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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #15 on: February 07, 2020, 01:24:50 PM »
    They need specific interactions and influences to be active or not. But going into each can take a while and I don't have as much time lately, so I haven't checked what will be active just posted the potential for that period. Usually with so many 3-4 are active/strong the rest aren't.
    You can check it, just check how the star is made, the popular one can probably be seen in the net, someday there will be book in English for the system that we use specifically. Then check if that should apply. Like if its a negative star, try to get what is being harmed or clashed and why and see if its weak in the chart. If it is and what is harming it is strong, then it will be active etc.

    But if the star shows something very strong being harmed, then obviously it isn't a big problem as the damage will be minimal, then it won't be active and stuff like that. : )

    hi @Gmuli

    in this period wu shen is better than ji yu?in main chart are 2 god gui ren zi chen,bing si ding and mao-this mao is the dipomat between fire and water-if mao is strong-mean s the 2 god s don t fight?!shen has hidden water which will feed mao

    also ji hai when I loose everything in this date
    bing bing jia ji
    shen xu xu hai

    i read ji=ding =block ren zi or me to take ding?!=money and women-this ji is also my father =ji=dign same person
    wu shen lp=(si=bing=wu si=bing from natal chart and also from lp si=wu=arrive of wife)

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #16 on: February 07, 2020, 03:53:19 PM »
    Wealth on top of Officer and with connection to DM, suggest a control position later in life and in this case it controls a lot of people and wealth. Not so much a doctor(as that would need more resource/knowledge and stuff), but like a director of hospital or something. More managing then actually doing everyday exams and stuff.

    What jobs to take - stuff for governing people. It may not work right away, but eventually it should be the working mechanism for the chart. As all other stuff has problems where it moves closer then far away again.-how you read this and what is your thinking?

    And during all that, for all work processes they are partially helped by people and partially are being made more difficult by people(in this case Zi closing Chen, while the clash in stems above).
    how can zi close chen if zi combine with chen?when shen arrive what is mean s will be shen zi chen




    n this case, its more complex. All the water falls in Chen, Chen is open and belongs eventually to you.
    Chen has images of something containing water and also bringing inflow of water. And water for your chart are people. So many people will be moving in and out from a branch that symbolizes authority that you have.

    That flow connected also to people and water isn't the only thing bringing images of wealth, we also actually have Wealth on top of the branc
    -in what period will happen in fire lp s 41-51 -61-71?

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #17 on: February 07, 2020, 04:20:30 PM »
    [/b]-in what period will happen in fire lp s 41-51 -61-71?
    [/quote]

    Sorry, not a lot of time lately. About when... Its the work of water falling in Chen.
    When there is Arrival for Chen and water falling it it. So water branches/stems and Chen itself.
    Since there aren't water 10 year pillars anywhere near, it takes images from the 4 pillars itself, so it becomes strong at 55+, then somewhat weaker earlier on, but still possible in water years I guess.

    So I guess 55+ in water years for this specific thing.
    Fire years are good for spouse showing up, as far as work is connected it can reverse the chart, so not so good.
    But Ding/ Wei is good, you have the whole pillar falling in Chen, so again power and authority, but even though it may seem like its what I meant before, it will be different(as instead of many people you have another structure, so managing another place, not managing people directly).

    Summary. Ding / Wei will have something similar, but it isn't exactly the same. For the Water falling in Chen its 55+ and water / chen years. : )
    Don't have a lot of time to look more into it, making calculators and stuff, but its all good, just starting somewhat late in life.

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    « Reply #18 on: February 07, 2020, 05:45:44 PM »
    [/b]-in what period will happen in fire lp s 41-51 -61-71?

    Sorry, not a lot of time lately. About when... Its the work of water falling in Chen.
    When there is Arrival for Chen and water falling it it. So water branches/stems and Chen itself.
    Since there aren't water 10 year pillars anywhere near, it takes images from the 4 pillars itself, so it becomes strong at 55+, then somewhat weaker earlier on, but still possible in water years I guess.

    So I guess 55+ in water years for this specific thing.
    Fire years are good for spouse showing up, as far as work is connected it can reverse the chart, so not so good.
    But Ding/ Wei is good, you have the whole pillar falling in Chen, so again power and authority, but even though it may seem like its what I meant before, it will be different(as instead of many people you have another structure, so managing another place, not managing people directly).

    Summary. Ding / Wei will have something similar, but it isn't exactly the same. For the Water falling in Chen its 55+ and water / chen years. : )
    Don't have a lot of time to look more into it, making calculators and stuff, but its all good, just starting somewhat late in life.
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    Sorry, not a lot of time lately. About when... Its the work of water falling in Chen.
    When there is Arrival for Chen and water falling it it. So water branches/stems and Chen itself.
    Since there aren't water 10 year pillars anywhere near, it takes images from the 4 pillars itself, so it becomes strong at 55+, then somewhat weaker earlier on, but still possible in water years I guess.


    do you think this year since in geng zi year that help both chen and dm?
    si=bing=wu this power and money will be from wife?!
    can you see that I was born in rich family but paradoxal never have the right to do what I WANT IN LIFE AND I am poor-an paradox!

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #19 on: February 07, 2020, 06:11:14 PM »
    So I guess 55+ in water years for this specific thing.
    Fire years are good for spouse showing up, as far as work is connected it can reverse the chart, so not so good.

    than in fire lp s can I enter in
    bankruptcy?

    than bing wu lp=bankruptcy,when wu will clash zi-and the chart will be weak and wu-clash mao-the money machine or factory,profession-pro broken relatioonship?
    sad future

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #20 on: February 07, 2020, 06:16:47 PM »
    do you think is the same chart
    geng gui ren ding
    shen  si   zi  mao

    will be better situation for me?what hour s -should a person born on 10 dec 1987 in order to have a high great of succes!if-the hour is so improtant in this chart-as you mention
    thank you for speaking with me

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #21 on: February 07, 2020, 08:12:07 PM »
    do you think is the same chart
    geng gui ren ding
    shen  si   zi  mao

    This is very different. Coz the main work process is different, this is obtaining Resource in the hour(Si<>Shen and then Geng Producing Gui).
    So more academic, much less related to wealth etc.
    Resource as wealth is not as good, of course. Also in this case this resource seems to be connected to other people as well(Shen <> Zi, so Shen moves to join Zi, meaning it isn't as much and its other peoples academic achievement, that oyu are obtaining small part of).

    I would read it as academic later part of life not very successful, but good enough thanks to other people around.

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    do you think this year since in geng zi year that help both chen and dm?
    si=bing=wu this power and money will be from wife?!
    can you see that I was born in rich family but paradoxal never have the right to do what I WANT IN LIFE AND I am poor-an paradox!

    In fire years this may be going on, as there are many images of wealth, but it rarely ends up in you(much fire, and you are part of the stronger gang, but that same gang brings images of other people around clashing the wealth, or closing Chen as its Tomb etc.)

    So this may continue until later part of life when Chen starts to play a role if the hour is Chen hour.

    Wife will always have same Images as Wealth, so there are other ways to figure out if she will be wealthy. In this case, not much in my view, as the Fire isn't that strong in the chart.

    I can advice to try to evaluate your relations with wealth and how you think about it.
     With Chen hour it does show wealthy later part of life, but a lot of wealth all around and other people obtaining it instead every time, usually suggest that relations to wealth isn't very clear. Either valued too much(we don't take it with us, after we are done here, so valuing wealth too much can be distracting for what we are here to learn/accomplish. Or not valuing it enough, that is problem of people looking for esoterically knowledge and stuff, more often then not, as it does have its place.
    First thing in this case I guess. : )

    And of course, as we have said so many times - the cures are in Feng Shui, while bazi and Yi Jing is the diagnose. So can improve in any 10 year or other period with changes related to the environment you are in(house etc.)

    As far as the strong fire goes... There will be a lot of wealth around I would guess, but I don't think it will be yours. : )

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #22 on: February 07, 2020, 08:47:04 PM »
    do you think is the same chart
    geng gui ren ding
    shen  si   zi  mao

    This is very different. Coz the main work process is different, this is obtaining Resource in the hour(Si<>Shen and then Geng Producing Gui).
    So more academic, much less related to wealth etc.
    Resource as wealth is not as good, of course. Also in this case this resource seems to be connected to other people as well(Shen <> Zi, so Shen moves to join Zi, meaning it isn't as much and its other peoples academic achievement, that oyu are obtaining small part of).

    I would read it as academic later part of life not very successful, but good enough thanks to other people around.

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    do you think this year since in geng zi year that help both chen and dm?
    si=bing=wu this power and money will be from wife?!
    can you see that I was born in rich family but paradoxal never have the right to do what I WANT IN LIFE AND I am poor-an paradox!

    In fire years this may be going on, as there are many images of wealth, but it rarely ends up in you(much fire, and you are part of the stronger gang, but that same gang brings images of other people around clashing the wealth, or closing Chen as its Tomb etc.)

    So this may continue until later part of life when Chen starts to play a role if the hour is Chen hour.

    Wife will always have same Images as Wealth, so there are other ways to figure out if she will be wealthy. In this case, not much in my view, as the Fire isn't that strong in the chart.

    I can advice to try to evaluate your relations with wealth and how you think about it.
     With Chen hour it does show wealthy later part of life, but a lot of wealth all around and other people obtaining it instead every time, usually suggest that relations to wealth isn't very clear. Either valued too much(we don't take it with us, after we are done here, so valuing wealth too much can be distracting for what we are here to learn/accomplish. Or not valuing it enough, that is problem of people looking for esoterically knowledge and stuff, more often then not, as it does have its place.
    First thing in this case I guess. : )

    And of course, as we have said so many times - the cures are in Feng Shui, while bazi and Yi Jing is the diagnose. So can improve in any 10 year or other period with changes related to the environment you are in(house etc.)

    As far as the strong fire goes... There will be a lot of wealth around I would guess, but I don't think it will be yours. : )

    so the concluzion is that I WILL NEVER BE RICH!
    WHY MY FIRE IN MY CHART IS WEAK IF BING IS ROOTED IN SI AND DING BIRTH BY MAO?

    Fire- lp s will make me super rich or will make me to loose everything?!
    Than in 1-31 lp s i live in povery 2014 make my first money but 2015 start to make big money....
    Than my chart it suit s to do bussines from small level to big?
    than wood is alos my academic achievemntS

    look at this chart
    gui xin ding
    you hai si
    he was a bank robber ,rob 90 milon of $,he would be academix xin and you-but in fact a fear ufc and mma fighter?!
    than another simply question my wife will be rich or poor-told me no?!
    than another question what jkob it is suit s me according to MY CHART!

    THANK YOU ,AGAIN

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #23 on: February 07, 2020, 08:52:35 PM »
    THIS WAS THE DAY WHEN I LOOSE A SECOND SOURCE OF MONEY
    BECAUSE I AM IN CLASH WITH AN RICH FATHER

    BING BING JIA JI
    SHEN  XU  XU HAI

    I was so frustrated that I loose 11 year s just to make my father happy-an stupidity that I have never right to do in my life

    this is the day when i receie strong suport from him
    ding bing geng yin
    you  yin  chen wei
    both are bing day in one gain,in another loose everything?how can you,sir explain this?

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #24 on: February 07, 2020, 09:16:26 PM »
    Well, fire is rooted in Day Branch, sure. Problem is that this only makes it "false god". One of the reasons I mention that rethinking our relation with wealth/way of thinking about it can be beneficial. As "false god: suggest something seems very important and tempting, yet its just not for us, its not in our real values. And problem isn't in the wealth itself, in other circumstances it can be real god for someone else.

    If it was in the month branch then it would be real god and all would be good / clear. Instead real god is the people around, making problems in obtaining that wealth. One reason clearing out our relation with people around can help in situations like this.

    About the reading itself - as I can only repeat what I mentioned already. In the way I would read it(and that isn't 100% of course, I'm happy with how it goes, but even on correct reading you still have free will to change stuff).

    Wealth 55+ by managing big structure. Wife will be connected to it as well. She won't be very wealthy(fire isn't strong, its a lot, but that isn't enough, either it needs strong Wood source, or it needs to take the Month Branch/Season). All that if hour is correct.
    Why Mao isn't strong wood source... Zi <> Mao harm is pushing it away, suggesting that the Ding(your father) in the year does have source and is strong, but that isn't related to you, its pushed away by people around you, part of oyur grouping in the chart.

    For Shen hour - academic future, helping people that will have a lot of achievements there, but won't be recognized much by itself. That is 55+ as well.

    So what happens on 16 October last year, as the date seems to point to.

    Fire shows the father as well. Indirect one, so Ding in this case in the year.
    he is potentially clashing you(Fire clashing Water).

    Hai comes. It clashes with your Day Branch, activating the clash with the father already there initially.
    Chen opens Xu in the clash. They become Storage of Water and Fire. That clash is filled by both Storages now to endless amounts.

    At the Xu day that is enforced one more time, now we also have Bing clashing Ren, showing problems with Wealth and people around you/siblings, but also same elements so making it one more level of   all that.

    And there is wood in usable form for the Fire grouping in the year(not the other fire that is in connection to you) that is very strong, as the outside Hai is empowering Mao.

    Lets leave it like this. But lets summarize:

    In my way of reading it. : )
    With this hour, Wealth at 55+(or earlier in water years), if the hour is correct. Wife will be related to the structure that will be managed then(hospital maybe?something big).

    Fire years may not be perfect, too many controversial stuff there.

    What can work on to ease all that and improve it.
    Relations with people, people are the "real god" for the chart, that is important to be healthy and thriving(and it is in the chart, so should be possible to do).

    Try to see wealth as something that isn't as important for the chart/life as it may seem. Its "false god" - something that seems vital, but its actually more of a hindrance. Its good to have some, but focusing too much on it, may miss the important part(people).

    Feng Shui can be very helpful. Improvements on home and stuff. Also spiritual stuff, Art has topics about what helps with karma, stuff like feeding animals etc. That does work, of course.

    And that should summirize it nicely. After that will just be repeating what we already looked at. Good luck, I do think with this hour there is good future from material perspective ahead. Even if there isn't wealth isn't everything, even more so with this chart, where people and relation with them should be the important factor. :  )

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    « Reply #25 on: February 07, 2020, 10:39:09 PM »
    Well, fire is rooted in Day Branch, sure. Problem is that this only makes it "false god". One of the reasons I mention that rethinking our relation with wealth/way of thinking about it can be beneficial. As "false god: suggest something seems very important and tempting, yet its just not for us, its not in our real values. And problem isn't in the wealth itself, in other circumstances it can be real god for someone else.

    If it was in the month branch then it would be real god and all would be good / clear. Instead real god is the people around, making problems in obtaining that wealth. One reason clearing out our relation with people around can help in situations like this.

    About the reading itself - as I can only repeat what I mentioned already. In the way I would read it(and that isn't 100% of course, I'm happy with how it goes, but even on correct reading you still have free will to change stuff).

    Wealth 55+ by managing big structure. Wife will be connected to it as well. She won't be very wealthy(fire isn't strong, its a lot, but that isn't enough, either it needs strong Wood source, or it needs to take the Month Branch/Season). All that if hour is correct.
    Why Mao isn't strong wood source... Zi <> Mao harm is pushing it away, suggesting that the Ding(your father) in the year does have source and is strong, but that isn't related to you, its pushed away by people around you, part of oyur grouping in the chart.

    For Shen hour - academic future, helping people that will have a lot of achievements there, but won't be recognized much by itself. That is 55+ as well.

    So what happens on 16 October last year, as the date seems to point to.

    Fire shows the father as well. Indirect one, so Ding in this case in the year.
    he is potentially clashing you(Fire clashing Water).

    Hai comes. It clashes with your Day Branch, activating the clash with the father already there initially.
    Chen opens Xu in the clash. They become Storage of Water and Fire. That clash is filled by both Storages now to endless amounts.

    At the Xu day that is enforced one more time, now we also have Bing clashing Ren, showing problems with Wealth and people around you/siblings, but also same elements so making it one more level of   all that.

    And there is wood in usable form for the Fire grouping in the year(not the other fire that is in connection to you) that is very strong, as the outside Hai is empowering Mao.

    Lets leave it like this. But lets summarize:

    In my way of reading it. : )
    With this hour, Wealth at 55+(or earlier in water years), if the hour is correct. Wife will be related to the structure that will be managed then(hospital maybe?something big).

    Fire years may not be perfect, too many controversial stuff there.

    What can work on to ease all that and improve it.
    Relations with people, people are the "real god" for the chart, that is important to be healthy and thriving(and it is in the chart, so should be possible to do).

    Try to see wealth as something that isn't as important for the chart/life as it may seem. Its "false god" - something that seems vital, but its actually more of a hindrance. Its good to have some, but focusing too much on it, may miss the important part(people).

    Feng Shui can be very helpful. Improvements on home and stuff. Also spiritual stuff, Art has topics about what helps with karma, stuff like feeding animals etc. That does work, of course.

    And that should summirize it nicely. After that will just be repeating what we already looked at. Good luck, I do think with this hour there is good future from material perspective ahead. Even if there isn't wealth isn't everything, even more so with this chart, where people and relation with them should be the important factor. :  )

    Point 16 oct as water is bad element for me?
    Fire wood earth are good for me?like wei wu si mao -xu again make my father rich at 1 digit

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #26 on: February 16, 2020, 01:26:58 AM »
    I feel like 18 age!thank you very much master @Gmuli @Han

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  • Re: shen zi chen-arrive
    « Reply #27 on: March 20, 2020, 02:34:01 AM »
    I'd like to inject something into this topic to compliment what Gmuli said, since I've already looked at your chart. :D Good thing I've checked this thread out afterwards, a lot of interesting insight, thank you Gmuli!

    When thinking about wealth people usually think about money.
    I prefer term capital, as it is money (or other things) that is actually usable to achieve something.
    As there are 5 elements, and we're in the CM metaphorical space, we can think up at least 5 different forms of capital, right?

    One is money (wealth element), one is knowledge (resource element), one is people (same element), one is ideas made manifest into something (output element), and one is respect, connections, structures (officer element).

    That is actually in the spirit of the bazi, find what form of capital can bring you prosperity, and follow that.

    With too much water you tend to overthink things (as evidenced by this thread).
    So for best results do go towards positions of authority, that is also connected relations between people.

    I like to check qimen chart to supplement bazi, and the period that you entered both supports your career palace, and also is relationships palace with fire in it, so you'll have a lot of chances to meet a gf in this 15 years till 45.

    Li palace controls Dui palace, with a good structure and rest door, so I'd look into managing some sort of restorative medicine, spa, and/or maybe place where people go for holidays (with a bit of medical flavor on top of it).

    Apply what you've already spent time on (11 years, right?) that is between those two palaces in your career palace, and you'll be alright. :D

    Good luck!

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