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  • Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « on: August 10, 2018, 10:37:59 PM »
    Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi theory worked.

    Today marks the changing month pillar to Metal Geng.

    One of the stubborn problem AUTOMATICALLY SOLVED and in spoon-fed manner as well.

    So, the traditional Bazi learners, you have nothing worry about traditional bazi accuracy despite there are attempts from mangpai supporters who claim mangpai is better, etc.

    These are potent tools to competent users.

    p/s: Not going to share more detail of application due to privacy issue, otherwise I would post in Bazi board. ;D

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #1 on: August 10, 2018, 10:45:13 PM »
    For me, I never deny Bazi works. Bazi works but it's the level of details that bothers me*.

    But Ghost month is tomorrow. Are you ready?

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    *Skills of practitioner is taken as constant, so we're solely looking at the CM method itself (as some members often argue, "level of details depends on skill of practitioner"). Imagine a Bazi grandmaster and Ziwei grandmaster both reads my chart but it's the Ziwei grandmaster that has more details about my chart.
    « Last Edit: August 10, 2018, 11:11:40 PM by ArtofFugue »
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #2 on: August 10, 2018, 11:04:59 PM »
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    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 10, 2018, 11:34:35 PM »
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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #4 on: August 11, 2018, 12:13:34 AM »
    For me, I never deny Bazi works. Bazi works but it's the level of details that bothers me*.

    But Ghost month is tomorrow. Are you ready?

    https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=15566.0

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    *Skills of practitioner is taken as constant, so we're solely looking at the CM method itself (as some members often argue, "level of details depends on skill of practitioner"). Imagine a Bazi grandmaster and Ziwei grandmaster both reads my chart but it's the Ziwei grandmaster that has more details about my chart.

    ZWDS is another potent tool to competent users.

    I had seen the demonstrations by aoefengshui. And some of his clients keep coming back year after year like annual medical checkup. That alone speaks volume. No doubt about that as well.

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #5 on: August 11, 2018, 01:54:33 AM »
    @ArtofFugue

    I missed your grandmaster vs grandmaster part.


    Here to add my usual 2 cents. ;D

    If one looking at current English publication, your theory might be true. ZWDS has clear advantage vs traditional bazi. 12 palaces vs 8 characters. Can fly some more. ;D

    But elsewhere in Chinese publication and also recently one highly knowledgeable master accidentally revealed some secret recipe (if you like this term) during his usual boasting talk.

    In bazi, we could do analysis by looking at:

    own natal chart + yearly chart (pointed on Li Chun day) + country natal chart + your spouse/people close to you (always around you) chart (own natal chart) + daily chart (pointed on daily basis)

    Put in the gods, put in the sound, some with hybrid mode bazi + X and this X could be one of many divination systems, TBSS, ZWDS, and more. It's like a grand calculation mechanism, point system.

    If one dig deep enough, there are some lesser known methods in bazi as well. Maybe it's experimental, maybe it's fake. Buy more read more Chinese Bazi books. But I know you are not into Bazi... ;D

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #6 on: August 11, 2018, 03:38:49 AM »
    The bazi inquirer wants to know.  :(
    If everything in life is measurable, then understanding destiny would be as simple as counting 1, 2, and 3.

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #7 on: August 11, 2018, 08:28:04 AM »

    ................
    If one looking at current English publication, your theory might be true. ZWDS has clear advantage vs traditional bazi. 12 palaces vs 8 characters. Can fly some more. ;D

    ................
    own natal chart + yearly chart (pointed on Li Chun day) + country natal chart + your spouse/people close to you (always around you) chart (own natal chart) + daily chart (pointed on daily basis)

    Put in the gods, put in the sound, some with hybrid mode bazi + X and this X could be one of many divination systems, TBSS, ZWDS, and more. It's like a grand calculation mechanism, point system.

    If one dig deep enough, there are some lesser known methods in bazi as well. Maybe it's experimental, maybe it's fake. Buy more read more Chinese Bazi books. But I know you are not into Bazi... ;D

    When I look at something, I examined its merits too, not just minus points:

    1. Bazi also has 12 houses + 4 additional pillars. But usage of stars is not as flexible and wide-spread as ZWDS, prob Bazi is actually ZWDS 1.0.

    2. ZWDS also got country charts and spouse/ppl close to you's influences (ie; DNA influences).

    3. If Bazi is combined with divination, it's usually to the Year branch only.

    4. Don't forget the 5th pillar (ie; Minute pillar)! :)
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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #8 on: August 11, 2018, 08:44:32 AM »


    yeah, I did notice in ZWDS too. There are many strange / lesser known / interesting area books like talking about god and ghost, karma, nation prediction, etc.

    Never ending stories. CM is expensive hobby.

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #9 on: August 11, 2018, 08:46:08 AM »
    ...............

    Never ending stories. CM is expensive hobby.

    CM is living art. It is constantly evolving and growing.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #10 on: August 11, 2018, 11:24:58 PM »
    Just to share. my shallow knowledge. I use 3 points to validate a sign in bazi. It tedious. So far works.
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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #11 on: August 12, 2018, 01:11:09 AM »
    Just to share. my shallow knowledge. I use 3 points to validate a sign in bazi. It tedious. So far works.

    Mind to share more detail which 3 points?

    Myself just stretch the surface on Bazi (a beginner)..mostly theoretically, some I heard from other people boasting coffee shop talks.. and not even have read many Bazi charts.

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #12 on: August 12, 2018, 01:53:30 AM »
    Just to share. my shallow knowledge. I use 3 points to validate a sign in bazi. It tedious. So far works.

    Mind to share more detail which 3 points?

    Myself just stretch the surface on Bazi (a beginner)..mostly theoretically, some I heard from other people boasting coffee shop talks.. and not even have read many Bazi charts.

    Nothing extraordinary, people around me will have some affinity, so their chart could show sign of my event etc. You would have seen me asking for spouse chart or child chart? Or using another method such as qmdj or DMYZJ. When i got 3 points showing same sign. It more or less certain of an occurrence. Then i fly the flying star (it's actually useful and valid theory or skill to have)  If the person some more hit 5 yellow star. Especially the annual star, or TaiSui clashes the direction he or she stays in. It is more or less certain of occurrence.

    I edit myself …

    Not good with words.

    Basically if i see a risk such as health in chart 1. I ask for wife chart or children chart to see if it reference to chart 1. If it does, then i do a qmdj or DMYZJ to check similar sign. And if it does. I ask for floor plan. To check flying star.
    « Last Edit: August 12, 2018, 01:56:59 AM by j27945 »
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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #13 on: August 12, 2018, 02:42:16 AM »
    Just to share. my shallow knowledge. I use 3 points to validate a sign in bazi. It tedious. So far works.

    Mind to share more detail which 3 points?

    Myself just stretch the surface on Bazi (a beginner)..mostly theoretically, some I heard from other people boasting coffee shop talks.. and not even have read many Bazi charts.

    Nothing extraordinary, people around me will have some affinity, so their chart could show sign of my event etc. You would have seen me asking for spouse chart or child chart? Or using another method such as qmdj or DMYZJ. When i got 3 points showing same sign. It more or less certain of an occurrence. Then i fly the flying star (it's actually useful and valid theory or skill to have)  If the person some more hit 5 yellow star. Especially the annual star, or TaiSui clashes the direction he or she stays in. It is more or less certain of occurrence.

    I edit myself …

    Not good with words.

    Basically if i see a risk such as health in chart 1. I ask for wife chart or children chart to see if it reference to chart 1. If it does, then i do a qmdj or DMYZJ to check similar sign. And if it does. I ask for floor plan. To check flying star.

    thanks for sharing. There are many methods we can use.

    But I still cannot make sense of this acronym: DMYZJ

    what this DMYZJ stands for?

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  • Re: Today I opened my eyes and saw Bazi worked
    « Reply #14 on: August 12, 2018, 07:34:50 AM »
    達摩一掌訣。although it's 1 palm. Better to plot on paper.
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