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  • Hurting Officer Adorned by Seal Structure
    « on: August 21, 2018, 06:18:03 PM »
    Was looking at the various chart structures from trey's blog here: http://treybazi.blogspot.com/2013/10/bazi-list-of-chart-structures.html

    Somehow he have not translate the chapter regarding Hurting Office hence i'm off to look around for it from various chinese sites, decide to document it down here for future reference since i'm already at it.

    Hurting Officer is one of the ten gods,
    It is a form that Self give birth / produce to which also depletes Self,
    If Self is weak and meeting Hurting Officer to deplete self, then there is a need for Resource to block / stop / assist.
    Is Hurting Officer adorned by Seal good or bad?
    Would Hurting Officer adorned by Seal consider noble?
    Let us take a look.

    What is Hurting Officer.
    My offsprings according to matching Yin Yang, Yang born Yin, Yin born Yang's Heavenly Stem is Hurting Officer. Example, Self is Jia (Yang Wood) produce / give birth to Ding (Yin Fire) which is Hurting Officer. Self is Yi (Yin Wood) produce Bing (Yang Fire) is Hurting Officer. As to the origin of the term Hurting Officer, when Day Master is Jia (Yang Wood) Metal destroy Wood hence Xin (Yin Wood) would be Direct Officer while Wood produce Fire hence Ding (Yin Fire) would be Hurting Officer. Ding depletes Jia's Qi, controls Xin causing DO to loose it's purpose unable to assist Daymaster to accomplish nobility and also blocking Daymaster's noble qi therefore it is termed as Hurting Officer.

    Hurting Officer Structure
    To determine a chart's structure, first investigate the month's branch then observe the stems. If within the months's branch Hidden Heavenly Stem exists HO and able to portrude to the heavenly stems then the structure is complete. Example, Jia DM born on the month pillar of Wu branch follow by Ding stem, where Fire is in season. Jia produce Ding which is HO to Jia. When Yi DM born on the month pillar of Yin branch follow by Bing stem, where Fire is in season. Yi produce Bing which is HO to Yi. Both scenario contains prosperous HO in the month HHS which protudes to Heavenly Stem which fulfills the requirement of HO structure.

    What is Hurting Officer Adorned by Seal Structure.
    This structure is when HO qi is prosperous, with both HO & DO found in chart and a non prosperous (weak?) DM. DM is weaker compared to others HO & DO/7K hence causing HO meeting DO. (日主双方不是人,克泄交加,为求通关达变, Don't quite get what this phrase means but sounds important). To change would would require the usage of Resource to assist DM to control HO and to deplete DO/7K. Use Direct Resource if available else use Indirect Resource. Using DR can hope to make a living in Literature / Cultural Field, using IR can alternative means to make a living (用印绶则可往文界求生路,用偏印则可走异路谋生,someone please do a more proper translation for this part). It's similar to "7K to use Seal" structure looking at the strength of Resource to determine the level of fortune & prosperity. If Resource is strong and competent will ensure good fortune and prosperity else if weak will not have high fortune and prosperity. Come across wealth luck broken Resource is unfavourtable but peaceful if compared to RW luck. Encounter DO/7K, EG/HO luck, one dream south stem, resentment to the heart plus one (make no sense, i know but translated from 逢官杀食伤运,一梦南柯,怨字去心头加一).

    Personality of a HO Person
    HO are intelligent, talented, daring, Resource main influence is to propogate the conciousness of simplicity able to unite people. Using the influence of Resource's simplicity are able to control HO's willfulness, arrogance and courage and at the same sufficiently bring these qualities out positively.

    Hurting Officer Adorned by Seal considered big fortune & prosperity?
    Seal in life ensures self is stable in his work and behaviour and is a one of the benevolent 10 god that assist self in bazi while HO is a malevolent 10 god that depletes qi from Self. Both Seal & HO complement each other where HO person is very talented but character wise is not stable enought in which Seal are able to complement by giving Self dedication in life and a better way of expressing one's talent. HO is also the source of wealth where it produce DM's wealth but HO person will not be extremely wealthy yet thet need not worry about their living as Seal will arrive to help one another to experience nobility.

    Source: https://www.smxs.com/mingli/bzzs_bzsm/32288.html

    Mediocre attempt as my chinese and pin yin is not even half bucket full.

    I'm using Seal and Resource interchangeably. Same goes for Self & DM
    « Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 06:22:01 PM by rotiprata »

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  • Re: Hurting Officer Adorned by Seal Structure
    « Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 09:34:15 PM »
    Nice attempt. Thankyou!

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  • All about Hurting Officer Structure
    « Reply #2 on: August 29, 2018, 02:58:38 PM »
    Another more general and complete translation about Hurting Officer Structure i found on another site:

    伤官格是什么意思
    What is Hurting Officer Structure


    八字论命,
    以干支阴阳五行的生克
    制化、
    刑冲合害为基础,
    从日柱的日干与其它各干支的关系而定出:比肩、劫财、伤官、食神、正财、偏财、正官、七杀、正印、偏印十个专有名词,称为“十神”。

    Bazi life discussion,
    in accordance to Heavenly Stems, Yin Yang, Five Element's cycle of production and depletion (born and destroy)
    base on punishmenet and harms
    through the Daymaster's relationship with other Heavenly Stems to determine Bijian (Friend), Jie Cai (Rob Wealth), Shang Guan (Hurting Officer), Shi Shen (Eating God), Zheng Cai (Direct Wealth), Pian Cai (Indirect Wealth), Zheng Guan (Direct Officer), Qi Cha (7 Killing), Zheng Yin (Direct Resource),
    Pian Yin (Indirect Resource) that is known as 10 gods.

    伤官格就是月支明透或者本气为伤官的格局,会反映一个人的命运和运势。
    关于伤官,古有“伤官见官,为祸百端”之说,因为在用神中,至为尊贵的用神是正宫,伤官是它的克星,所以见伤官破掉了贵气,将灾祸连连。因此古亦有说法,那就是入伤官格,伤官一定要伤尽才好。所谓伤尽,就是在八字中四柱一点也不能出现正官。八字中如果伤官多,有财星的,或行身旺运,或行财旺运,都会富贵;行食伤运都会发财。

    Hurting Officer Structure is month branch hidden stem's qi to detemine the structure, determines a person's life and luck. (my best guestimate on the first part of the sentence)
    Regarding HO, there's a saying "Shang Guan meeting Guan is disastrous" because according to Yong Shen (Useful God), the most precious 10 god within it's proper palace is Guan while Shang Guan being its nemesis will significantly damage its noble Qi causing disasters. Hence the saying "When having Shang Guan Ge (HO structure) must hurt Guan to the the greatest extend to be considered noble", which in bazi means within four pillars must not exist Guan (DO). If within bazi appears multiple Shang Guan, meeting Cai (Wealth) or running on good luck cycle (或行身旺运 roughly translate to "within body prosperous luck" when relate to the 12 life stages of Qi may be referring to 帝旺 Di Wang? Can someone confirm this?) or running on good Cai (wealth) prosperous luck cycle will experience prosperity and nobility. If running on Shi Shen or Shang Guan luck cycle will obtain fortune.

    古代命理学家认为:伤官乃小人之情,喜财而妒官,又行财运,反生富贵。此外,入伤官格的人,命局中伤官与身旺相,不见财星的命恸主凶。这种人一旦遇到正官的岁运,就会大祸临头,理应尽快退身避职。

    Ancient numerologists believe that Shang Guan is considered to be villian / petty individual (小人), fond of wealth and envy Guan, when encountering wealth luck will oppose prosperity and nobility (又行财运,反生富贵 my translation of this part is contradicting to the above statement so need someone's clarification on translation on both part). If Shang Guan and self prosperous, not meeting Cai (wealth) then life is full of grief and Self is vicious / fierce (命局中伤官与身旺相,命局中伤官与身旺相, 不见财星的命恸主凶, there might be a better translation to this sentence). Such structure once encounter Guan luck cycle or yearly luck will have huge disaster and should retreat and lay low preferrably on matters regarding authority.

    大凡伤官格的人,只喜身旺财旺的大运,如果行运到财衰和日主死绝等地,那就财脱无禄广,不是官司打输,就是死期临头了。
    所以,《渊海子平》中有歌曰:

    In general, HO Structure people enjoy self prosperous and wealth prosperous luck cycle but when wealth luck is in decline and self is in death qi stage then "wealth to escape death to spread" (direct translation of 财脱无禄广, that certainly make no sense but i cant do any better than that), will either be embroiled in losing lawsuit or death to befall therefore Yuan Hai Zi Ping (YHZP) has an ode that sounds like:

    伤官伤尽最为奇,尤恐伤多反不宜;
    此格局中千变化,推寻需要用心忌;
    火土伤官宜伤尽,金水伤官要见官;
    木火见官官有旺,土金官去反成官;
    惟有水木伤官格,财官两见始为欢。

    HO injuring to the greatest extend is the most amazing, 尤恐伤多反不宜 (can't make sense to translate this);
    This structure exist many variations, which requires cautious examination;
    Fire DM Earth HO should injure to the greatest extend, Metal DM Water HO should meet Guan;
    Wood DM Fire HO meet Guan then Guan need to be prosperous, Earth DM Metal HO need to go against Guan to complete Guan (again another almost direct translation of 土金官去反成官);
    Only Water and Wood HO, Cai (Wealth) and Guan both meet to be considered good;


    下面举一个伤官格八字:
       
    Y   M   D  T
    甲  庚  丙  甲
    寅  午  午  午

    八字中月支午中己土对丙火来说,是我生的伤官。由于此伤官格中没有官星癸水,所以伤官伤尽,加之伤官多,月干透出庚金财星,自身丙火坐午,午又是丙火的帝旺之乡,所以是个富贵的命。

    Below is a HO Structure's bazi:

    Y    M        D     T
    Jia  Geng  Bing  Jia
    Yin  Wu     Wu   Wu

    Within the bazi month branch Wu exist Ji HHS which is the HO produced by Bing fire. Since there is no trace of Guan star in the form of Gui water therefore it is considered to be injured to the greatest extend moreover there exists multiple HO. Geng metal which is Cai (Wealth) potrudes on the Month stem and self Bing sitting on Wu whereby Bing is in it's Di Wang Qi stage and hence this chart can be concluded as chart with properity and nobility.

    伤官格分类
     
    伤官格是月令伤官,无冲合。一共有五格。
     
    1、伤官配印格,日主身弱,印星有根,伤食强旺。若有正官必须先伤后官。格成,忌财,有官杀护印除外。 忌官杀旺,以免母旺子灭。
     
    2、伤官弃官格,此格要有微弱官星与伤官对战,命局无印星(包括藏干)。最忌见财。伤尽官星,安闲富贵。
     
    3、伤官驾杀格,与伤官去官相似,但不要官杀混杂,多为武警或习武之人。
     
    4、伤官生财格,财星有根不逢冲克,无官杀,印星。凭借自己的手艺挣钱,多为富贵。运忌官杀,印星,有则破格。
     
    5、弃命从儿格,伤官(食神)旺而无制,身极弱,全局不见正偏印, 官杀, 比劫一律不见,即从儿格,多富贵。
     
    伤官生财或伤官佩印,而伤官旺印有根,或伤官旺身主弱而透煞印,或伤官带煞而无财,伤官格成也。

    Types of HO Structure:

    HO structure is Month Commander (月令) consisting of Shang Guan without clash and combination. There's a total of 5 types of structure.

    1. HO adorned by Seal sturture, DM weak, Yin (Resource) is rooted, Shang (HO) or Shi (EG) strong and prosperous. If appears Zheng Guan (DO) then necessary to first injure Guan. To complete the structure, avoid Cai (Wealth) except for when "HO mixed with DO (官杀混杂)" appears. Fear Guan or Sha properous to avoid "Mother prosperous Son extiguish" (again almost direct translation of 忌官杀旺,以免母旺子灭).

    2. HO abandon Guan structure, this structure is when "HO mixed with DO" but the Guan is weak. No Yin (Resource) in chart (including hidden stem). Most fearful of meeting wealth. Injuring Guan to the greatest extend and will enjoy carefree life and riches and honor.

    3. HO controlling 7K Structure, similar to no.2 but must not "Ho mixed with DO", will likely be involved in armed forces or martial artist.

    4. HO engendering Wealth Structure, Cai (wealth) is rooted and is not met with clash or deplete (destroy), no Guan (DO) Sha (7K), Yin (Resource). Rely on one's own craftmanship will achieves riches and honor. Will break the chart when Guan Sha, Yin is used in chart.

    5. Abandon Life to Follow Son structure, Shang Guan (Shi Shen) is prosperous but without control, Self is extremely weak, overall chart do not notice or missing Zheng Pian Yin (Resource) or Guan Sha (Authority) as well as Bijian Jiechai (Parallel) will be considered as Follow Son Structure will have many riches.

    Shang Guan produce Cai then injure Guan adorning Yin, or Shang Guan prosperous and Yin rooted, or Shang Guan prosperous self weak and through Yin, or Shang Guan control Sha and no Cai, will complete the HO Structure. (this is another tough one so ended with an almost direct translation)


    this is a long and challenging one so to be continued later...

    source: https://zhouyi.cc/bazi/sm/20922.html




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  • Re: Hurting Officer Adorned by Seal Structure
    « Reply #3 on: August 30, 2018, 04:29:06 PM »
    伤官格的含意
    The meaning of HO Structure

     
    ①伤官透干通根于月支并且得令方算伤官格。
     
    ②月干支带伤官的为伤官格,伤官格必须身旺,身旺的伤官格是好命。
     
    ③伤官为日主的泄气者,凡属伤官格的人,大多没有神秘性,但是日主强弱对于命主的贤愚智慧有极大关系。身旺的伤官格主头脑极端聪明。反之,身弱伤官格主命主相当愚笨。
     
    ④伤官格的人,虚荣心都很强,反对束缚,厌恶正官,多数都不服从领导。由于自己的才能出众,故搞自由职业的居多。
     
    ⑤伤官格的人,其叛逆性特别强,如再有比劫相助,其叛逆性愈加严重,如果有印绶制之,则能缓和一些。
     
    ⑥伤官格人的性格,待人亲切热情,并富有同情心,待人心肠很热,惟一缺点是好事已经做了,自己认为给人帮了大忙,向人讨人情,却因此容易产生不良的后果,最后落得公公驮着儿媳走,挨压不讨好。
     
    ⑦伤官格的人,一般都志向高傲,有蔑视他人的个性。
     
    ⑧伤官乃日主泄气之星,古有年带伤官父母不全,月带伤官兄弟不全,日带伤官妻子不欢,时带伤官子女凶顽。这句话从实践经验看来,不得不使人信服,但必须要看伤官是否有合与印绶之制,如年柱带有伤官,该伤官有他干合之和印绶制之,反而主其人的父母身体安泰。所以分析八字,必须要全面分析。
     
    ⑨伤官是官星之大敌,官星为子女星,故伤官多的男命,一般享受不到子女之福。如果命中出现财星,方能受益于子女。古有伤官有财主得子,无财伤旺主子死之说。
     
    ⑩伤官格旺盛的女命主克夫,因正官为丈夫。如果柱中财印均都旺盛的,不但不克夫,反而主丈夫荣达,因印绶能制伤官,财星又生正官之故也。
     
    11生日地支为夫妻宫,女命中带有旺盛伤官的,主夫妻之间常有争执;如果该伤官有干合,他柱再有印绶,或者走上了干合大运,或印绶大运,反而主婚姻幸福。

    1. Shang Guan portrude to Stem and rooted on month branch and is the month commander to be considered as HO Structure
    2. Month stem consists of Shang Guan and when Self is prosperous will be blessed with good fortune.
    3. Shang Guan depletes DM qi, and DM strengh has a big co-relation with the DM wisedom. Self prosperous Shang Guan structure person is extremely intelligent where as Self weak Shang Guan structure person is extremely stupid / clumsy.
    4. Shang Guan structure person is unyielding in nature and has tendency to challange official authority and doesn't obey to their leader or superiors. Due to their often outstanding talent and independence, most are self employed.
    5. Shang Guan structure person is very rebellious in nature and is amplified if Bijian & Jiechai is there to support. If there is Seal will be able to moderate slightly.
    6. Shang Guan structure person are often friendly, symphathetic and passionate. The only weakness is they will boldly ask for favors once they thought they have help someone significantly and often suffer from the consequences. 最后落得公公驮着儿媳走,挨压不讨好 (this sounds like a chinese proverb which i got no idea what it means).
    7. Shang Guan structure person are generally arrogant and despise the personality of others.
    8. Shang Guan is the star that depletes Self qi, in olden times it is said that year carry Shang Guan parents are incomplete, month carry Shang Guan siblings are incomplete, day carry Shang Guan wife and offsprings are incomplete, time carry Shang Guan offsprings is fierce and uncontrollable. This statement through the passage of time and experience has been proven but need to also analyse its co-relation with Seal, if year carries Shang Guan but there exists Seal to combine with it, the parents will instead be healthy thefore the bazi must be comprehensively analyzed.
    9. Shang Guan is Guan nemesis, Guan is considered as the offsprings star, therefore a male with multiple Shang Guan will not have much affinity with their children or might not even have any. If wealth appears then it's possible to have childrens. Olden time saying Shang Guan having wealth will have children, without wealth and Shang Guan prosperous will die a lonely death (another guestimate translation of 古有伤官有财主得子,无财伤旺主子死之说).
    10. Guan for female is the husband hence a female Shang Guan prosperous structure person is considered to jinx her husband. If pillar consists of Seal and is also prosperous then not only will not jinx husband but will bring him glory and honour because Seal can control Shang Guan. 财星又生正官之故也 (can't connect with this last sentence though).
    11. Day branch is considered as spouse palace, female with prosperous Shang Guan will often have disputes with their husband, but if there's a stem with Shang Guan and that particular pillar to have Seal as well, or running on "stem luck cycle" (干合大运, can't make sense what does this mean), or Seal luck cycle then the marriage will be blessed.

    伤官格行运吉凶
    HO Structure Auspiciouness & Inauspiciouness

     
    ①伤官格中带有正官,逢财星大运或印绶大运,主大吉大利。如逢伤官大运,主立见灾祸,伤官格身旺,而命式中无正官的,虽逢正官或伤官大运也无大碍。
     
    ②伤官格身旺有财星者,主好命,逢到财星旺运主飞黄腾达。身弱的伤官格有印星,也是好命,逢到走印星大运,则心想事成,特别阳日主出身的伤官与命式中偏印相合的,如走到偏印大运,则事事如意,喜事重重。
     
    ③伤官格身旺的,怕印绶生身,喜财星泄身;.伤官格身弱的喜印绶生身,怕财星泄身,行运吉凶看法亦同。
     
    ④伤官格的伤官逢长生、冠带、建禄、帝旺的主吉,逢到衰绝之大运主诸事不顺。
     
    ⑤伤官格身弱,而且食神与伤官太过的,主体弱多病,再逢食伤之大运,须要注意身体,身弱的伤官格再逢到泄身的大运主长期身体有病。
     
    1. HO Structure with Do, when running on Wealth luck cycle or Seal luck cycle will be prosperous
    2. When running on Shang Guan uck cycle, will run into disaster. If HO Structure and self prosperous without Zheng Guan in natal chart, when running on either Shang Guan or Zheng Guan luck cycle will not have much hindrance.
    3. Self prosperous with Wealth will be blessed with good fortune, when encounter Wealth prosperous luck cycle then one will experience enormous success in one's career. Self weak with Seal can also be considered as blessed with good fortune and when encounter Seal luck cycle will have one wishes come true especially Yang DM born Shang Guan that combines with Pian Ying (Indirect Resource), when encounter Pian Yin luck cycle then everything will go according to one's plan and auspicious event will occur repeatedly. When self is prosperous dislike of Seal producing self but prefers Cai depleting self. Self weak prefers Seal producing Self but dislike Cai depleting self, encountering respective luck cycle applies the same.
    4. On HO Structure on the respective Qi Stages, self born on 冠带 GuanDai / 建禄 JianLu (临官 LinGuan) / 帝旺 DiWang encountering 衰 Shuai / 绝 Jue self luck cycle, matters will not be smooth.
    5. When Self weak and chart has execcessive Shi Shen (Eating God) or Shang Guan, body will be weak and plague with sickness, when encountering Shi Shang (output) luck cycle, must pay attention to one's health. Same applies to self depleting luck cycle and body will be constantly sick.

    伤官格务要伤尽,方作贵看,元有官星,伤之财重。元有官星,运逢官祸重,元无官星,运逢官祸轻。伤官用印格,逢官祸轻。

    Shang Guan must injure to the greatest extend, in order to look impressive (again my guestimate of 方作贵看), when there's Guan star, Self injure Wealth clash. If there's Guan star, encounter Guan luck major disaster (guestimate of 元有官星, 运逢官祸重), If without Guan star, encounter guan luck minor disaster. Same applies to Shang Guan using Seal, when encounter Guan minor disaster.
     
    伤官格,身旺,或财旺,或印旺,名标金榜,一品贵人。伤官格主人多材艺,傲物气高,心险无忌惮,多谋少遂,弄巧成拙,常以天下之人不如自己,而人亦惮之恶之。伤官格,柱无一点财星可恃,虽聪明机巧,不过虚名虚利。伤官无财可倚,虽巧必贫。

    When Body prosperous, Wealth or Seal is also prosperous will have high nobility and assists by superb guiren. Shang Guan ge person is multi talented, is proud and high in their moral value, and knows no fear (guestimate of 傲物气高,心险无忌惮), many conspiracy, overreaching oneself / self-defeating (多谋少遂, 弄巧成拙 should be interpret as a whole but i only manage to translate the latter while clueless of the former), rather than depending on others will just depends on ownself due to the evil nature of human. Shang Guan structure if without wealth star to rely on, although smart and clever but it is all in vain. Although skillful but inadequate.
     
    伤官格,日主健旺,再行伤官运可发名利;日主衰弱,再历财官乡祸不可言。伤官见财者,官高而财足;伤官若见印绶,贵不可言。日主伤官,岁收伤官当破面。伤官伤尽,论主兴隆,身旺则吉,身弱则凶。伤官其志傲王侯,好胜场中强出头,路见不平须愤怒,抑强扶弱不干休。

    Shange Guan structure, self prosperous (健旺 suppose to translate to health prosperous but i figure it make no sense), encounter Shang Guan luck cycle can achieve fame & fortune; self weak and meet wealth and guan then disaster will be unimaginable. When wealth is excess and Guan is Noble (官高 suppose to be high ranking but i'll translate as noble instead) meeting Seal then nobility is unimaginable. DM Shang Guan, Year Shang Guan defend broken face (another poor attemtp to translate 日主伤官,岁收伤官当破面). When shang guan injure to the greatest extend, self prosperous will be auspicious while self weak will be inauspicious. Shang guan is very "Gung Ho" (for lack of a better work) and within his eagerness to win lies the fact that he likes to stand out in the crowd, he will no matter how stand out to defend the weak if he encounter any injustice and won't easily let matters rest. (this paragraph is heavy on chinese figure of speech and idioms which i find very hard to translate).
     
    唯有水木伤官格,财官两见始为欢。水生春令喜火金配合得宜,水太盛用土止之 。伤官遇者本非宜,财有官无是福基,日时月伤官格式,运行财旺贵无疑。伤官伤尽最为奇,若有官星祸更随,恃己凌人心好胜,刑伤骨肉亦多悲。

    Only Water & Wood Shang Guan structure, Wealth meeting Guan considered to be joyous. The aquatic spring is best for Fire Metal to  match, Water is too strong to use Earth. Shang Guan is not suitable to encounter this, got wealth without guan consider lucky. Day, hour, month pillar with Shang Guan configuration, when encounter prosperous wealth luck will no doubt attain nobility. Shang Guan injure to the greatest extend is very peculiar, if there's Guan star disaster will follow, 恃己凌人心好胜,刑伤骨肉亦多悲 (unable to brain this).

    伤官格的喜忌
    HO Structure Likes & Dislikes

     
    主要先看日主与伤官的强弱如何,而取用神一般为:日主强取财为用,喜伤官生财,忌见劫财印绶。
    Mainly looks at the strength of DM and Shang Guan as well as to examine the Useful Good to use and avoid (取用 my take this would be the usual Ti & Yong / Body & Application common in all CM subjects) in general: If Self is strong, to take Wealth as "Yong", likes Shang Guan generate Wealth, dislikes meetingg Jie Chai (Rob Wealth) Yin Shou (Seal).

    日主强,无财官取伤官泄秀为用,喜见财星,忌见印绶。
    Strong DM, no Wealth & Guan to deplete Shang Guan, takes Shang Guan depletes Qi as "Yong" likes meeting Wealth and disikes meeting Seal

    日主强,比劫多,财星衰,伤官轻,取官为用,喜见财官,忌见伤印。
    Strong DM, many BiJian or JieCai, Wealth star in decline (衰, should be the Shuai Qi life stage), Shang Guan light (probably refer to HO being weak), takes Guan as "Yong", likes meeting Wealth Guan, dislikes meeting Shang (HO) Yin (Seal).

    日主弱,取印星为用,忌见财星而喜印相生。
    Weak DM, take Yin star as "Yong", likes Yin mutually engendering, dislikes meeting Wealth star.

    日主弱,无印而取比劫为用,喜劫印忌见财官。
    Weak DM, no Yin take Bijian JieChai as "Yong", likes meeting BiJian JieChai, dislikes meeting Wealth Guan.

    日主强,印星多,取财为用,喜见伤财,忌见官印。
    Strong DM, Yin star in excess, takes Wealth as "Yong", likes meeting Shang Guan Wealth, dislikes meeting Guan Yin.

    伤官格之成败得失
    The success or failure of the HO structure

     
    成功的伤官格
    1、日主旺之伤官格,命局有财星配置适当来顺泄伤官旺气,流通全局之气势者。
    2、日主强之伤官格,命局有七杀,而用伤官驾杀而没有印星来制伤者。
    3、日主弱之伤官格,见印星生身制伤,而无财星来坏印者。
    4、日主弱,伤官旺,命局杀印透干相生,不见财星坏印者。
    5、日主强之金水伤官格,命局有官星来调候者。
    6、日主弱之金水伤官格,命局官印两全而健全考。

    Successful structure
    1. DM prosperous, accompanied by Cai (Wealth) star that depletes Shang Guan properous qi, properly circulating the chart's  overall qi.
    2. DM strong (强 vs 弱, prosperous vs unyielding / strong), natal chart with accompanying 7K, using 7K to harness 7K and with no Yin star coming in to disrupt.
    3. DM weak, meeting Yin star product Self to control Shang Guan and without Cai star coming to disrupt Yin.
    4. DM weak, prosperous Shang Guan, accompanied by Sha (7K) Yin potrude to stem engendering one another, do not see Cai star disrupting Yin.
    5. DM strong, Metal or Water Shang Guan structure, accompanied by Guan star to harmonised climate.
    6. DM weak, Metal or Water Shang Guan structure, both Guan & Yin appear to check and balance each other.

     
    失败的伤官格
    1、日主强之伤官格,命无财星,伤官也轻,却见印旺者,
    2、日主弱之伤官格,局无印星制伤生身,又见官星者。
    3、日主弱之伤官格,局无印星且财星势旺者。
    4、日主弱之伤官格,取印为用,却有财星坏印而无比劫护印者。
    5、日主弱之伤官格,局内无印,用比劫帮身,却见官杀克伐比劫者。
    6、日主强之伤官格,取财泄伤为用却见杀旺者。
    7、伤官格,月令地支遭逢刑冲者。

    Failed structure
    1. DM strong, without Cai star, Shang Guan is weak / light, yet meeting prosperous Yin
    2. DM weak, without Yin star to control Shang Sheng (output), and meeting Guan star.
    3. DM weak, without Yin star and Cai is prosperous.
    4. DM weak, takes Yin as "Yong" but with Cai star to disrupt Yin and no JieChai to protect Yin.
    5. DM weak, natal chart without Yin, use BiJian JieChai to assist Self, but meet Guan Sha to restrain Bijian JieChai.
    6. DM strong, takes Cai to deplete Shang Guan as "Yong", but meet Sha (7K) prosperous.
    7. Month Commander (月令) stem encounter punishment clash.

    Still got another small portion that is filled with flowery sentences which is quite PITA to translate...

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    So deep!

    Anyway, what does adorned mean ?

    Thanks!

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    Wow, ever thought about writing friend and Rob wealth gods as well.  I don't think these two gods r discussed in trey blog & personal find these two gods difficult to understand.

    Actually Trey did translate Friend structure but he name it Jian Lu / Yue Zhi structure instead. You can find it within this forum.

    I don't mind translating if I were pointed to a good source. My problem is it's very hard for me to go through the search result and translate 1 by 1 as only after half way through would I know if the article is off substance or just hype.

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    So deep!

    Anyway, what does adorned mean ?

    Thanks!

    I'm trying to tie back to Trey's translation so I used adorned but the more direct translation should be "matching" as in "Hurting Officer Match With Resource"

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    So deep!

    Anyway, what does adorned mean ?

    Thanks!

    I'm trying to tie back to Trey's translation so I used adorned but the more direct translation should be "matching" as in "Hurting Officer Match With Resource"
      Thanks for answer!

    Btw, who’s Trey?

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    @Administrator maybe you could help me change this thread tittle to "Hurting Office Structure" instead of the current "Hurting Officer Adorned by Seal Structure" as my latest postings includes information in establishing various other HO Structure variations and not specific to the initial one only. Might be a bit misleading with the current title.

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    I'm trying to tie back to Trey's translation so I used adorned but the more direct translation should be "matching" as in "Hurting Officer Match With Resource"

    On second thought paired might be a better word as in "Hurting Officer Paired With Resource".

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    quite good.Is there one on eg or iw?

    i got 4 eg but not sick all my life.I got cholesterol but is genetic all my family has it and they have no strong eg or ho.
    i got diabets 2 in 2002 but it was caused by a psychiatrig drug prescrbibed by a doctor,still,it is well controlled.And my body isnt weak im broad shouldered although a bit lazy and hard to motivate

    but im not someone who is plagued by diseases and ive already had a double ho cycle wu xu in my twenties
    but im not exactly a major success so im not sure my chart qualifies as follow son

    ding ding xin xin
    wei wei chou chou
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    quite good.Is there one on eg or iw?

    i got 4 eg but not sick all my life.I got cholesterol but is genetic all my family has it and they have no strong eg or ho.
    i got diabets 2 in 2002 but it was caused by a psychiatrig drug prescrbibed by a doctor,still,it is well controlled.And my body isnt weak im broad shouldered although a bit lazy and hard to motivate

    but im not someone who is plagued by diseases and ive already had a double ho cycle wu xu in my twenties
    but im not exactly a major success so im not sure my chart qualifies as follow son

    ding ding xin xin
    wei wei chou chou

    Hi Socrates, i've yet to find a good chinese source as detailed and elaborate on the rest of the 10 gods. Will post it here if i do and manage to translate it. No easy feat as the second article took me +/- a week time to actually translate and still tonnes of typo and not so accurate or incorrect translation.

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