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  • Re: Month stem for southern hemisphere bazi
    « Reply #15 on: July 08, 2018, 12:48:02 AM »
    So - nothing wrong to use Chinese time if we think Qi from heaven is universal.
    The season (Month Pillar) and the time (Hour Pillar) are two different cases.
    Did you notice that in the chart are TWO groups of pillars? We have (Day Pillar=>Hour Pillar) and (Year Pillar=>Month Pillar).
    Day Pillar is NOT depend on Year Pillar and it is calculated differently.
    Year Pillar (and of course Month Pillar) is connected with the orbit of Earth when Hour Pillar is connected with the rotation of Earth.
    So... Month Pillar depends on the position in the orbit of Earth when Hour Pillar depends on the "position" in the day time at the chart's place (so it need seek True/Real Solar Time).
     8)

    Very difficult to make bazi apps without being aware how the stems/branches are calculated in the solar calendar... ; )

    Hour pillar Stem is calculated based on Day Pillar stem.
    Month pillar Stem is calculated based on Year Pillar Stem.

    Hour and Month pillar branches are NOT connected to day or year pillar stem directly.

    Hour pillar branch is calculated based on the current time and that is different depending on our location of earth.
    Peach blossom branches fall around sunset/sunrise, though that isn't as accurate as it is for month branch.

    Month pillar branch is calculated based on the apparent Sun longitude, creating the season.

    Is Month branch based on Earths orbit?
    No its not.
    Its based on the seasons. However the best way to calculate seasons today is to use Suns apperent longitude.

    So on 90 degrees of Suns longitude we have the end of  9.Seeding millet 芒種
    with the begining of 10.Summer maximum(solstice)夏至.
    This is made in this way not because 90 degrees is some universal degrees when Wu horse branch is suppose to be, this is made in this way because at 90 degrees we have Summer Solstice.
    And that is what we keep and work to preserve. And that is the reason we invert the branches in the other hemisphere.


    So while it is based on the apparent Sun longitude, it is based on it so it could be connected to Earths seasons it isn't based on it because 90 degrees have some meaning outside of that that is same everywhere we are and not connected to anything.

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  • Re: Month stem for southern hemisphere bazi
    « Reply #16 on: July 08, 2018, 12:51:24 AM »
    Season relates to earth aspect
    Heaven propagates earth propagates man

    I read from Rudolf Steiner that the seasonal energy comes from the “breathing” of the earth. If there is a correlation between western and Chinese metaphysics, then what you said makes sense.

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    Re: Month stem for southern hemisphere bazi
    « Reply #17 on: July 09, 2018, 10:26:48 AM »
    This method is not working. Wasting time.


    Spot on by @chary
    Won't work on me also.

    As if they try to find another recipee when standard recipee not working.
    Instead of creating new recipee, they create new mess with some kind of "weird" taste.
    « Last Edit: July 09, 2018, 10:28:22 AM by anton8888 »

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    Re: Month stem for southern hemisphere bazi
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