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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #30 on: February 11, 2019, 05:00:08 PM »
    Hi All,

    This chart is of someone I know.  According to one master he's a strong daymaster,

    A malaysian master? What else did the master mentioned with this chart?

    Anyway if using strong and weak analysis style, i agree with strong dm.

    I only heard it from the chart's owner so this is second-hand info: The master thinks this is a chart of a person who should be rich but the wealth in EB cannot be accessed because there's no earth (wealth) heaven key (HS). That's why in Wu Xu LP (2027+) he either will be able to reap the EB wealth OR he'll be having money issues due to Xu-Chen clash.  Also mentioned he should do well working in finance biz.

    What do you think about this reading?
    Wu earth LP will be not a good LP because Wu earth clash or control ren water which he need water.

    Xu LP will be mixed. One side wealth come, additinal wealth is not good for this chart. The other xu clash chen will open water tomb, water tomb open is good for him. So it will be mixed LP. Also xu combine mao its a not good sign because his root combine. Sign problem between money and self.
    « Last Edit: February 11, 2019, 05:02:51 PM by windwheel »

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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #31 on: February 11, 2019, 05:09:29 PM »
    His output EG is without roots. Naturally he wont like what he is doing.

    Hi @TianQi
    For this chart his mth pillar ren chen. What is your view on his HS ren? That's his (soul)yong shen. In your view how can he strengthen it? Is there anything he can do?
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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #32 on: February 11, 2019, 05:42:40 PM »
    His output EG is without roots. Naturally he wont like what he is doing.

    Hi @TianQi
    For this chart his mth pillar ren chen. What is your view on his HS ren? That's his (soul)yong shen. In your view how can he strengthen it? Is there anything he can do?

    @Remoteviewer

    Yong shen and soul is different.
    Yong shen is useful god, it can several.
    Soul only one and the key.

    The soul not ren to be specifically. Its ding.
    If using strong vs weak analysis style, i agree with the master strong dm.

    But in most of my analysis, i not using weak and strong dm anymore. As i explained before in page 1, weak can easily become strong and vice versa. Every chart is dynamic not fixed, so everything can change. This concept at first probably confusing.

    So in most case this style can work its best if only through careful analysis especially interaction between earth element and AP LP interaction. Same like not every clash is bad, not every combination is good.

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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #33 on: February 11, 2019, 06:00:23 PM »
    Hi @TianQi In your own words what is the definition of this soul? I m a bit slow in getting the soul right. Could you help me understand it better tks.
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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #34 on: February 11, 2019, 06:11:10 PM »
    Wow very deep analysis by TianQi, thanks for sharing. As a Bazi beginner I think it's rare to see Nayin that's also considered into the analysis. ;D

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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #35 on: February 11, 2019, 07:25:39 PM »
    From his chart DM doesnt like ding. Ding is there just to provide money for DM. DM Big dream is to convert ding into wood and supply him with all his high class lifestyle. DM main goal is to enjoy life with minimum work. So how does ding be his soul? 
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    Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #36 on: February 12, 2019, 12:58:11 AM »
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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #37 on: February 12, 2019, 10:10:33 AM »
    Hi All,

    This chart is of someone I know.  According to one master he's a strong daymaster,

    A malaysian master? What else did the master mentioned with this chart?

    Anyway if using strong and weak analysis style, i agree with strong dm.

    I only heard it from the chart's owner so this is second-hand info: The master thinks this is a chart of a person who should be rich but the wealth in EB cannot be accessed because there's no earth (wealth) heaven key (HS). That's why in Wu Xu LP (2027+) he either will be able to reap the EB wealth OR he'll be having money issues due to Xu-Chen clash.  Also mentioned he should do well working in finance biz.

    What do you think about this reading?

    Based on your explanation, he is a classical master. From your explanation looks a bit shallow analysis, maybe because you only heard some of it or the master just using simple term to easier the explanation.

    I adding deeper analysis, this wealth indirectly belong to DM. He needs to assist the boss in year pillar because 辰 is 癸 tomb, the noble element for 乙 DM.

    1st reason is 丙 clash 壬 and 卯 harm 辰, he rejected the boss that is why his nobleman in wrong formation. Both 丙 and 癸 is yi noble elements and it hurts. Translate as want being boss however this is not his destiny not supporting.

    2nd reason however he never lacks of wealth because 丑 connected with 辰, year pillar is big and it brings back to hour however not fully control.

    His job is to prosper the boss then in return he obtained the very good wealth. If there are any big boss in this forum can select this man as marketing expert, have good potential to bring wealth.

    丁丑 is the "soul" of this chart especially 丁. In nayin 丁丑 is 水之不流清澈处. The place where water does not flow and the water is clear. This palace have good foundation for the chart which protected from flooding.

    Just be aware with 丁酉 LP because 酉 disturb the whole process. In next
    戊戌 lp he can rise and hit very good windfall depend on AP.

    Additional note, his health quite good, but from now be aware with lungs, bronchial, throat, blood circulation issues.

    Best regards
       TianQi

    Wow.  Thank you for the analysis.  I didn't realize the impact of You-Mao conflict to be so influential.   I have never heard the "soul" term so I don't understand it but will research on it.  As for NaYin, how much effect does this have on a person's overall chart?  Is it something we should always consider in chart reading or is it more of an extra like Shen Sha?

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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #38 on: February 12, 2019, 10:14:27 AM »
    IMO this chart is weak. From the classics (see below) DM should have the support from:
    1) the season - the season is Earth - so weak.
    2) min. 2 of the stems  - only one, so weak.
    3) min. 2 of the branches (main HHS) - only one, so weak.
     :(
    His LP is Ding You:
    1) Ding combines with Ren - so Ren is excluded from the support to DM
    2) You clashes with Mao - so Mao is excluded from the support to DM
    - in this LP DM is very very weak without the support from Ren and Mao
    - the clash with Day Pillar (You-Mao) always means the troubles in personal life.
    Year 2018 was Wu Xu:
    1) Xu clashes with Chen - so Earth is more stronger
    2) very strong yang Earth and very weak DM Yi - the loss of wealth (yang Earth is Proper Wealth) is evidently.
     8)

    So based on your explanation, in terms of strong or weak DM, the strength can change depends on the LP+AP?  In an LP+AP whereby the DM strength is reduced until he's considered a weak DM (for that period), the effect of other elements will also be switched accordingly  (e.g. if wealth was favorable before, for this period it's not favorable)?  I've always thought strong or weak is attached to the natal chart itself and not changing by period.

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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #39 on: February 12, 2019, 02:02:56 PM »
    Hi all i divide into several parts for easy reading

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    Earth leads all elements at the end of every season.

    Eg 3rd month 辰 late spring, earth qi is dominating, wood qi as residual, water qi as tomb.

    "Earth element if closed main qi is earth, if opened main qi not earth anymore."

    辰 already opened by "atop". 乙 meet all wet earth land with strong root. The EB condition can flooded anytime. The flower needs sun to healthy. But then 丙 clash 壬 and 卯 harm 辰.

    If you still not sure which qi is the most prosperous : "Look at nayin melodic elements".

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    壬辰 is dragon water, a heavy water.

    乙卯 is mist, why mist? The flower and morning dew hence melodic element is water.

    丁丑 is 水之不流清澈处 The place where water does not flow and the water is clear. A yin fire sit on wet earth, a warm cave help absorbing the water. It is moist hence melodic element is water.

    Now look at year pillar as focal point. 丙辰 is 堤岸 (embankments). The sun sit on water tomb read as fire tamed water hence melodic element is earth, to control water. This earth nayin to prevent a river flooding an area thats why it called 堤岸 (embankments).

    So you see all of the pillars are water. Can an earth na yin fully control such strong water na yin? That's impossible it needs help. Where? 丙辰 nayin likes metal and wood!

    So the "soul" is 丁丑. Look at 丁丑 nayin explanation + 丑 is metal tomb. Why metal? It is the bridge forming earth - metal - water production cycle. Now it does make sense? To create a harmonious melodic elements. This is quite a good chart. So from nayin viewpoint the "soul" is 丁丑.

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    Now switch to bazi, as i previously mentioned : 辰 already opened by "atop". 乙 meet all wet earth land with strong root. The EB condition can flooded anytime. The flower needs sun to healthy. But then 丙 clash 壬 and 卯 harm 辰.

    丙 and 卯 cannot moving, they busy each other. Why we still need to force 丙, 卯, or 壬 as the "soul"? it just does not make sense. 壬 is the worst choice, totally nonsense.

    So where is the soul? Yes it is 丁. What 丑 purpose? To interaction with 辰 in year pillar. Year is big money and it have interaction with hour pillar which is dm side from wood and fire gang. Dm needs to assist the boss in year pillar then in return dm receive the wealth. Nayin and bazi deliver same analysis.

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    Soul is hard to explain because every chart condition is unique and dynamics. Cannot just a partial view that's why no fixed rules in it.

    Basically from 8 words, find 1 word and this word cannot disturbed.

    "You cannot live without your soul, without the soul you not live."

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    Why 丁酉 bad for him, look at 丁丑 pillar. 丁 appears in HS meaning it is the arrival of 丁 EG. As you know how 丁 role is very important, it cannot disturbed. At EB 酉 clash 卯, this means DM easily choosing bad decision.

    Then 酉 also wanna combine 丑 and 辰, this 酉 just a troublemaker preventing 丑辰 interaction. That is why a very bad LP. He just entered 2018, it just the beginning of nightmare.

    If you think na yin, shen sha just a decoration. If you think current level of bazi have reached its peak you will disappointed. Especially if you never see some real expert analysis using additional house like house of conception, house of life.

    Do not make any sects limits you or being diehard fans of any sects. When you do, you "stop".

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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #40 on: February 12, 2019, 03:22:49 PM »
    In zi wei there is this 身宫 and it has soul meaning. In bazi there are basically 3 versions each talk abit about your desire, purpose or goal in different stage of life. Basically it can be many things depending on what you are asking in the chart. Too tired to search more on website. I'll just save it for later reading.
    Om Mani Padme Hum.

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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #41 on: February 12, 2019, 03:53:55 PM »
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    Why 丁酉 bad for him, look at 丁丑 pillar. 丁 appears in HS meaning it is the arrival of 丁 EG. As you know how 丁 role is very important, it cannot disturbed. At EB 酉 clash 卯, this means DM easily choosing bad decision.

    Then 酉 also wanna combine 丑 and 辰, this 酉 just a troublemaker preventing 丑辰 interaction. That is why a very bad LP. He just entered 2018, it just the beginning of nightmare.

    If you think na yin, shen sha just a decoration. If you think current level of bazi have reached its peak you will disappointed. Especially if you never see some real expert analysis using additional house like house of conception, house of life.

    Do not make any sects limits you or being diehard fans of any sects. When you do, you "stop".

    My apologies, I meant no disrespect by asking about the importance of Na Yin and/or Shen Sha.  Thank you for clarifying.  Your analysis is very deep for a beginner like myself hence the question.

    On another note, even if the master didn't say much about affair/money problem, a palm reader already warned him about those since 2-3 years ago but he still got into it anyway.  Is it due to weak willpower in his own person (can one gauge a person's willpower in a natal chart)?  Or is this because 酉 clash 卯 makes him choose bad decision even when he already knew the impending doom?  What's your experience on this when reading other people's charts?

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    Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #42 on: February 12, 2019, 05:32:33 PM »
    So based on your explanation, in terms of strong or weak DM, the strength can change depends on the LP+AP?
    DM ? No ! LP/AP cannot change the strenght of DM but the sum of them can strenghten (give the support) or weaken (take away the support) DM.
    If some friends come to help you, do that change your self strenght ?  ;)
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    I've always thought strong or weak is attached to the natal chart itself and not changing by period.
    I agree.
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    « Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 05:36:02 PM by RapaNui »
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  • Re: Is this strong or weak daymaster?
    « Reply #44 on: February 14, 2019, 09:22:04 AM »
    @TianQi @Remoteviewer @Axis @RapaNui @windwheel @blackswan @johnyqi Thank you so much for your analysis and input.  I have to admit I probably only understand half of everything but I'll slowly read more and research.  You guys remind me that a chart's Bazi must be analyzed as a whole and not in parts or on the surface only.

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