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  • Combination in Bazi
    « on: May 11, 2019, 09:13:31 PM »
    Let's say that a Bazi chart has Snake and Monkey. What are the rules that Snake and monkey will combine and transform into Water.
    1. Do snake and Monkey have to be sitting next to each other in Year and Month or Month and Day or Day and Hour for it to combine?
    2. Does the Month of the chart have to be in Water month for Snake and Monkey to transform into Water?

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 03:18:16 PM »
    personally, I don't really view that 6 combination will be "transformed" into another element, but to "extract" the specific element. take snake and monkey as an example, in order to "extract" the water out of monkey ("Monkey is the born phase of water", the hidden stem also contains Ren water), both of them has to sit side-by-side, with the month branch has to be water or wet earth (Chou & Chen). without Dry earths or fire month, if stems of these 2 pillars are water, it can also be extracted.

    I always has an image of Si-Shen combination in my mind - a steel bowl covered the wet earth under the sun, it collects water from vapor from the ground.

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 09:22:22 PM »
    Thanks so much for your response. We both agree that Snake and Monkey must be sitting next to each other in the internal chart for the combination to take place. However, I still question the transformation because different Bazi masters have said it differently.

    Let's look at a scenario described below:
    1. There is a Snake in the internal chart. It can be in Year, Month, Day or Hour
    2. Going through a 10 year luck period of Monkey. If and only then in the annual luck and monthly luck of Pig, Rat and Ox for the water transformation to occur

    At this point, I personally believe that Snake and Monkey, so are the other 5 combinations will combine and transform without having to be in water month and Water luck period. I say this because of my own chart and a few others I have read while learning to decode Bazi charts.

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 10:11:39 PM »
    Thanks so much for your response. We both agree that Snake and Monkey must be sitting next to each other in the internal chart for the combination to take place. However, I still question the transformation because different Bazi masters have said it differently.

    Let's look at a scenario described below:
    1. There is a Snake in the internal chart. It can be in Year, Month, Day or Hour
    2. Going through a 10 year luck period of Monkey. If and only then in the annual luck and monthly luck of Pig, Rat and Ox for the water transformation to occur

    At this point, I personally believe that Snake and Monkey, so are the other 5 combinations will combine and transform without having to be in water month and Water luck period. I say this because of my own chart and a few others I have read while learning to decode Bazi charts.
    I agree that different teachings by different schools, that's the sad situation of CM, no SOP and no statistical proof. so I guess best approach is to based on the personal practical experiences.

    Let's go back to the fundamental part of bazi, there are 2 taichi points of every bazi chart -- day master and monthly branch. day master is center of the conciousness, monthly branch is the center of energy or more appropriate, we called it Qi. The rule of thumb is, the monthly branch or season dominate the entire Qi of the chart. For example, borned in Si Fire month, water is at deceased (绝) phase, with a Shen gold from luck pillar, it's unlikely to have the water transformed, everything is just scorching hot. Just my opinion according to this very basic concept.

    I wish to elaborate the complete information however I do not have a structured materials now. perhaps in the near future I wish I could have write those concepts that I'd learnt in some articles.

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #4 on: May 16, 2019, 05:32:59 AM »
    Thanks again for your input. It's discussion like these that will eventually clear things up for us. I know for a fact that the following combinations will always take place no matter what the month of birth is in the Bazi chart internally:
    Day      Month     Year        Result
    Rat       Monkey   Dragon   Water
    Snake   Ox          Rooster   Metal
    Horse    Tiger      Dog         Fire
    Goat      Pig         Rabbit     Wood

    Externally: always combine and transform
    Year    Month       10 Year luck or Annual Luck  Result   
    Rat      Monkey     Dragon                               Water

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #5 on: May 16, 2019, 11:51:44 AM »
    Agree! knowledge exchange is through discussion or debate.

    For these combinations, technically it's correct saying in this way, triangular combinations can activate strong Qi of the element that transformed, because it's the combination of 3 phases of the element -- born (长生), prosperity (帝旺), grave/storage (墓). 

    Just to share, in terms of the bonding quality or force of combinations:

    3 seasonal combinations (e.g. 寅卯辰) > 3 triangular combinations (e.g. 寅午戌).

    3 triangular combinations == half triangular combinations == 6 combinations.


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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #6 on: May 16, 2019, 08:40:41 PM »
    Very interesting of the degree of different combinations shared by you. You mention Graveyard/Storage that reminds me of the following:
    Key       Storage/Graveyard  Element Released
    Snake    Ox                         Metal
    Tiger      Dog                       Fire
    Pig         Goat                      Wood
    Monkey  Dragon                   Water

    I have used the above concept Key -> Storage/Graveyard for decoding some of my friends' chart. It's so far making a lot of sense to me. However I read quite a lot of articles written on the subject online but so far very little or almost nothing on the Key to open Storage/Graveyard

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    Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #7 on: May 16, 2019, 09:24:52 PM »
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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #8 on: May 16, 2019, 11:29:14 PM »
    Thanks Axis for the link. I don't yet have access to view many hidden posts on this forum. For now, I stick to what I have learned so far on Graveyard/Storage in decoding Bazi charts. The more I learn about Bazi, the more interesting it gets

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #9 on: May 17, 2019, 10:19:52 AM »
    Very interesting of the degree of different combinations shared by you. You mention Graveyard/Storage that reminds me of the following:
    Key       Storage/Graveyard  Element Released
    Snake    Ox                         Metal
    Tiger      Dog                       Fire
    Pig         Goat                      Wood
    Monkey  Dragon                   Water

    I have used the above concept Key -> Storage/Graveyard for decoding some of my friends' chart. It's so far making a lot of sense to me. However I read quite a lot of articles written on the subject online but so far very little or almost nothing on the Key to open Storage/Graveyard

    Some knowledgebase will refer this as Gong combination (or 拱合 in chinese), however, I don't think this will work out. Storage would have to be released by key with the phase of properity (Rabbit, Horse, Rooster, Rat). takes example of fire, the Qi between Dog and Tiger is winter, how could a prosperity Fire being induced during winter?

    I think maybe you can share one of your friend's chart here if you don't mind, so we could use it as the example of the discussion.  :)

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 07:38:46 PM »
    I unfortunately unable to share the Bazi charts of my 2 friends because they do not want it. For the time being, I don't think the season has any influence on it. Here are some info and the reasons why I conclude the way it is.
    1. Strong Ren Water Day Master(Male)
    2. Rooted Indirect Wealth Star(Ding Fire) also spouse star
    3. 10 years luck period in Dragon
    4. Annual luck in Monkey(2016)
    He and his wife and a very close friend all three together lost a lot money(Rob Wealth????)       

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #11 on: May 18, 2019, 09:37:43 PM »
    I unfortunately unable to share the Bazi charts of my 2 friends because they do not want it. For the time being, I don't think the season has any influence on it. Here are some info and the reasons why I conclude the way it is.
    1. Strong Ren Water Day Master(Male)
    2. Rooted Indirect Wealth Star(Ding Fire) also spouse star
    3. 10 years luck period in Dragon
    4. Annual luck in Monkey(2016)
    He and his wife and a very close friend all three together lost a lot money(Rob Wealth????)       

    it's too little info for me, so I'm not too sure about what's causing the lost of money.

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  • Re: Combination in Bazi
    « Reply #12 on: September 17, 2019, 06:16:30 PM »
    This Birth Chart has half triangular combination / Ban San He / 半合 (Chen-Zi)
    Male: 02 January 2013 10 am


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