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  • The correct approach towards bazi analysis
    « on: July 20, 2020, 09:39:56 AM »
    推算八字的正確方法
    The correct approach towards bazi analysis


    當大家學習了八字一段時間,都會發現計算八字的方法不止一個。舉例來說,選用神的方法就有扶抑法、通關法、調候法、格局法等。我還沒把明朝一些詩詞歌賦式的方法算進來,例如《鬼谷子兩頭鉗》那些。有沒有想過,為甚麼用八字推算命運,會有不同方法的呢?哪個方法才是正確的呢?

    One will find out, after learning bazi for a while, that there are more than one way to assess a set of bazi. For example, methods of assessing the Useful Gods 用神 in a set of bazi include the Elemental Useful God approach 扶抑法, Regulating Useful God approach 通關法, Arbitrating Useful God approach 調候法 and structural useful god approach 格局法, etc. I have not even included the methodology which involves extracts from poetry from the Ming Dynasty such as 《鬼谷子兩頭鉗》”Two Headed Clamps in the Ghost Valley”. Have you ever wondered why there are so many different approaches to assess a set of bazi? Which method is correct?

    解答這個問題之前,不妨想想,八字法(或稱子平法),與紫微斗數有甚麼根本的不同?

    Before answering this question, you might also want to think about the fundamental differences between the Bazi Method (otherwise known as the Ziping Method) and Ziwei Doushu.

    八字是哪八個字呢?年柱天干與地支,這裏是兩個字,然後月柱干支也有兩個字,日柱干支、時柱干支,又各有兩個字,合起來也就是八字了。可是有沒有想過,這個以干支紀錄的年月日時,本來並不是用來算命的呢?

    Bazi 八字 literally translates into eight characters.  Which eight characters are these eight characters? There are four pillars / columns of two characters, each for the Year pillar, the Month pillar, the Day pillar and the Hour pillar, summing to eight characters. But have you ever thought that the characters recorded by these Year, Month, Day and Hour pillars were not originally used for fortune-telling?

    沒錯,八字是時間紀錄單位,它在「八字法」出現之前就已經存在。無論你用不用它來算命,它都是那個模樣。它是一個 Raw Data!

    That's right, these sets of eight characters are but just a record of time data, and existed before "bazi" came into existence. Whether these sets of eight characters are used for fortune-telling or not, they are but a series of raw time data!

    反觀紫微斗數就不同了,它整個盤式就是設計出來作算命用的,也就是說,紫微斗數的作者,當初設計這個盤式的時候,必然一併把盤式的分析方法也同時設計出來,對嗎。否則天下間無人懂看這個盤,設計來做甚麼呢?所以,紫微斗數的分析方法,是不應該有分歧的!如果有分歧,那麼就必然只有一個是對的,其它的就是錯的。除非當初設計者,同時替盤式設計了兩種分析方法給後人應用,對嗎?

    Ziwei Doushu on the other hand, is different and is designed for fortune telling. That is to say, the creator of the Ziwei Doushu methodology, in creating the methodology, must have also come up with a set of approach for the methodology, otherwise no one would know how to go about using the methodology. That said, because there must be a set of approaches introduced, there shouldn’t be more than one way to go about in Ziwei Doushu analysis unless we are saying that the creator when coming up with the methodology had in fact, come up with more than one approach for the analysis.

    OK! 回說八字這個 Raw Data,它本身是沒有吉凶象徵意義的,是後人為了算命,於是替這八個字添上不同的意義,作為分析人生的方法。意義既然是後人加上去的,那麼自然是你有你賦與它的意義,我有我賦與它的意義。於是推算八字有很多套不同的分析方法,自然是一點都不奇怪了。倒是只有一套分析方法才怪呢。

    OK! Coming back to the raw data as a set of eight characters, the characters by themselves didn’t have any indications of being lucky or unlucky - they are but just a set of numbers, but for the purpose of fortune telling, were subsequently ascribed different meanings by people for the purpose of fortune telling. Since the different people looking at a set of bazi could ascribe different meanings / draw different conclusions, it is not hard to see why there is more than one approach towards the analysis of a set of bazi.

    那麼,到底哪一套分析方法,才是正確的呢?答案是,只有從算命經驗裏萃取出應驗高的方法,就是正確的方法。你不會找到一本權威的八字書,告訴你哪個方法是最正確的,哪個是不正確的。若你以一個尋找天下奇書秘本的心態來學習八字,務求找到一本絕對正確的八字天書,然後就能飛快地把「八字法」學好,那麼你只會長時間浪費精力,投放在不設實際的尋覓中,最後甚麼都學不到。

    So, which approach is then the correct or the best approach? Only if the analysis has been rigorously tested with the results found to be highly accurate then can we say that such an approach is correct. You will not find an authoritative bazi book telling you which approach or method is the most correct or incorrect. If you are thinking of searching for that one magical bazi book that contains everything you need to know about bazi which you then intend to rapidly ingest the contents and master bazi analysis then you would be wasting your time and energy in your search of that book yet learning nothing in the end.

    (Thanks for JT's translation.)
    -- Yan Chan.

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  • Re: The correct approach towards bazi analysis
    « Reply #1 on: July 20, 2020, 10:38:12 AM »
    Sorry, but i do not agree with the interpretations of this post. First off the person who wrote this post have very little knowledge of bazi.

    First off 通關法、調候法、格局法 is a way of interpreting the strength of the DM this is just the very first step in interpreting a bazi.
    Certainly not the end all. After we analyze a bazi we first figure out which one of these methods best fit the interpretation. In fact all of these methods can be used just not on all bazi.
    It is up to the reader to discern which method to use to interpret the strength and structure of the bazi.
    After determining strength and structure there is still many factors to consider.
    Structures have high, low, medium. Zodiac have their interactions. Elements have their 10 stages of life.

    Again whenever i see a post that tries to compare Bazi with ZWDS i always LOL. How do you argue a opinion?

    Anyways just my 2cents.
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  • Re: The correct approach towards bazi analysis
    « Reply #2 on: July 20, 2020, 01:32:39 PM »
    @divinerchan
    Its always refreshing to read different people's point of views.  Thank you for your effort and please continue your translation in other CM topics.
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    Re: The correct approach towards bazi analysis
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