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  • Was reincarnation REMOVED from the Bible? Shock claim holy book 'was editted'
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1050983/bible-news-reincarnation-removed-catholic-church-holy-book-spt

    REINCARNATION was “deliberately suppressed” by Christian authorities, according to a shock claim suggesting the church expunged all evidence of the concept from the Bible.

    By Matthew Kirkham
    PUBLISHED: 13:06, Tue, Nov 27, 2018 | UPDATED: 13:35, Tue, Nov 27, 2018




    Reincarnation is the philosophical or religious concept that an aspect of a living being commences a new life in a different physical body or another form after each biological death. This position of metempsychosis has propagated into religious beliefs, including Christianity. For example, in Hinduism, the cycle of rebirth is referred to as the wheel of karma. The Bible explains that the body and the soul are intertwined and cannot become separated. Whereas, believers in reincarnation claim the soul looks for a new body and a way to redeem itself after death.

    A YouTube documentary – posted by Alltime Conspiracies in January 2018 – reveals shocking claims that reincarnation may have been removed from theholy text.

    Increasing evidence brought to light from various historians and skeptics show that there was a lot of information that was not only left out of the Bible, but disinformation that was deliberately added after the New Testament was released.

    The narrator claims: “Reincarnation goes against the orthodox church doctrine.”

    The YouTube clip refers to religious author Geddes MacGregor’s comment in his book, “Reincarnation in Christianity” published in 1978.

    Mr MacGregor argues that "Christians did believe in reincarnation".

    However, he adds: “All written evidence of reincarnation in early Christian teachings and in the Bible was deliberately suppressed by the Catholic church.”

    It must be noted that there is a lot of evidence that points towards a large percentage of early Christians who did accept the idea of a cycle and rebirth.

    This was around the period of 0 AD to 500 AD and it was during this time period that the stories of Jesus Christ were written down by hand and passed down to future generations.

    During this time, the Bible as we know it had not been written and put together in full.

    As the story goes it was 367 AD that the Church Father, Athanasius, designated 66 books that together formed the Christian biblical canons.

    These were, in essence, the only books included and recognised by Christian teachings.

    Upon the discovery of these crucial and important documents, scholars have been able to confirm that Gnostic Christians also believed in reincarnation.

    At this time they did not have the label of Gnostics at all, they were just Christians who followed the message of Christ and just so happened to believe in reincarnation.

    Many people claim that a certain council took the teaching of reincarnation out of the Bible.

    Although the majority cannot name the specific council, they most frequently refer to the Second Council of Constantinople (A.D. 553) and the Council of Nicaea (A.D. 325).

    At that time there were already many manuscripts in existence spread throughout the Roman Empire.

    New age believers say the church translated the Bible to expunge all evidence for reincarnation but it "did not do a complete job".


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  • *Disclaimer: Not being anti-science but to caution people about the incompleteness (or even possible "mistakes") of science and in existing "facts"/"knowledge".


    The existing books could be wrong! ???




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  • Was reincarnation REMOVED from the Bible? Shock claim holy book 'was editted'
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    REINCARNATION was “deliberately suppressed” by Christian authorities, according to a shock claim suggesting the church expunged all evidence of the concept from the Bible.

    Hmmm, I 'm not sure I would call it a shock. I learned this a few decades earlier, already as a teenager. A piece of church history.

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    What's actual date of birth of Jesus?
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    What's actual date of birth of Jesus?

    Well, if we look at the life of Herod(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great) he is popular in the Bible for this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents

    Now, we know Herod did it before he dies and we know he did it around the time Jesus was born.
    But Herod died 4 B.C.

    Suggesting that we can be absolutely sure Jesus was born before 4B.C.

    However, how much before is a question that historians argue a lot about.
    There is some info here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_birth_of_Jesus

    About the month of birth, we know its unlikely that it was in the middle of the winter and we do know the Roman Empire took the pagan holiday and "override" it as they did on many cases with other holidays and deities.

    However, what month exactly it was, in Wikipedia they guess Summer or Autumn, based on the quotes with the sheep and other stuff.

    Overall we don't know for sure, but for sure before 4 B.C.

    There are other reasons, we knew popes that moved it around and I think it was calculated wrong to begin with, but I don't remember details.

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    Chinese astronomy dates it with precision. It was  a comet that appeared in 5 BC. 

    "The Chinese say the comet appeared between March 9 and April 6 and lasted over 70 days."

    See article in the link below:

    https://www.learnreligions.com/star-of-bethlehem-birth-of-jesus-117723


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  • Chinese astronomy dates it with precision. It was  a comet that appeared in 5 BC. 

    "The Chinese say the comet appeared between March 9 and April 6 and lasted over 70 days."

    See article in the link below:

    https://www.learnreligions.com/star-of-bethlehem-birth-of-jesus-117723

    This seems very reasonable.
    Also I do think the year fits.

    And it seems in Chinese point of view it was Mao month... Lets view Mao month in year 5 BC then.


    The year 5 B C was a 乙Yi 卯Mao year.
    9 March would be 己 Ji and 卯Mao month.

    So we have so far:

    Day Month Year

    X Ji      Yi
    X Mao Mao


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  • Re: Evidence suggests Reincarnation was intentionally removed from the Bible!
    « Reply #12 on: September 10, 2019, 11:14:37 AM »
    Comet? Shooting star?
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  • Re: Evidence suggests Reincarnation was intentionally removed from the Bible!
    « Reply #13 on: September 12, 2019, 10:47:28 AM »
    Chapter Johannes : 1 - 7

    Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind

    1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

    3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

    6 After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. 7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.

    How Jesus " able " to distinction between sin created by the man and his parents ?
    If Christian did not believed reincarnation or original sins or disconnect deeds inheritance between parents and childrens why Jesus mentioned " nor his parents sinned "

    In beginning of Christianity , there were many saints teach reincarnation from East Church ( Syria ) / Coptic
    But on AD 4 after Nicaea agreement things changes

    You will find difference concept from one source ( Bible ) among Christians. Depends on their sects or denominations.
    Hence all depends on the persons themselves as so many sects in them
     


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  • Re: Evidence suggests Reincarnation was intentionally removed from the Bible!
    « Reply #14 on: September 12, 2019, 11:19:19 AM »
    Quran 29 verses 19 - 21
    Sahih International
    Have they not considered how Allah begins creation and then repeats it? Indeed that, for Allah, is easy.

    29:20
    Sahih International
    Say, [O Muhammad], "Travel through the land and observe how He began creation. Then Allah will produce the final creation. Indeed Allah, over all things, is competent."

    29:21
    Sahih International
    He punishes whom He wills and has mercy upon whom He wills, and to Him you will be returned.


    Quran 2 : 28
    Sahih International
    How can you disbelieve in Allah when you were lifeless and He brought you to life; then He will cause you to die, then He will bring you [back] to life, and then to Him you will be returned.

    Didn't it mentioned " reincarnation ? "
    But again, Arabic language its not easy to understand it, why ? its quite differences between the language of arab and language of quran. Language of quran most of them connected to Sanskrit, hence quite difficult for interpreter when its catch the hidden meaning

    Example ? When Cri Muhammad said " chanting with 99 ASMA of Allah ". There is NO words ASMA in arab language. Asma is Sanskrit language , refined language of " NAME ". In Javanese it still used to daily conversation among younger to the elder ( elder here means can be in society, relation, respected ones ) when asking whats your ASMA ( name ) please ?

    Another example : quran said JANNAH = heaven world. There are many jannah. Sanskrit words is JNANA

    So ? for my self its all depends on the person how to interpreted their own holy scriptures. Thats why long time ago Veda only taught to Ksatriya by the reason they are kind of defender of the nation, agama / religion. Not allowed to teach to Vaisya ( trader characteristic / biz personality ) other wise they would create money from preaching LIKE WHAT HAPPENING NOWADAYS lol, nor teach to Sudra ( slave personality means will eat it raw without digest it and followed it blindly )

    As well in Hinduism catur varna is talking about LEVEL OF AWARENESS OF PERSON , or in BAZI its PERSONALITY OF DAY MASTER




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    Re: Evidence suggests Reincarnation was intentionally removed from the Bible!
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