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  • hi everyone and master master here. Actually, i am really curious who created and wrote ba zi and zwds a long time ago? Was it a human being or god? if a human being create and write ba zi and zwds , does that mean our fates are determined by a prediction of human being not by a god? why should everyone here believe the prediction of ba zi and zwds that was created and written by a human being? a ba zi or zwds is just like a theory on the piece of paper and in a reality, theory and a real life are usually different 360 degres.  actually god create a human being and only god knows how old a person is going to die exactly. and a god will never ever disclose the secret of human life. so does everyone here believe that  god create a ba zi or zwds?. so my question is how many percentage does everyone here believe the prediction of ba zi and zwds? does everyone here ever try to predict using a ba zi or zwds and the result  comes 100% true in a real life, not just by a coincidence?

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  • BaZi is not about predictions, it’s about probabilities. No analyzer can claim anything 100% because as long people have will power, they can change the outcome. But these method do help us to get a better grasp of our strengths and weaknesses, but we should never take results as absolute. I think most experts here would agree.
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  • I believe that certain information got provided externally, from non-human sources, and then we expand on it by observing the nature and its patterns.
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  • BaZi is not about predictions, it’s about probabilities. No analyzer can claim anything 100% because as long people have will power, they can change the outcome. But these method do help us to get a better grasp of our strengths and weaknesses, but we should never take results as absolute. I think most experts here would agree.


    Hi johnyqi. what is the different between predictions and probabilities?don't you think that both  predictions and probabilities are  both the same meaning like a gamble, can be right and can be wrong. can be a winner and can be a loser. nothing is a sure thing. so what makes you think that ba zi and zwds are probabilities? don't you think the result of probabilities is also never 100% sure. Now i ask you, how many percentage do you believe in ba zi and zwds? do you ever try to predict yourselves using ba zi or zwds and how many percentage does the result comes out true in a real life?

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  • I believe that certain information got provided externally, from non-human sources, and then we expand on it by observing the nature and its patterns.


    hi johnyqi. what do you mean by " non-human=sources "? is it like a god or unseen creatures, like a ufo? do you mean that there are another lives , before a human's life, that create and write a ba zi , zwds? so do you mean that ba zi, zwds is created  based on every human life's experience one by one?

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  • Been using bazi on daily basis for years now, and I would say its always accurate in listing the influences. 

    So why predictions aren't always accurate...
    Think of a calendar.
    You see Sunset is coming.
    If you are aware of some basic physics or can search the net, your estimation of that should always be accurate. So with some calendar knowledge, it will always be right on the mark.

    Yet, any predictions that iwll follow may not be true depending on circumstances and the way the practitioner is thinking about it.
    What can we say for sure for a sunset.
    It will get colder.
    It will be darker.
    Much of nature iwll go to sleep.
    Most of the people will go to sleep.
    Many shops and government owned structure will be impossible to access. Some will open(night clubs etc.)

    All this we can guess with very good expected accuracy.
    Yet the next step is more difficult.

    Can we say that for someones life in specific. For example will they be colder?
    They may have heating in the building they are in that will actually make it even hotter then it would be during spring.
    We can say they would be colder if they don't put effort to warm it, yet there are many places where the heating is provided by the building itself(landlord or government etc.)

    And of course there are places where there isn't a stable building and electricity at all, where the person would just be cold.

    We know the person asking is in a forum, so they do have access to heating, probably.

    Can we say it will be darker?
    Not always, if they spend the night awake in a place with many lights(lets say casino for example), it will be much brighter then anyone would guess.
    And while we may be able to see in there with divination and other systems, if we are just giving general outlook, we may not know that.

    Yet the potential is there. For most of the world it will be dark and for them that will bring many other possible influences, all will be there, but how will show in reality will depend on many other factors sometimes.

    So much of the translation Elemetns > Events could be a guess, unless we ask or its very clearly showing something form more then one Image.
    Yet the elements are always right on the mark, that shouldn't take long to see(few years for most people, if they have sources that present valid info).
    People would rarely answer more then 2-3 questions in a forum with many replies, so the accuracy in prediction may seem low even for very good practitioners. Not because the system doesn't work perfectly, just because it gives tendencies, how that will show in reality can be different depending on other factors and as we can't know that we often guess how it showed up from more then a few possible ways.

    Of course, here comes divination systems. They can show how it came in reality and if oyu look around the forum, the % accuracy in prediction is much higher for Liu Yao, for example, then it is for Bazi or ZWDS from what I have seen. From some members its near 100% and many members are improving through the years as well. In there, its also tendencies so that also can change, but the time frame is much smaller, so its much more likely to be accurate.

    At the end of the day, its just very accurate calendars, that can now only show the Sunset in a day, but it can also show the Sunset(Peach Blossom Metal) in someones life. How will be read depends on the practitioner, how many questions they can ask and how good they know the system and the person they are working with.

    But the system will always provide the situation with the elements flawlessly, in my experience. The reading part and translating it to events is where the challenge often is.

    Is the system made by people... Maybe, observing nature all this can be seen, so I think its very much possible. Is it made by god... There are many definitions of god, there are more then 4 thousand recognized religions in the world, so it would depend how we see god. If we see it as state of being where we are more connected to everything, then sure, god made them.
    If we see it as some creative force that has created everything, then of course, as by definition all would be created by that.
    And there are countless other ways.

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  • God creates everything. If you faithfully believe in it, then it's everything. Otherwise, it's nothing.

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  • Re: who created and wrote the prediction of ba zi and zwds a long time ago?
    « Reply #10 on: October 28, 2019, 09:35:00 PM »
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    does everyone here ever try to predict using a ba zi or zwds and the result  comes 100% true in a real life, not just by a coincidence?

    Here's my online results (excluding real life readings):

    1) https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=2114.msg26218#msg26218 (95% true only  :-\)

    2) https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=134.msg13447#msg13447 (95% true only  :-\)

    3) https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=13967.msg150168#msg150168 (100% true, I must be lucky on that day! ;D )

    4) https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=13197.msg139404;topicseen#msg139404 (100% true, must be coincidence! :-X )

    5) https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=13732.msg147220;topicseen#msg147220 (100% true, must be coincidence again! :-X )
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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  • By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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    Re: who created and wrote the prediction of ba zi and zwds a long time ago?
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  • Re: who created and wrote the prediction of ba zi and zwds a long time ago?
    « Reply #13 on: October 29, 2019, 04:25:44 AM »
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  • Re: who created and wrote the prediction of ba zi and zwds a long time ago?
    « Reply #14 on: October 29, 2019, 08:22:43 AM »
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    Never underestimate the power of the people around the chart owner to influence his life, it is 1 of the biggest factor why some lower quality charts make it in life.

    Vice versa is also true - higher quality chart can also be ruined. Jinx is very real! People around you can affect your luck! Don't play play! :o

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    « Last Edit: October 29, 2019, 08:25:19 AM by ArtofFugue »
    By people sharing knowledge/info publicly, the info itself does not devalue to become "common internet data which lacks credibility and needs verifying". If everyone thinks in this way, nobody would want to share anymore in order to protect the value and integrity of their knowledge.

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