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  • I was born on 06 Juni 1996 14.30 1 degree Southern hemisphere GMT +9

    My Nothern Bazi:

    Hour             Day            Month            Year
     
    Yin Metal   Yang Wood   Yang Wood    Yang Fire

    Goat             Dog             Horse             Rat


    My Southern Bazi:

    Hour             Day            Month            Year
     
    Yin Metal   Yang Wood   Yang Wood    Yang Fire

    Goat             Dog             Rat             Rat


    Can you analyze those 2 Bazi ?
    Thanks For Help  :) :)

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2018, 04:47:38 AM »
    Well... I avoid wealth readings usually, but in this case may be good indicator. If your job is going very well, a lot of stuff going on etc. even more so in Winter months and Water Years, then I would go with Wu in month.

    If not a lot is going on, average job and somewhat pressured by your mother then I would go with Zi rat.
    (education if you are still studying - good university, a lot going on etc. same thing)

    If neither, then I don't know... With more info can fit them, probably, but just from the charts this seems to be good indicator.

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2018, 04:50:49 AM »
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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #4 on: May 23, 2018, 10:05:07 AM »
    Well... I avoid wealth readings usually, but in this case may be good indicator. If your job is going very well, a lot of stuff going on etc. even more so in Winter months and Water Years, then I would go with Wu in month.

    If not a lot is going on, average job and somewhat pressured by your mother then I would go with Zi rat.
    (education if you are still studying - good university, a lot going on etc. same thing)

    If neither, then I don't know... With more info can fit them, probably, but just from the charts this seems to be good indicator.

    Actually i am a male who still studying in the last semester of college. Here is my birthplace: 1.0381° S, 135.9801° E

    About education, in my opinion, i think i have good university because i got a full scolarship in one of the best university in my Country.
    About my relationship with my mother, sometimes i feel my mother pressured me too hard because she want to get the best of me (typical asian mother), but in the general i don't hate her.

    How about my bazichart about my soulmate ? Because, although there are a lot of girls who liked me but non of them whom i liked. But, when i liked someone, i always rejected..

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #5 on: May 23, 2018, 04:16:22 PM »
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    How about my bazichart about my soulmate ? Because, although there are a lot of girls who liked me but non of them whom i liked. But, when i liked someone, i always rejected..

    I think it can work out much later in life. You may already know her, but right now may be unlikely to happen as she may be in another relationship that is going very stable for next 15 years, more or less.

    I think Wu branch months/years is more likely to work out, as the way will be clearer. And Yi stem months/years can also be helpful.
    Other then that its difficult to say exact time, as the Star is already activated, but in another relationship and may stay like that for some years to come.

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #6 on: May 23, 2018, 05:40:31 PM »
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    How about my bazichart about my soulmate ? Because, although there are a lot of girls who liked me but non of them whom i liked. But, when i liked someone, i always rejected..

    I think it can work out much later in life. You may already know her, but right now may be unlikely to happen as she may be in another relationship that is going very stable for next 15 years, more or less.

    I think Wu branch months/years is more likely to work out, as the way will be clearer. And Yi stem months/years can also be helpful.
    Other then that its difficult to say exact time, as the Star is already activated, but in another relationship and may stay like that for some years to come.

    In attached file, i already have a report of my Southern bazi bi Mr Xiang Yi, but yet i can't understand what it mean.
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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #7 on: May 23, 2018, 06:02:22 PM »
    Up left(the 8 symbols, 4 on top of 4) are the initial chart.
    That is general overview of what happens in the whole life.

    Then on top right there are Luck Pillars, 10 year periods that activate different aspects of the initial chart.
    And everything below it seems to be annual pillars with the stem/branches they belong to(that would be same for everyone, while the previous 2 are just for you).


    Basically its just the chart, there isn't comments on it that I can see.
    Only difference from this to how a calculator or website would show it is the inverted month branch(that we mentioned already).

    Reminds me I should add it to the app... Anyway, here are my bazi app and the bazi-calculator website, they show same info, only month pillar won't have inverted branch:
    (as we saw already not everyone agrees it should be inverted)

    Gmuli bazi app:
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=16617.0
    (free but needs PC to run or phone/tablet without ARM CPU and wine/win)

    Bazi-calculator:
    www.bazi-calculator.com
    (free for 10 uses a day)

    A lot more alternatives out there.

    When it comes to reading it, it becomes more complicated. If you want check amazon for "four pillars" or BaZi books, or check blogs around the net and the forum.

    Kevin Chan website is awesome source for traditional bazi stuff as well:
    https://kevinchanbazi.wordpress.com/

    However it does take some time learning, as most things worth knowing do...


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    Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #8 on: May 23, 2018, 06:16:55 PM »
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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #9 on: May 23, 2018, 06:37:40 PM »
    Up left(the 8 symbols, 4 on top of 4) are the initial chart.
    That is general overview of what happens in the whole life.

    Then on top right there are Luck Pillars, 10 year periods that activate different aspects of the initial chart.
    And everything below it seems to be annual pillars with the stem/branches they belong to(that would be same for everyone, while the previous 2 are just for you).


    Basically its just the chart, there isn't comments on it that I can see.
    Only difference from this to how a calculator or website would show it is the inverted month branch(that we mentioned already).

    Reminds me I should add it to the app... Anyway, here are my bazi app and the bazi-calculator website, they show same info, only month pillar won't have inverted branch:
    (as we saw already not everyone agrees it should be inverted)

    Gmuli bazi app:
    http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=16617.0
    (free but needs PC to run or phone/tablet without ARM CPU and wine/win)

    Bazi-calculator:
    www.bazi-calculator.com
    (free for 10 uses a day)

    A lot more alternatives out there.

    When it comes to reading it, it becomes more complicated. If you want check amazon for "four pillars" or BaZi books, or check blogs around the net and the forum.

    Kevin Chan website is awesome source for traditional bazi stuff as well:
    https://kevinchanbazi.wordpress.com/

    However it does take some time learning, as most things worth knowing do...


    Attached filed : Bazi by Bazi-calculator.com & by Gmuli Apps
    « Last Edit: May 23, 2018, 06:40:48 PM by edorado »

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #10 on: May 23, 2018, 09:29:09 PM »
    edorado: Problem is 10-12% of human population on the Earth is in the other hemisphere.
    Making it much less often to see charts of BaZi for there in here, also the reason we don't have options in the apps and websites to inverted branches in my view(of course, also not there if the people making them, aren't using inverted branches for the other hemisphere)

    As far as the chart goes, it's good chart overall in my view, just may need time to pick up.



    Axis: Seasons are inverted in the other hemisphere. Summer is in December.
    That means if we don't invert branches, we have Wu Yang Fire Branch - the most expensive point and the peak of Light in later heaven - in the middle of Winter.
    As June is Winter in the other hemisphere.

    While still one Solar Term is made of 15 degrees of Sun ecliptical longitude, and of course, that is the same from the 2 hemispheres, the Seasons are exactly the opposite.
    Month Branches mark the season. If we want to have Wu horse at the peak of Yang, we need to set it in the middle of Summer. And that is in December in the other hemisphere.

    That is all that is, we use Solar Time adjustment for exactly the same reason, as we set Wu horse yang fire in the most Yang point of the day at Noon we are attuning the branches to the changes in Light/Temperature that happen on the Earth in different motions.
    Exactly the same for month branch will require Wu horse to move to the middle of Summer(December in the other hemisphere).

    Without adjusting... Imagine that. Someone is born in the other hemisphere,in the middle of the winter(that is June in there). Their parents come to you, right away.
    You look at the chart and say - "Ohh, these is Wu horse branch in month, because is June!Your chart has very hot climate indeed!"
    The parents look around. Coldest time of the year, shortest day, its already dark at early evening, as its getting much less Sun during the Winter. Snow falling down, as it does in June in the other hemisphere.
    And they say - "... born in hot climate. Sure."



    Here is interesting point of view, from Roisin Goldings book -  The Complete Stems and Branches
    I was surprised to see she was using something similar(although with some differences) as well.


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    Some sources believe that one should plot the stems and branches for the person based on Beijing time and based on the northern hemisphere. In Australia, June is midwinter, while December coincides with midsummer. It is my opinion that one should automatically use the date and hour of birth according to local time, and one should also gauge the elements according to the local season; i.e. if one lives in the southern hemisphere, then one should adjust the branch to reflect the balance of yin and yang and the elements. That means that for the month one should add on six stem and branch positions for a person living in the southern hemisphere, so that the seasonal influence can be correctly assessed, e.g. stem 5 branch 7 in the northern hemisphere should be adjusted to stem 1 branch 1 by adding 6 stems and 6 branches. Use the local hour, making adjustments for summer time, for the hour pillar.


    Of course, all this is just point of view of different people, and everyone will decide for themselves at the end.

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #11 on: May 23, 2018, 10:18:02 PM »
    I also live in southern hemisphere and don't know which one works the best for me (northern/southern)

    My northern chart        (Y)XinWei, (M)WuXu, (D)GengWu, (H)BingZi, (10YearLuck)YiWei

    and southern would be (Y)Xinwei, (M)WuChen, (D)GengWu, (H)BingZi, (10YearLuck)YiChou

    Can anyone interpret my chart? What basic situation will be happening in 2018 if its Northern and Southern?


    THANKS!

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 10:37:39 PM »

    As far as the chart goes, it's good chart overall in my view, just may need time to pick up.


    With all due respect, can you explain it more pls sir ?  :) :)
    Because one of the reasons i am studying bazi is because i want to improve my self, what is my weakness, what should i do to optimize my talent, etc..

    Perhaps with one clear explanation about me, in the future, i can help others (my friends, or my family) to analyze their bazi in general.
    Because it is easier for me to understand bazi by case study first than read all theory first.

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #13 on: May 23, 2018, 11:41:52 PM »
     thw789: I don't want to take the full topic, other member may give it a try.

    edorado:
    Looking at the Zi in month chart.
    The pillars from left to right are Year(the 2 symbols in the pillar most right), Month(the 2 symbols second from right to left), Day(3th from right to left) and most left is the hour pillar.

    We work with what we call 10 gods.
    Basically what your element produces/creates, in this case Fire, we call "Output". Can split into Eating God and Hurting Officer, but as we don't want to go into too many details(coz long), we will just combine them into output/creativity/expression.
    At the same time the element producing your element(Wood is produces by Water) we call Resource. That would be split to Indirect Resource and Direct one. Again we will try to sum it up, although with a little leaning to Indirect Resource.

    When it comes to persons life, it flows from Right to Left(Year to Hour).
    Year(most right pillar) - Early Life
    Month(second from right to left pillar) - 18-35 years(also family,traditions, local belief system etc.)

    So in this we have Zi. That is intuition, feeling, experience etc. and indirect resource from what we mentioned already.

    Means your relation with the world is based on what you think is valuable(wealth) being shaped up by your intuition/experience.
    That controls the Day Branch, meaning your intuition/experience shape up what is deep within(that woudl be Wealth containing Expression, more on that below).
    Water controls back Earth in this case, as what is in the month is much stronger.

    Indirect Resource can also show a mother for male. That was why was the reference before, in this case it may mean that that intuition/experience will share point of view that is reflected in that persons mother(that counts for most people, as Resource will be mother for male in most cases, meaning most male people will get their intuition from the way their mother views the world often).

    So far we can't see a lot of "work done" meaning movement in the chart. We need a lot of movement to know that person will be busy doing stuff - that is good chart(in terms of accomplishments etc).
    However moving forward(moving right to left - as the life will go), we get to Day/Hour relations.
    And here we get to where the movement is.

    Xu is considered "Tomb/Store of Fire". It has specific relation with Fire that includes all fire in the chart ending in it and originating from it.
    Here Xu as wealth(again from 10 gods, the element your DM controls) is harming Wei in the hour, opening both of them, as wealth in the hour.

    So we have forms of Wealth that will help you become stronger and creative. That is because Wei brings inflow of Wood in the chart- making you stronger, while Xu brings inflow of Fire - that will lead to expression.

    More on the second point - Fire is Output for the chart. Meaning things you create. That is 10 gods, it is output, because Wood produces Fire.
    So in this case when Wei<>Xu is triggered, Xu will open and there is inflow of Fire/Creativity and making you stronger as well as your element is adding the wood from Wei.

    But this usually should be later in life as it is Day<>Hour.
    However Hour isn't only time when you are old, it is also things that go beyond linear time.
    And in relation like this, it will usually happen like that(meaning whatever is created will go beyond limit of borders).

    In short - it is nice chart, for creating stuff, like authors or some form of art etc. but the good "work done" is strongest at old age. However it would show up much earlier probably, as hour is stuff beyond time as well.


    However as each of these can be very long topic(even more so the 10 gods) this is very short overview of some relations in the chart(main ones commented before and some that may be important in the years to come).
    Feel free to ask if you have any questions. : )
    « Last Edit: May 23, 2018, 11:45:35 PM by Gmuli »

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  • Re: What is the different between Northern BAZI and Souther BAZI
    « Reply #14 on: May 24, 2018, 01:18:22 AM »
    Thank you very much for your clear explanation, finally i understand about interaction of my bazi. :D :D

    1. From earlier of my life stage (getting stronger since 2012), till now, my intuition always said to me "You should learn a lot in your
    early stage of life, whether it is good or bad, because it will give you a lot of experience to be ready in the main stage".
    But, somehow, i don't understand what is that "main stage" is.

    2. What kind of luck pillar which will give me a lot of good oportunity? (i.e. Water year, Ox year, etc.) so i can optimize my talent in good LP and "play safe" in "bad" LP.

    3. Although i often got intuition about many aspects in my life, but i have  no clue about my spouse pillar. What kind of girl should i go for ? and etc.

    4. Do you have any literature or resources for me to learn more about bazi ? Especially about interaction, like 10 Gods, Xu <> Wei and etc. Because i found some contradictions in some literature.

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