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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #152 on: July 28, 2019, 03:09:53 PM »
    Thanks @existentialistalbert for great translation. Wanted to add a couple of important info to this.

    墓中逢鬼要知之,夾煞持丘骨肉離,犯此凶星無救助,生來福壽少年虧

    I think it's important to remember in this passage there is a short sentence 犯此凶星無救助. 生來福壽少年虧.
    It is important to understand this passage because it points out that there are saving combinations to this makeup.

    For example: Maria Sharapova

    丁  甲  戊 
    卯  辰  戌sha

    Even without knowing hour pillar Wu DM meet Jia Chen is 慕煞。 Yet the chart also show's 三奇之贵 with 丁 in year pillar.
    Jia also has strong roots in Mao. Jia does not enter Tomb. Looking at her LP's no need to guess that her chart is also 身杀两停格 When Self and 7K are both strong.
    Because her best years were during southern luck, so her 7k most of been strong and apparent. Also 7k represents fame. If it went into tomb she would not be this famous.
    This also does not mean that 慕煞 does not bring hardship.

    We can see that she has exert her body to great extent to obtain what she has obtained.
    She also needs to continuously compete and exert herself in order to maintain her fame 7k.
    This all puts a toll on her mental and physical well-being as we can see that she also has to take drugs for her heart problems.
    So nothing is perfect. Yet her prevailing structure is not 慕煞 but 身杀两停.


    Also it is important to understand the last passage:
    煞非止七煞,乃羊刃、亡、劫,與日時或日月夾藏墓中,皆凶


    慕煞 does not just apply to 7k entering tomb, also applies to Yang Ren, Kong Wang, Jie Sha, enter tomb.
    Yet it is important to remember if you see this in your chart it is not a end all because there are saving factors.

    It is important to remember that in one chart there can be many types of structures appearing. We have to look and see which is the strongest most apparent structure.
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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #153 on: July 28, 2019, 05:39:28 PM »

    For example: Maria Sharapova

    丁  甲  戊 
    卯  辰  戌sha

    Even without knowing hour pillar Wu DM meet Jia Chen is 慕煞。 Yet the chart also show's 三奇之贵 with 丁 in year pillar.
    Jia also has strong roots in Mao. Jia does not enter Tomb. Looking at her LP's no need to guess that her chart is also 身杀两停格 When Self and 7K are both strong.
    Because her best years were during southern luck, so her 7k most of been strong and apparent. Also 7k represents fame. If it went into tomb she would not be this famous.
    This also does not mean that 慕煞 does not bring hardship.

    We can see that she has exert her body to great extent to obtain what she has obtained.
    She also needs to continuously compete and exert herself in order to maintain her fame 7k.
    This all puts a toll on her mental and physical well-being as we can see that she also has to take drugs for her heart problems.
    So nothing is perfect. Yet her prevailing structure is not 慕煞 but 身杀两停.

    Thanks Billion Boy for sharing Maria Sharpova's chart. I checked 三奇之贵 in San Ming Tong Hui. Details are vague but it seems you have a very liberal interpretation of San Qi which I find interesting. (Ding Mao in year pillar.) Normally Basic Bazi texts say Yi Bing Ding, Jia Wu Geng, Xin Ren Gui must follow a specific order with certain EB present. Criteria is actually more stringent.

    Also thanks for sharing about 身杀两停. This structure is not found in SMTH but I snooped around the Chinese websites and got the hang of it. Apparently if 7K stars are equal in strength against F / RW stars, it's better not to meet EG / HO decade luck. Resource seems the best alternative. Yes I think Sharpova's chart meets the criteria. Her resource luck in southern fire seems best for her.

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    Also it is important to understand the last passage:
    煞非止七煞,乃羊刃、亡、劫,與日時或日月夾藏墓中,皆凶


    慕煞 does not just apply to 7k entering tomb, also applies to Yang Ren, Kong Wang, Jie Sha, enter tomb.
    Yet it is important to remember if you see this in your chart it is not a end all because there are saving factors.

    It is important to remember that in one chart there can be many types of structures appearing. We have to look and see which is the strongest most apparent structure.

    Thank you for the part about 'Jie Sha'. I thought the original text meant 'Jie Cai' as only the word 'Jie' appeared. 

    Apparently SMTH has a chapter entitled '论劫煞亡神'. So 'Jie' should mean 'Jie Sha'. 'Wang' can mean 'Kong Wang' but the text states it can mean 'Wang Shen' as well.

    PS: Apparently the concept of 'Swapping / Exchanging Images' is not invented by Mangpai as well. San Ming Tong Hui discusses structures that involve the swapping of elements under certain circumstances. But I think what Mangpai did was to extrapolate these concepts, expand on them and create an innovative system, which I find very interesting. Not sure if any of you are interested in SMTH's structures involving mutual exchange. You can post yr reply here.
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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #154 on: July 28, 2019, 06:15:51 PM »
    I think Tombs seems to be a problem.

    So... Tombs take the element of the previous season(with exception of Chen that also takes Earth).
    Each element goes in Storage in its Tomb(Wood in Chen), then its entombed in the season after that(Wood in Wei).
    They can also become Storage of that same element.

    In Puppys posts we can see it goes like this:
    Chen - Tomb/Storage of Water/Earth
    Wei - Tomb/Storage of Wood
    Chou - Tomb/Storage of Metal
    Xu - Tomb/Storage of Fire

    Fire stem can't fall into something other then Xu unless its falling together with its branch.
    Wood stem can't fall into something other then Wei unless its falling together with its branch.
    Etc.

    Tombs becomes Storages(so open) when they are clashed, in bully punishment or if what they are containing clashes nearby them.
    And they close from combination, again theirs or combination between what they contain.

    Hopefully that can be helpful. : )

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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #156 on: July 28, 2019, 07:34:31 PM »
    I think Tombs seems to be a problem.

    So... Tombs take the element of the previous season(with exception of Chen that also takes Earth).
    Each element goes in Storage in its Tomb(Wood in Chen), then its entombed in the season after that(Wood in Wei).
    They can also become Storage of that same element.

    In Puppys posts we can see it goes like this:
    Chen - Tomb/Storage of Water/Earth
    Wei - Tomb/Storage of Wood
    Chou - Tomb/Storage of Metal
    Xu - Tomb/Storage of Fire

    Fire stem can't fall into something other then Xu unless its falling together with its branch.
    Wood stem can't fall into something other then Wei unless its falling together with its branch.
    Etc.

    Tombs becomes Storages(so open) when they are clashed, in bully punishment or if what they are containing clashes nearby them.
    And they close from combination, again theirs or combination between what they contain.

    Hopefully that can be helpful. : )

    Very interesting, in classical bazi we use 12 life stage of the Yang element to determine tomb.  壬墓 is in 辰. 甲墓 is in 未. 丙墓 is in 戌. 戊墓 is in 戌。Fire/Earth share same image in classic so 戌 is tomb for both Earth and Fire. 庚墓 is in 丑。
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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #157 on: August 02, 2019, 01:20:20 PM »
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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #158 on: March 21, 2020, 11:10:02 PM »
    Hi All,
    Wanted to add the bazi of Andrew Yang 2020 Chinese American Presidential Candidate.
    Andrew Yang born January 13, 1975 06:20AM New York.
    Y    M   D  H
    甲  丁  己  丁
    寅  丑  未  卯

    From the flow of the chart already see great potential, 己 born in 丑 month is 三冬之土。 During this time chart does not like to see strong water potruding or metal in EB or HS.
    Not only does his chart not have extra water and metal besides the ones hidden in  main month branch 丑.  甲 正官 is potruding and rooted in the Year Stem most give birth to 丁 Fire, Also 卯 in hour pillar also supporting 丁. This is 寒谷回春之象, Fire Qi is able to thaw the frozen Earth giving Wood a chance to thrive in Winter. This is 显贵之象.
    Officer stars in the chart is both being well controlled and contributing to the growth of the DM. 何知其人贵?官星有理会。

    Now we confirm look at Andrew Yang Facial features, Again Earth DM, 眉清目秀,鼻大口方 官禄饱满.  Can all be confirmed on his face.
    Now will he win the 2020 Presidential Candidate Race? A Chinese American Man win a American Presidential Race in the middle of a trade war?
    Again we can see some similar facial features to Chiang Kai Shek who is also Ji DM.

    From his facial features YES! He is going through 10 year good luck period of 辛巳.  Also there are other telling facial features and combination in his Face that can represent KingShip but i will not go into those right now.


    Noooo!! Andrew Yang dropped out of the race on February 11, 2020, after a disappointing result in the New Hampshire primary.

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    Bazi cannot predict kingship, because it was not made for such advance purpose.
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #159 on: March 21, 2020, 11:11:56 PM »
    For those who are interested in mangpai here is another good book to add on to your  ollection. I brought it at People's Park Centre Level3.  There is just 1 copy left.

    That shop sells alot of "copy" books, among originals. Beware! :P

    Your copy doesn't look original.
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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #160 on: March 25, 2020, 10:45:38 PM »
    Now that Andrew Yang didn't make it, can anyone analyse using Bazi why he didn't make it?
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  • Re: Basic Differences Between Mangpai & Classical Bazi
    « Reply #161 on: March 26, 2020, 01:06:52 AM »
    Now that Andrew Yang didn't make it, can anyone analyse using Bazi why he didn't make it?

    Si closes Chou(with frame/arc Si<>You<>Chou).
    This is good example of arching out for this 10 years. We can see some output is created(metal from chou), as the world get to know him, many people didn't before. Yet its not too much, as the focus moves fast to the other candidates that are left. If we believe only way to open a tomb is with the first branch from the 3 combo(si in this case), then now chou should be open and in this period whatever that means should come and show itself.
    Also it would have been closed so far all his life, bringing the question how he got to where he is...

    Why he didn't get it... Well, the elections there seem somewhat sorted out before they start, in my humble opinion, so I'm not sure he ever could, but lets say he could.
    Nothing in his chart for these 10 year period shows obtaining that much authority. Some expression(so will be easier seen) and that is it.


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