi yet? Maybe you can see something in it. I haven’t. I will try out that online calculator as his birthday is so far back, my usual Bazi calculator won’t calculate it.

    I do notice also that in many prodigy cases, they had strong parental support to hone their talents. The 13 year old maths prodigy who graduated Oxford University was homeschooled, so that means the parents devoted a lot of time to helping her develop her talent too. Many prodigies who went to university early are the same. Many prodigies seem to have had parents who were willing to give up a full time career just to devote themselves to nurturing that child’s talent. Prodigy charts may indicate strong resource element.
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    Any opinions expressed are just mine. I am a keen student of Bazi and not a professional...

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  • Re: Are there ways to see intelligence (genius or prodigy type) in a chart?
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    Source: http://www.rense.com/general45/mozrt.htm

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    His "Zoroastrian riddles", written in 1786, are "not so much arcane as bawdy; .. The riddles confirm Mozart's delight in obscene jokes" and "what is certain is that they do not show Mozart delving into the occult" (Roselli 1998: 113).
     
    What is more, he apparently did not hold to any spiritual or moral values. His father suspected and feared that he was a womaniser who had compromised innocent girls, including his young cousin, to which Mozart defensively replied, "'If I had to marry all those with whom I have jested I should have two hundred wives at least'". The comment, Roselli notes, was "to deny - perhaps untruthfully - any serious entanglement with Constanze Weber" (Aloysia's sister) (1998:61), whom he was eventually obliged to marry, and whom, evidence suggests, he was subsequently unfaithful to.
     
    Besides his infidelity, Mozart also gambled, and it was this vice which undoubtedly put him into debt, explaining his "sudden, repeated borrowings of amounts large and small" (Roselli 1998: 72). It has been calculated that "though Mozart's estimated income would not have brought wealth, it should have been enough to support him and his family in some style and leave him reasonably free from care. Nevertheless - the earliest evidence dates from February 1783, six months after [his] wedding - Mozart frequently borrowed money, often in a hurry and pleading urgent need" (Roselli 1998: 71), and his records show that he had "outstanding debts and heavy expenditure" beyond everyday living expenses (Roselli 1998: 71).
     
    This financial circumstance has caused doubts to be raised over the truthfulness of Mozart's reports about his tours to his father, and whether the accounts of his earnings "masked his gambling losses". Many have acknowledged that Mozart "was apparently willing to misstate his earnings" to suit his purposes, both to family and friends. His attempt to borrow money in December 1789 is a commonly cited example: "he told his friend and long-suffering creditor Michael Puchberg, from whom he urgently wished to borrow 400 florins, that he would soon collect a fee for Cosi fan tutte of 900 florins, but the imperial accounts show only a payment of the standard fee for an opera of 450 florins" - clearly, "Mozart, in a tight corner, lied to his friend" (Roselli 1998: 72).
     
    Given this and other misdemeanours, and his obvious dissolute character, it is not surprising that eyewitnesses and early biographers "talked of Mozart' s 'weaknesses', 'human failings', 'hazardous' contacts, and 'debaucheries'", words with serious implications both then and now. What we are faced with is a man who was lewd and behaved like an imbecile, who frequently lied, who lacked any sense of morality or moral responsibility, who practiced deceit, and who was ambitious, but lacked any real or exceptional talent. It is inexplicable that such a person could be capable of writing spiritual or uplifting music, or of eloquent and deeply felt expression. That Mozart was deliberately underhanded in his musical practices indeed seems certain, and it is patent that what has been called 'indebtedness' and 'influences' were actually symptoms of his creative poaching and thievery. Indeed, his habitual practice of copying the works of other composers can have no other reasonable explanation other than he wished to plagiarize from them and/or pass them off as his own, which is in fact what happened in a number of instances. The argument is further strengthened by the fact that, viewed within the context of his own time, Mozart was, for all intents and purposes, nothing more than a run-of-the-mill composer who failed to rise above mediocrity, and whose status reflected as much. How such a composer could be elevated to greatness and subsequently inducted into the canonic ranks is the issue that remains to be addressed.

    Source: https://www.medicalbag.com/what-killed-em/wolfgang-amadeus-mozart/article/486647/
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    Then there was Fanz Hofdemel, a Masonic brother of Mozart’s, whose 23-year-old wife, Magdalena, was Mozart’s student. Mozart, a notorious womanizer, had a steamy affair with her, and supposedly made her his mistress and got her pregnant. It is believed Franz found out about the affair, poisoned Mozart, and shortly after the funeral went home and hacked up the 5-month pregnant Magdalena with a razor, then cut his own throat with the same razor. Magdalena survived the slashing and named her child after Mozart and her husband.
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    « Reply #11 on: April 16, 2018, 09:55:20 AM »
    He was a complex person indeed.

    Some light hearted facts about him here https://www.readersdigest.co.uk/culture/music/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-mozart

    Classic FM did a 6 part article on his life and personality
    http://www.classicfm.com/composers/mozart/guides/biography-part-1/

    I like to see people as multi faceted, rather than being defined by a few singular faults. I value love of humanity in all its forms and strive to accept all persons as they are. I am happy to be wrong here, but it appears you find him very unlikable person? Fair enough. I have nothing against that. I appreciate your input.
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    « Reply #12 on: April 16, 2018, 10:27:54 AM »
    Mozart's birthchart, if anyone is interested.  ;)
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