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  • QMDJ Heaven Plate vs Earth Plate
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  • Re: QMDJ Heaven Plate vs Earth Plate
    « Reply #2 on: September 16, 2019, 08:50:55 PM »
    Another difference that I realized, in JY's books, the Tai Sui or Grand Duke is using the stem, but in this book, it says: 太歲月建宮,都以地支推, the Tai Sui is using the Earthly Branches. I wonder why there's a difference.
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  • Re: QMDJ Heaven Plate vs Earth Plate
    « Reply #3 on: September 16, 2019, 11:18:27 PM »
    Just realized for number 8, it's the term for the states of energy.

    8.天芮星在旺宮病重、廢休囚宮:病不重。
    Tian Rui is in 旺 Prosperous stage indicate a serious illness, if Tian Rui is in 廢 Abandoned, 休 Weak, or 囚 Trap stage: the disease is not serious.

    9.天芮落宮之地盤干被剋時為癒期。
    Earth plate stem of Tian Rui that's countered by another palace indicate the timeframe of recovery. (I'm not sure if I understand this point correctly and wondering the real example of this)

    For number 9 above, it seems similar to "Forecast Recovery Time Frame" in JY compendium:
    "If a Heavenly Stem 天干 in another Palace counters the Heaven Plate 天盤 Stem in the Heavenly Grain 天芮 Palace"

    But this time, again it's using the Earth plate. Just wondering why there's a difference.
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    « Reply #4 on: December 14, 2019, 01:58:50 PM »
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  • Re: QMDJ Heaven Plate vs Earth Plate
    « Reply #5 on: December 14, 2019, 03:54:47 PM »
    Hi rainmaster,

    So far I have not encountered any other source that's using Earth plate for divine illness.
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  • Re: QMDJ Heaven Plate vs Earth Plate
    « Reply #6 on: January 08, 2020, 05:00:09 PM »
    I ll take a guess at this.

    8.天芮星在旺宮病重、廢休囚宮:病不重。
    天芮's element is earth.
    It would be strongest 旺 at Li palace (fire), fire produce earth. Serious illness, hard to recover.
    It would be weaker when it lands at one of the palaces below, should be able to recover.
    廢 at zhen xun (wood)
    休 at qian dui (metal)
    囚 at kan (water)

    9.天芮落宮之地盤干被剋時為癒期。
    This talks about when one will recover. Something about locating a palace that counter's 天芮's palace using earth plate stem as reference? Palace position is also represented by 12 animal signs, 12 animal signs also represent months. If you can identify above, one will be able to find out when illness will recover I think.

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  • Re: QMDJ Heaven Plate vs Earth Plate
    « Reply #7 on: July 04, 2020, 04:50:02 PM »
    The earth/heaven plate is similar as in other CM applications.
    In QMDJ earth plate is one that is fixed and moves only rarely, and heaven plate moves every double hour.

    So if you're doing thorough analysis, then on one of the angles to interpretation earth plate represents past, and causes, and heaven plate represents future and outcomes.

    For illness analysis also check the 天心 box, as well as box with 乙 stem. It is good if 芮 produces 乙 & 心 as these represent doctors.

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  • Re: QMDJ Heaven Plate vs Earth Plate
    « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2020, 01:22:35 PM »
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    I try to translate the text but need help to understand point 8 and 9.

    占卜要領
    Main aspects of divination


    1.地盤干宮逢生門:病會癒、不死。
    Earth plate stem meets Sheng Men: the disease can be cured.

    2.地盤干宮逢死門:病難癒。
    Earth plate stem meets Si Men: the disease is difficult to be cured.

    3.地盤干宮入墓:病凶。
    Earth plate stem enter graveyard: inauspicious sign.

    4.地盤干宮入墓又加凶星、凶門星、無救神:不可救、纏綿。
    Earth plate stem enters the graveyard and also meet bad stars, bad doors, bad deities: incurable disease.

    5.地盤干宮遇凶星,加奇門上下干三奇:可死裡逃生。
    Earth place stem meet bad stars, and meet San Qi (Yi, Bing, Ding): can survive.

    6.地盤干宮遇三奇、吉門、星、天地相合:不藥可癒。
    Earth plate stem meet San Qi, lucky doors, stars, Heaven and Earth in harmony: no need medicine the disease can be cured.

    7.地盤干宮與天芮星同宮:病魔纏身、老病。
    Earth plate stem is located with Tian Rui: serious illness.

    8.天芮星在旺宮病重、廢休囚宮:病不重。
    Tian Rui is in prosperous stage, … (?): the disease is not serious.

    9.天芮落宮之地盤干被剋時為癒期。
    Tian Rui … (?)

    8.天芮星在旺宮病重、廢休囚宮:病不重。

    Tian Rui is prosperous when in palace 6 and 7. Handicap at palace 9, rest at palace 1, captive at palace 3 and 4.


    9.天芮落宮之地盤干被剋時為癒期。
    Tian Rui palace's earth stem has month broken as the happening of the event.
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    Re: QMDJ Heaven Plate vs Earth Plate
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