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    Reading at it again, I have to clarify, all fits to what I know, but there is important detail missing. All of them have 2 possible states they can be open(Store) or they can be closed(Tomb).

    In the first case they bring inflow of what the Store contains, while in the second the access is sometimes cut to what is inside and the Tomb is in state of "receiving".

    All is accurate, but this is important to fully understand how it works. : )

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    MangPai has closer relationship to traditional Bazi than it initially seems. It's an end user method to simplify layers upon layers and methods among methods of the traditional method.

    Master Duan only grasped half of the MangPai system and rework the other half from traditional method. His earlier works has residue of conventional method until his final revision where he has completed MangPai in his current form.

    If you analyse JLim's reading which is essentially Duan's version and @Han reading, you relised JLim will combine when it is there while Han will observe whether the month branch allows or not.

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    Thank u Roti Prata for your thoughts. What you say is interesting. I just did a quick scan on Books 1 & 3 again. Book 1 contains a plethora of 10 case studies in Chapter 12, the last chapter. They are anecdotes retold by an unnamed Mangpai disciple who seems to be a direct disciple of Master Xia Zhongqi 夏仲奇 and witnessed all his amazingly accurate predictions. At the end of each case study, both Master Duan Jia Ye 段建业 as well as Master Hao Jinyang 郝金阳 made annotations to explain the theories behind the accurate predictions. All these names are already mentioned by JLim in the thread below, so I'm very sure that Sir Jlim is familiar with all these masters' POV as well as the book I'm translating now.

    https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=352.0

    I am not sure what the hierarchy is like, or if there is any. Based on how the 10 case studies are structured, Master Duan is usually the person to make the final annotation. Master Duan, Master Hao & Master Xia all gave their own personal analysis and contributions to this unnamed disciple who might or might not be He Yi Lin.

    Book 3 Chapter 9 page 483 is an interview conducted with Master Duan himself. In page 489 he claims authorship of Book 3 but admits his ideas and theories are reverse-engineered from Master Hao. He credits both Master Hao as well as Master Xia as being at a Grandmaster level whose level of accuracy can be reached as long as all of us continue to learn and evolve. The original 'Kou Jue' or curt, poetic verses memorised by Master Hao have already been lost by the earlier generation. Master Duan did manage to have these verses verbally spoken to him before, but at that time was not skilled enough to memorise or understand the deeper meaning behind these verses. Now that he is older and wiser, he is able to grasp the meaning behind the verses a bit more deeply. In the year 2002, Master Duan did write 2 books which mixed Traditional concepts with Mangpai concepts. DM strength / weakness was still being mentioned as he was in transition. Finally at the end of the interview in page 491, Master Duan warns us against diluted or misguided Mangpai teachings. He believes that anyone who still adopts concepts about DM strength & weakness as well as Useful Gods is not an authentic Mangpai subscriber.
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