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Self + Resource heavy chart meets Chang Shen LP = Death?
« on: January 18, 2020, 01:43:34 AM »
Hope the new year brings goodness to everyone...

Based on https://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=2086.0 :

生地相逢,壯年不祿。(此言劫印重重,又行日主長生之地,主死。)
When the Jie and the Direct Resource is abundant and prosperous, and one’s self is undergoing the luck of Chang Sheng to self, denote death.

Can someone please give some insight into the following chart:

            DM                     LP   (At Chang Shen)
DING   YI     JIA  GUI    WU
CHOU YOU  YIN  HAI    WU

Will something bad happen?
What are the favourable elements for this chart?

Thank you!

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  • Re: Self + Resource heavy chart meets Chang Shen LP = Death?
    « Reply #1 on: January 18, 2020, 10:38:24 AM »
    Don't worry too much about the Chang Shen, 12 stages of life.

    Your favorite element is Earth. Are you male or female?

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    Re: Self + Resource heavy chart meets Chang Shen LP = Death?
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2020, 02:48:39 AM »
    Hi @gentlejoker

    I'm a female. What would that signify?

    Can you tell me more about the chart, please? Thanks!

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    « Reply #3 on: January 19, 2020, 08:12:17 AM »
    DING   YI     JIA  GUI   
    CHOU YOU  YIN  HAI
    10 YEARS LP    - WU WU
    2020 LP -  GENG ZI

    The spouse element in Bazi for a female is Authority star, for a male is Wealth star. You're sitting on You(Metal) spouse element. This is a very good formation for a relationship because Metal is a favorable element for you.

    Your DM is Yi Wood sitting on You(Rooster), Xin Metal. This is a strong DM. Jia Wood sitting on Yin(Tiger) indicates a rooted Jia Wood. Yin(tiger) combines with Hai(Pig) to transform into more wood. This strong wood can be depicted as a your rival looking at your spouse palace. This will likely present quite a challenge to your relationship and life for a period of time when the LP is unfavorable.

    2020 is Geng Zi year. Yi Geng combines to form Metal.. If you're single, you will likely meet your lover and marriage is at sight. However, if you're married or in a steady relationship, third party might enter. Zi(Rat in your annual LP) clash Wu(10 years LP) denotes that people around you will likely not be happy with many things you do.

    Wu(Earth) Wu(Fire) 10 years LP is a very good period for money, work, and relationship.

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    Re: Self + Resource heavy chart meets Chang Shen LP = Death?
    « Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 12:29:21 AM »
    Hi @gentlejoker

    Thank you for your insightful response, appreciate it!

    Based on your analysis,
    Earth & Metal elements would be favourable:
    - So marriage should be a good aspect in my life generally?
    - And old age would be good as well? Since my Spouse palace & Hour Pillar are both Earth & Metal elements.

    Does that mean Self & Resource elements are unfavourable?
    - Rivals such as friends or relatives would pose problems in my life?

    How about Fire elements?
    - Since this LP Wu Earth + Gui Water (Year HS) = Fire. And Fire appears in my Hour HS.

    You mentioned that all the Wood elements (Rivals) are looking at my Spouse Palace, why would this be the case? Can you please show me how to reach that conclusion? Is it because all Self elements sit next to my Spouse Palace? But there seems to be 'no interaction / combo'?

    I'm so glad to hear that this LP will be a very good period overall. Hopefully I will not be in conflict with anyone or anything this coming year of the Rat! Maybe the Horse can combine with my Tiger (fingercrossed).

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  • Re: Self + Resource heavy chart meets Chang Shen LP = Death?
    « Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 08:00:33 AM »
    You're a strong Yi Wood. You don't want more Wood and Water. The Tiger(Jia Wood) and the Jia Wood in the month heavenly stem, both are supported by Gui(Water) Hai(Water) from the Year pillar. Jia Wood is Rob Wealth and is unfavorable to you. When you enter the annual luck and 10 years luck of Wood, there is a high chance of rival(s) messing up your relationship or life in general. It doesn't need a clash, combo, harm, or anything like that.

    Your spouse palace is You(Xin Metal), lover & authority star, favorable to you. I consider it the spouse star in this case. It has no clash, combo, harm with the other pillars. So your spouse should be someone with a good social status, power and very good to you.

    The hour pillar is about your children, career and later age.

    The Fire (output) element is a mixed bag. It's about your achievement, creativity, work performance and possibly ideas to generate more money. Fire controls Metal(spouse). When the Fire luck kicks in, you're likely to focus on work, children, family, but not your spouse.

    Your best luck period is Earth & Metal. Your worse luck is Water & Wood.

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    Re: Self + Resource heavy chart meets Chang Shen LP = Death?
    « Reply #6 on: January 22, 2020, 12:35:42 AM »
    Thanks @gentlejoker

    You mentioned that You in my chart's spouse palace will not combine, clash or harm with other pillars. How about Hour EB Chou? Will they combine and transform into more Metal? Or is it too weak, being a Spring born Wood DM, Metal elements would not transform, maybe until LP HS appears either a Geng / Xin metal?

    If based on your analysis my BAZI shows that my spouse would be favourable to me, I'm quite curious why ZWDS indicates otherwise?
    ZWDS Spouse Palace = Tan Lang [Hua Ji][Self Ji] + Lian Zhen + Tuo Luo + Ling Xing

    I'm trying to learn how BAZI & ZWDS can differ. Or am I interpreting both charts wrongly?
    Trying to learn and understand at the same time.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 22, 2020, 01:28:43 AM »
    I don't know anything about ZWDS, so no comment there.

    Chou is Metal tomb. So the You + Chou won't change anything. When Si(Snake) shows up in the LP, it will combine with Chou & You to form a metal frame. There are schools out there saying that there must be Metal in the month branch or in the LP for it to transform. I disagree with that concept. The best way to confirm that is for you to not listen to me or anyone. Observe when that happens in your life and see which one is correct. No one knows your life better than yourself.     

    « Last Edit: January 22, 2020, 01:31:00 AM by gentlejoker »

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    « Reply #8 on: January 22, 2020, 02:51:37 AM »
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    Re: Self + Resource heavy chart meets Chang Shen LP = Death?
    « Reply #9 on: January 22, 2020, 08:59:43 PM »
    I don't know anything about ZWDS, so no comment there.

    Chou is Metal tomb. So the You + Chou won't change anything. When Si(Snake) shows up in the LP, it will combine with Chou & You to form a metal frame. There are schools out there saying that there must be Metal in the month branch or in the LP for it to transform. I disagree with that concept. The best way to confirm that is for you to not listen to me or anyone. Observe when that happens in your life and see which one is correct. No one knows your life better than yourself.  

    @gentlejoker No worries about the ZWDS part, I hope someone in that department could give me answers eventually.

    What should have happened if Si + You + Chou did combine together, but there wasn't any Metal elements in the HS?

    And what would happen if LP's HS eventually appears either a Xin / Geng Metal element, but without the Si (Snake) EB, apart from Annual Pillar passing by?

    For my future reference what should have and would have happened.

    Thank you!
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    « Reply #11 on: January 22, 2020, 11:38:18 PM »
    I don't know anything about ZWDS, so no comment there.

    Chou is Metal tomb. So the You + Chou won't change anything. When Si(Snake) shows up in the LP, it will combine with Chou & You to form a metal frame. There are schools out there saying that there must be Metal in the month branch or in the LP for it to transform. I disagree with that concept. The best way to confirm that is for you to not listen to me or anyone. Observe when that happens in your life and see which one is correct. No one knows your life better than yourself.   

    @gentlejoker No worries about the ZWDS part, I hope someone in that department could give me answers eventually.

    What should have happened if Si + You + Chou did combine together, but there wasn't any Metal elements in the HS?

    And what would happen if LP's HS eventually appears either a Xin / Geng Metal element, but without the Si (Snake) EB, apart from Annual Pillar passing by?

    For my future reference what should have and would have happened.

    Thank you!
    In my opinion, combination and transformation always take place. Many believe otherwise. You will have to pay close attention to see which one is correct.

    When Si + You + Chou meets will give you lots of Metal. Is Metal favorable to your DM? Yes. What is Metal in relation to your DM? Relationship & Authority.

    Yi Geng = Geng denotes a union or a bonding. As Geng is favorable to you, I can say it's a good one. This formation is afraid of Fire(Horse) because it will likely break it apart. Xin refers to lover & 7K.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 23, 2020, 01:33:58 AM »
    I don't know anything about ZWDS, so no comment there.

    Chou is Metal tomb. So the You + Chou won't change anything. When Si(Snake) shows up in the LP, it will combine with Chou & You to form a metal frame. There are schools out there saying that there must be Metal in the month branch or in the LP for it to transform. I disagree with that concept. The best way to confirm that is for you to not listen to me or anyone. Observe when that happens in your life and see which one is correct. No one knows your life better than yourself.   

    @gentlejoker No worries about the ZWDS part, I hope someone in that department could give me answers eventually.

    What should have happened if Si + You + Chou did combine together, but there wasn't any Metal elements in the HS?

    And what would happen if LP's HS eventually appears either a Xin / Geng Metal element, but without the Si (Snake) EB, apart from Annual Pillar passing by?

    For my future reference what should have and would have happened.

    Thank you!
    In my opinion, combination and transformation always take place. Many believe otherwise. You will have to pay close attention to see which one is correct.

    When Si + You + Chou meets will give you lots of Metal. Is Metal favorable to your DM? Yes. What is Metal in relation to your DM? Relationship & Authority.

    Yi Geng = Geng denotes a union or a bonding. As Geng is favorable to you, I can say it's a good one. This formation is afraid of Fire(Horse) because it will likely break it apart. Xin refers to lover & 7K.

    @gentlejoker what if Si + You + Chou meets Fire LP? Will it still be effective? Or is that going to hurt my relationship, since Fire elements hurt my Metal.

    Why would Horse in particular hurts the Yi + Geng combination? Would the Ding Fire in Horse EB be strong enough to affect the combo? Or is it because Horse's main Qi is Fire, that's why it will hurt the Metal transformation?

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