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WWG or QMDJ?
« on: October 24, 2018, 02:54:19 AM »
Dear all,

I have this confusion and appreciate to read your opinion and thoughts.

If I can study only one system:
Wen Wang Gua (it's called LYYG) or QMDJ, what do you recommend?

Thanks!

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  • Re: WWG or QMDJ?
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2018, 05:17:04 AM »
    Dear all,

    I have this confusion and appreciate to read your opinion and thoughts.

    If I can study only one system:
    Wen Wang Gua (it's called LYYG) or QMDJ, what do you recommend?

    Thanks!

    Systems of the Five Arts are interconnected... I haven't counted how many times a question about a problem for house in WWG, has showed same conflict in the lines that we can see in the stars at the entrance or sitting using Flying Star.

    Same thing for health, if we don't know some basic TCM images (traditional chinese medicine), will be very challenging to fully understand a health divination.  In the sense that it just won't happen.

    But if we have to look into QMDj and WWG as a choice between them...

    In QMDJ we draw a map of the current battlefield every 2 hours(or more depending on the school). The idea is every question that comes up in that 2 hours will have its answer in the battlefield.
    But the problem is, if you ask 30 questions, you may start to have problems with the fact the answer is always the same map...

    While you can ask WWG as much as you want in any time period, at least in the sense you will get different hexagrams as answer.

    So WWG may seem like it will be more suited for many questions... As no 2 hour(or more) battlefield map restriction.
    However QMDJ is for warfare. That means that we can do a lot more with it then just answer a question... But that you probably know.

    As all of the Five Arts systems, while in general both cover divination, they are approaching it in a different way and are more suited for different tasks.


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    Re: WWG or QMDJ?
    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2018, 05:45:38 AM »
    Thank you Gmuli for raising interesting points:

    In QMDJ we draw a map of the current battlefield every 2 hours(or more depending on the school).
    Could you please explain more about the schools that draw more than one map in 2 hours?

    However QMDJ is for warfare. That means that we can do a lot more with it then just answer a question... But that you probably know.
    Does WWG also have this capability of "doing" and not only answer a question?

    As all of the Five Arts systems, while in general both cover divination, they are approaching it in a different way and are more suited for different tasks.
    That is exactly what I'm asking and trying to understand!
    Could you please explain more about how each system is suited for different divination tasks? which tasks WWG can perform that QMDJ cannot and vice versa?

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  • Re: WWG or QMDJ?
    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2018, 06:00:53 AM »
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    Could you please explain more about the schools that draw more than one map in 2 hours?

    I meant more then 2 hours. As there are daily, monthly, yearly maps and some of them have different ways of calculation.

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    Does WWG also have this capability of "doing" and not only answer a question?

    Not so integrated within. We can change our approach to change the element on our line, that works fine. But in comparison to going through the doors of QMDJ to change a whole situation its more or less nothing. : )
    The QMDJ changes... I haven't tested them as much as I would want to,so I can't say more right now.  In the future maybe, if all is ok.

    That is exactly what I'm asking and trying to understand!
    Could you please explain more about how each system is suited for different divination tasks? which tasks WWG can perform that QMDJ cannot and vice versa?

    WWG in my view is a lot easier to work with time. As if we know BaZi and how the Solar Calendar works(stems/branches), we can just follow from the Hexagram to the months and days.

    QMDJ works much, much better with space. As the whole system is spacial in nature. Even for medical stuff, something in Li palace, can affect the head for example. Then we check how, and there is so much in each palace, that its easy to see.

    In WWG... In theory some lines can represent the head, or the whole hexagram can represent the body, I have never seen it work very well. Elements to the organs works very well, so again - good for finding out specific info in relation, but when it comes to the spacial component - not so much.

    QMDJ even though we can read much about the Solar Terms in relation to calculating the Ju, in practice it uses the Lunar Calendar. So working with time there will be... Well, again based on space. For example in medical divination cases, we can see people seeing the stem or star representing medicine in the same Palace as illness - means healing will be succesful. However again - it is based on space, we say it because it is near.

    In WWG it would be different, if we see line representing medicine to control the line of the illness, we can say it should be beneficial. Then we can look in the calendar for when.

    So QMDJ very good for space.
    WWG much easier for time.

    At least that is my current understanding.


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  • Re: WWG or QMDJ?
    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2018, 07:08:25 AM »
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    WWG in my view is a lot easier to work with time. As if we know BaZi and how the Solar Calendar works(stems/branches), we can just follow from the Hexagram to the months and days.

    QMDJ works much, much better with space. As the whole system is spacial in nature.

    I don't have much experience with WWG, but if I may interject from the viewpoint of the Maoshan school of Qimen Dunjia? We use many layers for discerning time interactions in a Qimen chart.

    Depending on the nature of the question, there are broad-scope options like the "spirit of time" for determining times of big chances for wealth and success. We can also look at interactions of the earth branches (year, month, day or hour) to activate certain aspects in the chart, and there are also ways to prognosticate developments (of the subject of our question) for the next years (not using the earth branches), all with one chart.

    On the top of my head I can think of four of the most common, different ways to work with time in our system of Qimen Dunjia, so I find it to be a very versatile tool for working not only with space, but also with time  :)
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  • Re: WWG or QMDJ?
    « Reply #6 on: October 24, 2018, 02:33:40 PM »
    QMDJ is more than just a divination tool. QMDJ is quite tedious to be plotted for impromptu divination but i believe it has the most information to be deciphered.

    Both WWG and QMDJ uses the time of the subject being divine as pivot. I personally practise Mei Hua Yi Shu and find it more versatile as in it highest form you can divine out of anything you observe from your surrounding as long as there's movement and not entirely static.

    My theory of learning is something like this: the more rules there is to abide the higher the learning curve but the easier to master once one is well adapt with it while the lesser the rules the easier to pick up but harder to master. IMO QMDJ is the most complicated, followed by WWG and lastly MHYS.

    But my view is obviously biased as i do not practise neither of the mentioned techniques and my understanding of it is basic at best.

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    Re: WWG or QMDJ?
    « Reply #9 on: October 26, 2018, 03:52:20 AM »
    Thank you all for the feedback and opinions! I learn a lot.

    Is there any English book that teaches WWG to an advanced level (not just basic level)?

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  • Re: WWG or QMDJ?
    « Reply #10 on: October 26, 2018, 05:04:55 AM »
    Thank you all for the feedback and opinions! I learn a lot.

    Is there any English book that teaches WWG to an advanced level (not just basic level)?

    Books about WWG in English are few. Good ones even less. Best source, in my view, has always been the forum. From what I'm familiar with I would recommend only this:

    https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=17211.0

    However, may be challenging to pick up the whole system just from that.

    There is website Super I Ching and book with it... We have topics about that. Some of our old members were very much against it, I think there are some interesting ideas, although some are too far out for me. Link is here:
    http://www.superiching.com/

    There are some correspondence courses and some other books, some of them will be difficult to find now or expensive, or just not going deep enough in the system. More info all around the forum and there are some schools and authors that sell books from their sites that haven't been mentioned I think, like Raymond Lo.

    In my view, its better if as we start we write the relations, branches etc. ourselves until we get a feel of how it works. After that there are apps that can help the process a lot.

    I'm using my own, obviously, also its free. Link is here:

    https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=15200.0

    Manual is here:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/380367830/Gmuli-Wen-Wang-Gua-Calculator-Manual

    There are more alternatives, the copy/paste text  we can often see posted by people asking question, is from here:
    http://www.zhycw.com/pp/liuyao.aspx

    This is in Chinese, there are more in English as well.

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