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    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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    Re: Will AI render Bazi/zdws practitioner/master obselete ?
    « Reply #19 on: July 05, 2018, 10:16:52 PM »
    I would like to bring out the 'human' aspect on this discussion. This has become increasing concern in the AI/ML domain to be applied to 'life-endangered/critical' application. AI/ML model is mainly black-box. It can't tell you why. There are pocket of interest in the AI/ML domain on possibility to explain/extract rule from the model. It was coined XAI (Explainable AI). You will want to know 'ideally' why your application is rejected  :-[. It reminds me of catchphrase in UK Little Britain Series 'Computer says No'

    Having said that, black box 'unexplainable' could add some cloud or mystic in the model to attract more customer or charge revenue. I think approach has been use quite commonly in fortune telling circuit with 'expensive' goodies.

    Lastly, let assume there is such 'accurate' model which predicts that you will die/got accident in 2 weeks or you will win 4D. For some (who may take it too seriously), this could be <fill in the blank>  :).

    What say you ?
         


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    I would like to bring out the 'human' aspect on this discussion. This has become increasing concern in the AI/ML domain to be applied to 'life-endangered/critical' application. AI/ML model is mainly black-box. It can't tell you why. There are pocket of interest in the AI/ML domain on possibility to explain/extract rule from the model. It was coined XAI (Explainable AI). You will want to know 'ideally' why your application is rejected  :-[. It reminds me of catchphrase in UK Little Britain Series 'Computer says No'

    Having said that, black box 'unexplainable' could add some cloud or mystic in the model to attract more customer or charge revenue. I think approach has been use quite commonly in fortune telling circuit with 'expensive' goodies.

    Lastly, let assume there is such 'accurate' model which predicts that you will die/got accident in 2 weeks or you will win 4D. For some (who may take it too seriously), this could be <fill in the blank>  :).

    What say you ?
       

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    « Reply #21 on: July 07, 2018, 04:13:14 AM »
    There can only be so much information that can be coded to give u results as stated by theory (or whichever information coded into the system... Remember garbage in garbage out)

    AI will not give u the experience accumulated over the years by observation (unless of cos this experience is coded inside, where to find these experiences then?)

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    « Reply #23 on: July 07, 2018, 05:48:23 AM »
    Well... So far it seems it has enough... Intuition/Experience/training runs?
    We can call it whatever we want, but so far it is enough to outperformed doctors with years of practice in diagnosing by image, and not by a little.

    Chinese AI Beats 15 Doctors In Tumor Diagnosis Competition
    https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/07/03/2220259/chinese-ai-beats-15-doctors-in-tumor-diagnosis-competition

    Ai outperforms human doctors in spotting skin cancer:
    https://www.engadget.com/2018/05/29/ai-outperforms-human-doctors-in-spotting-skin-cancer/

    London hospitals to replace doctors and nurses with AI for some tasks
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/21/london-hospitals-to-replace-doctors-and-nurses-with-ai-for-some-tasks

    Most of these were just from the last 2-3 months, there were more before that.
    How can it do that when it is used prerecorded instructions?Well, it doesn't use prerecorded instructions, it would depend of the type of AI it is, but generally for games it plays against itself until it finds the best possible tactic.
    Its not just turn based games(and when it comes to Go, it didn't just performed as a top player, the last AI was unbeatable by anyone), deep mind AI performed better then human players last week playing Quake 3(that is 3d shooter), while Musks Open AI did something really impressive on dota 2(that is professional sport in parts of the world) here is video:

    Elon Musk's 'Dota 2' Experiment is Disrupting Esports in a Big Way - No Playing Field


    And this is just very small look at what is going on...
    Sooo... It doesn't have experience... Its not entirely true, it generates a lot of experience(much more then human lifetime can allow), by playing against itself, for the games related one like Alpha Go.

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    « Reply #24 on: July 07, 2018, 06:04:08 AM »
    The experiences in AI r store in data form.  The more experience AI encounters, the more knowledge it becomes.  No one seems to question the under line data or how ML learns from these data.

    Also, what we ignore is that most games have rules implace to develop limitations for users or us.  If u remove whatever the limitations or rules, then it might be a challenge for AI to focus, will at least initially.
    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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    « Reply #25 on: July 07, 2018, 06:46:44 PM »
    AI knowledge or model is heavily relied on data feed used for learning. It is what known as 'data bias'. The infamous incident happening 2 years ago which force Microsoft to take down the bot. I guess it like human child. I believe there is no such thing born racist, prejudice and <fill the blank>.... It depends on the environment, learning he or she exposed to.
     
    https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist

    Related back to bazi/zdws reading, It depends on practitioner learning/exposure to cases. The more case he or she has learned, the more accurate the reading will be. Good (or accurate) reading always has certain interaction, Q&A, confirmation of past event to fine tune such and life experience may assist to put right timeframe and context in the reading.

    Based on such observation, AI surpassed human in the processing power (ability to process million of case vs ten or hundred of case by human - computer never get tired :)), chatbot ability to hold conversation, humanoid and with ability to access data about you in facebook, whatapps or any social media, Anyone interested in AI powered 'Clairvoyant' Siri ?
       

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    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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    « Reply #27 on: July 08, 2018, 01:44:05 AM »
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    Hey Enqi,

    Thougth I think Gmuli would be the better person to respond to your post...

    There can only be so much information that can be coded to give u results as stated by theory (or whichever information coded into the system... Remember garbage in garbage out)

    AI is data driven no code driven. The more data you can throw at an AI (or Deep Learning) task, the more accuracy is derived from the modeling. ('Garbage in garbage out' is so old school! )

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    AI will not give u the experience accumulated over the years by observation (unless of cos this experience is coded inside, where to find these experiences then?)

    Look at the work that has been done to teach computer models to play the game of Chess and Go. These computer models are now ranked with top international Chess and Go champions.

    The one area I am not sure can be interjected into the AI models is synchronicity and intuition. I believe these are two very important aspects of divination and fate reading.

    All the best,

    Ren

    AI can differentiate what is rubbish data and not rubbish data ah? So when we feed more rubbish data to the modelling, it will give more accurate results in deciphering non rubbish data .... Ah?

    In chess moves, all moves and counter moves are known. AI just have more processing power to think about next steps faster than human brain.

    In the interpretation of metaphysics AI will only have taken in observations in situations that has happened before .

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    « Reply #28 on: July 08, 2018, 08:52:23 PM »
    Rephrase the question; will practitioners and masters still learn CM (go thru this route) even if it make them obsolete and replaced by AI.

    For me, I've no regrets going thru this.
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