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  • the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « on: November 25, 2019, 10:21:05 AM »
    Hi all,

    My first post after reading the forum for a while... About the 10 years luck cycle found in BaZi and ZWDS.
    I understand how to compute them. What I really want to know is why ? What are the core life principles
    underlying their computation ?

    More specifically,
    1 - why the Qi of a month scales to a period of 10 years, rather than say 1 year or 30 years or any other number?
    2 - Why does the forward / backward movement of luck pillars depends on the combination of gender * Year HS, rather
    than any other combination ?


    Any hint about why the universe works that way  ::) ?

    I searched the forum for answers, found many explanations on how to plot luck pillars, but none about why is that so.
    Please forgive me the answers to my question as already being posted.

    Ty for your much appreciated replies !  :)



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    Re: the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « Reply #1 on: November 25, 2019, 05:01:53 PM »
    More specifically,
    1 - why the Qi of a month scales to a period of 10 years, rather than say 1 year or 30 years or any other number?
    2 - Why does the forward / backward movement of luck pillars depends on the combination of gender * Year HS, rather
    than any other combination ?
    Do you know 60 Jia Zi where there are 6 groups depend on 10 Heavenly Stems?
    1 - cause there are 10 Heavenly Stems.
    2 - cause 12 Stages of Qi of 10 Havenly Stems has forward/backward movement depend on its yang/yin.
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  • Re: the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « Reply #2 on: November 25, 2019, 05:41:05 PM »
    Hi all,

    My first post after reading the forum for a while... About the 10 years luck cycle found in BaZi and ZWDS.
    I understand how to compute them. What I really want to know is why ? What are the core life principles
    underlying their computation ?

    More specifically,
    1 - why the Qi of a month scales to a period of 10 years, rather than say 1 year or 30 years or any other number?
    2 - Why does the forward / backward movement of luck pillars depends on the combination of gender * Year HS, rather
    than any other combination ?


    Any hint about why the universe works that way  ::) ?

    I searched the forum for answers, found many explanations on how to plot luck pillars, but none about why is that so.
    Please forgive me the answers to my question as already being posted.

    Ty for your much appreciated replies !  :)

    Hi.
    In the other forum we went to great lengths trying to see the astronomy relations to all this. Why the year stem changes every 10 years, why the branch does it every 12, are they really connected to Jupiter or to intersection of the planets and stuff.
    And while some of that does have some validity, nothing is made in such a way that it would hold for that many thousands of years, with very few exceptions.

    The idea in some books is that since the real movements are different, "virtual planets" are used, similar to the stars in ZWDS. Meaning we don't know physical body that moves like this, but we are aware there is such movement as that is what we read based on.

    So where are these virtual planets?
    There is so much western science don't know yet. Western science has made a great leaps forward in many fields last few years. More importantly in genomics and the fields related to it.  This is already changing the world.

    Yet any idea that it knows all is silly. 2 centuries ago we thought "all that can be discovered has been discovered". And we know how far from the truth and how silly that is today.

    Considering that, I think we should accept that some parts of Chinese Metaphysics aren't in western science yet. There are many examples of that and western science is catching up to much of it, but there is still much that is unknown. And the x10 that is repeating all the time is currently part of that.

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  • Re: the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « Reply #3 on: November 25, 2019, 06:01:49 PM »
    Hi RapaNui !

    Thank you for your insightful reply. For the novice that I am, it raises a couple more questions...

    So I know the table with 6 groups of 10 Jia Zi, which is the basis for Death and Emptiness. Is it this one
    you are referring to ?

    1 - Can you please detail if possible? How so ?

    2 - Are you referring to the 12 growth stages ? So I noticed in this table that the prosperous stage is the goat blade
    branch, and that a Yin HS makes the stages go backward. Still, wondering why is that so ? And why do we specifically use the combination of Year HS * gender to determine Qi flow ?

     :)




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  • Re: the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « Reply #4 on: November 25, 2019, 06:10:11 PM »
    Hi Gmuli,

    Thank you for your reply. Any link to the other forum post ?
    I totally agree some "knowledge" will forever be beyond the scope of our mind.

    Sometimes, there is an understandable reason to it, sometimes, things are just the way they are.
    I'll take it from your reply that luck pillars fall into the second category.

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  • Re: the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « Reply #5 on: November 25, 2019, 06:27:48 PM »
    Hi Gmuli,

    Thank you for your reply. Any link to the other forum post ?
    I totally agree some "knowledge" will forever be beyond the scope of our mind.

    Sometimes, there is an understandable reason to it, sometimes, things are just the way they are.
    I'll take it from your reply that luck pillars fall into the second category.

     8)

    I think so.We can get somewhat the idea that as the month is based on the Solar Term(longitude of the Sun) and that is basically the Season, its like a projection of the Seasons, but this time in our whole life. But that is mostly for the branches. The stems we don't know why they repeat by 10, so difficult to guess why the Season when reflected to the persons whole life would be based on 10 as well. : )

    The 2 forums still have issues, so I have no idea if its ok to post links to there. I have to mention it, though, as there aren't many good places for the Five Arts info in English, now. Hopefully will change in the future.

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    Re: the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « Reply #6 on: November 26, 2019, 12:02:52 AM »
    Quote from: hope
    What I really want to know is why ? What are the core life principles
    underlying their computation ?
    Hi hope,
    the answer for your question is too big for the normal post on forum.
    If you want to know the principles of BaZi you must seek books in which is consider how the ancient chinese see the time. For example you have one of them below.
     8)
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  • Re: the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « Reply #7 on: November 26, 2019, 09:18:24 AM »
    Hi,

    @RapaNui : Thank you for the reference ! It is very helpful for me to be guided on which text to read for finding answers. Successfully downloaded. Much appreciated.

    @Gmuli: oh, ok. Hope the situation will change.

    Will do some research and read the reference !

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    Re: the core principles behind 10-years luck cycles
    « Reply #11 on: March 30, 2020, 08:48:17 PM »
    In My Opinion, We're in Dwapara-Yuga now starting from 1700.
    Dwapara Yuga is about electricity, space exploration, AI, Robot, etc.

    1700s Steam Engine Invented, Industry revolution
    1800s Electricity
    1900s Moon Landing
    In Dwapara Yug, Human Lifespan becomes 120 y.o.

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    Hello Hope. Not sure if you have gotten your answer as I saw this late. Years ago, I asked myself the very same questions you asked so this is my humble attempt to make sense of the decade luck cycle. TLRL if you have no time. I may have mentioned some of my ideas before here in this forum but I have forgotten where & when so I apologise for the repetition.

    1. In Western astrology, there is this concept called the Astrological Progression. This basically means that a shorter duration of time is symbolic of a longer duration of time. Most Western astrologers use the Secondary Progression when predicting secondary trends in a natal chart to supplement information given from the literal 'chart of the moment', which I assume is the primary trend. I personally use the literal chart of the moment but cannot verify the effectiveness of Secondary Progression as I seldom or never use it.

    Wikipedia is not entirely accurate or in depth, but it gives you a very quick understanding of what this means.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
       

    2. Secondary Progression, or what is called "a day for a year" concept, is based on the assumption that the the spinning of planet Earth's axis (24 hours) somehow has a mystical correlation to the Earth's revolution around the Sun.

    3. From this, we can see that it is not just the ancient Chinese who believed in Astrological Progression. Western as well as Vedic astrologers knew about it. Qi Zhen Si Yu, which is seen as a combination of both Bazi & Vedic astrological ideas, has luck periods that vary in duration depending on the planet that rules that particular period. This is known in Vedic astrology as the Vimshottari Dasha. It spans 120 years. Why 120 years? The Vedic believe that 120 is the maximum age that a person can live to.

    4. The concept of 120 years is very significant in Bazi. The ancient Chinese definitely knew about Astrological Progression but they differ from Western / Vedic astrologers in that they used one month, in other words, the Moon's revolution around the Earth, as symbolic to a decade of one's life. One month correlates to 10 years. One year, therefore, correlates to 120 years. This means that the ancient Chinese people, inventors of Bazi, somehow believed that 12 revolutions of the Moon around the Earth, or one revolution of the Earth around the Sun, is symbolic of a man's / woman's entire maximum lifespan of 120 years.

    5. So why a decade? As explained above, I think the ancient Chinese cleverly borrowed the Vedic idea of the 120-year period, as well as the Western idea of "Minor Progression" - a lunar month for a year -  combined both ideas together, and creatively extrapolated them / incorporated them into uniquely Chinese concepts of I-Ching as well as the sexagenary cycle of 60 Jia Zi.

    6. Western / Vedic astrology generally does not distinguish between forward / reverse cycle as it always uses the forward cycle. Western astrologers do acknowledge the concept of "Converse Progression" where they use one day BEFORE birth to represent & predict the first year of the baby's life, but very few Western astrologers know how to practise it. It was the ancient Chinese who used the gender of the native and other factors to determine the direction of the luck cycle. This is uniquely a Bazi / ZWDS concept that wasn't borrowed from anywhere else. Western astrologers knew it existed, but the ancient Chinese people's innovation brought it to another level.

    7. There is another reason why I personally think the 120 year cycle is significant. 120 years is twice of the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, otherwise known as"The Great Progression", which spans 60 years. (Think 60 Jia Zi which also spans 60 years - EVERYTHING is inter-connected.) Western astrologers place a very great emphasis on The Great Progression. Some even believe that the Star of Bethlehem pointing to the birth of Jesus Christ was actually a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction. It represents a point of great beginnings and endings / upheavals.

    8. I embrace all schools of thought as I believe all concepts originate from The Source.
    All roads lead to, and come from, One. It doesn't matter who borrows from who, only the truth matters.


    Thank you existentialistalbert for this thorough summary of your research. Very interesting  :)
    I am doing my own research now, similar to yours in regards that I look for clues in various astrology systems...
    Hopefully will come up with something worth sharing !



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    « Reply #13 on: April 03, 2020, 12:22:56 PM »
    @threadstarter: That would be under research topic. You should try books from Dr Ong like below:

    https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=16175.0

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