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  • Can ZWDS replace QMDJ? Is QMDJ derived from ZWDS?
    « on: April 22, 2015, 03:41:57 PM »
    This topic is mainly for research and experimental purpose. Nothing is confirmed yet. Normally I’m not very interested in research topics but after the recent parallels of Indonesia’s ZWDS chart and Dr Ong’s words that “stars of Qi Men Dun Jia, Da Liu Ren and Tai Yi Shen Shu were derived from the 100+ stars of Zi Wei Dou Shu”, I’ve decided to compare QMDJ charts with ZWDS charts of certain dates & times. And I found that they draw some parallels too!

    So I picked one of the charts to show you all.

    For Qi Men comparison purpose, the main directions E-S-W-N, they are clearly represented by Mao, Wu, You and Zi (the four flowers of romance). But for the sub-directions, NW-SW-SE-NE, they seems to be more represented by the 4 corners of Zi Wei Dou Shu (Yin, Si, Shen and Hai – the four horselands).



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  • Re: Can ZWDS replace QMDJ? Is QMDJ derived from ZWDS?
    « Reply #1 on: April 26, 2015, 05:32:00 PM »


    A member had lost a camera, QMDJ chart says it is unlikely to be found. Daymaster Gui is at the North sector which have the inauspicious Death Door and Tian Rui.

    ZWDS chart of that day & time have the dark Sun at North sector which is inauspicious. Sun is synonymous with lighting and light, which draws parallel with what a camera needs to function – light.

    Daymaster in Bazi represent the person himself. In ZWDS, Life palace represents the person and we see a dark Big Door + Ram + Left Hand with self-persecuting palace. Overall, a very weak chart.

    The conclusion for ZWDS for that date & time seems to be: If it is a weak/bad chart, the outcome is likely to be unfavourable.
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    Re: Can ZWDS replace QMDJ? Is QMDJ derived from ZWDS?
    « Reply #2 on: April 29, 2015, 12:36:29 PM »
    Do you means QMDJ Hour Chart with ZWDS chart? Possibilities will have similar star or meaning...

    ZWDS have day, month and year chart?

    Newbie to QMDJ and ZWDS




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  • Re: Can ZWDS replace QMDJ? Is QMDJ derived from ZWDS?
    « Reply #3 on: April 29, 2015, 09:06:34 PM »
    Hi dyth, just the chart for that particular date & time. Just trying out a new way of looking at CM. I don't think anyone has done it before.

    Yes ZWDS has basic template charts;- 12 emperor charts, 10 year stem charts, 12 year branch charts, 12 month charts and 12 hour charts.
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    Re: Can ZWDS replace QMDJ? Is QMDJ derived from ZWDS?
    « Reply #4 on: April 29, 2015, 09:35:49 PM »
    There might be some parallel between both method but I think both methods are created for different purpose.
    1. ZWDS for life reading.
    2. QMDJ for date and direction selection, divination, fengshui, life reading, etc.

    Maybe, if we want to compare both method, we should compare between ZWDS life reading and QMDJ life reading.

    Just my thoughts.

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  • Re: Can ZWDS replace QMDJ? Is QMDJ derived from ZWDS?
    « Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 03:05:06 PM »
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    I emailed Dr Ong some time ago, he said QMDJ's history stated in Wikipedia is most likely wrong. The astrology Zhu Ge Liang used is not modern QMDJ. Claims that QMDJ were used during Yellow Emperor's period do not tally with historical evidence. He also said QMDJ were invented during Song dynasty by Zi Ping, and the reason? The Bazi used in QMDJ were only invented during Song dynasty, so how can QMDJ exists before Song Dynasty? He said this is the most clear evidence.

    Between Wiki and Dr Ong who is a Phd-holder and researcher, I would choose to believe Dr Ong of course! I know some members are against Dr Ong's research but I urge everyone to be respectful as all practitioners are entitled to their observations.

    Dr Ong's actual reply:

    "The current QMDJ was invented during the Sung dynasty.  Although phrases like Dun Jia existed long ago in the BC, these terms were associated with magical techniques of arts very different from current QMDJ.  Prof Ho had researched that these ancient Dun Jia terms have nothing to do with the current conventional QMDJ.  ZWDS was introduced by Christian Nestorian priests into Tang China and was an adaptation of Hebrew Kabbalic Zodiac astrology.  As taught in my classes, it can be shown that the 3 dozen stars of current QMDJ were derived from a section of the 108 stars of ZWDS.

    It was said that Zhuge Liang circa AD 250 used QMDJ during the Red Cliff Battle.  However, it is doubtful if that astrology Zhuge Liang used was the QMDJ of today.  For, actually the conventional QMDJ chart for the Red Cliff  had Zhuge Liang with the adverse Si Men star while Cao Cao had the highly beneficial Sheng star - Zhuge Liang should have lost!  As I showed in my classes, Zhuge Liang actually used some ill-understood Dun Jia techniques which are not found in current QMDJ.  I taught my classes what Zhuge Liang used to overcome the potential adverse QMDJ predictions.

    It has been claimed that QMDJ was used as far back as Yellow Emperor Huang Di period.  But these claims do not tally with the historical evidence.  The most clear evidence is that the Four Pillars used in QMDJ were invented only during the Sung dynasty by Zi Ping.  So, how could the current QMDJ exist before the Sung dynasty?

    The use of the Four Pillars in current Zi Wei Dou Shu is also a serious deviation.   For, like in Western and Hindu astrology, the original ZWDS Time units were made through observations of the planetary movements.  During the Sung dynasty ZWDS also suffered the use of the error filled Four Pillars system.  The original links to planetary movements were lost - hence my book trying to restore the planetary movements Time units."
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  • ZWDS divination example (Only proceed with open mind!)
    « Reply #7 on: November 01, 2019, 09:24:24 PM »
    Divination example with ZWDS: Only proceed with an open mind!

    Each ZWDS chart is an energy imprint chart of the energies prevailing at that particular year, month, day and hour. Use ZWDS for divination? I say, why not? Who knows in future, we have Ziwei Divination!

    *No time to translate, may translate later when I'm free. Those who can read chinese, read first.











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  • Re: Can ZWDS replace QMDJ? Is QMDJ derived from ZWDS?
    « Reply #8 on: November 02, 2019, 12:22:16 AM »
    While your at it could you explain how 紫薇 is Saturn?
    How does Saturn travel 90degrees in three days according to ZWDS.
    Would really like to know thanks for sharing!
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  • Re: Can ZWDS replace QMDJ? Is QMDJ derived from ZWDS?
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