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Re: My personal notes written from Qi Men Sun Tzu Art of War Seminar
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2015, 12:22:53 PM »
QMDJ is a tool for war aside from Divination, it can do destiny analysis, remote Fengshui and make plans to give yourself a better position in many endeavors.

In ancient time, it's mainly used for war and battles. Was believed to be used by war strategists like Sun Tzu (Art of War, original chinese text has many similar keywords with QMDJ, coincidence maybe?), Zhuge Liang, Liu Bowen. And even some said Mao Ze Tung (although this is rumors, but the way he instructed his guerrilla troops against the Republic then was similar to the style of QMDJ).

In today environment, people use it in Business like meetings and such on where to place your enemies in the meeting room or where to place potential customer in meeting to get better reception.

Feng shui remote viewing of properties or lands without actually been there (It's general, best use with real feng shui - can save a lot of time when identifying problematic areas or to find chi mouth, QM Fengshui can only view, still need Fengshui to make correction).

For destiny study, QMDJ gives a more spiritual view of a person which Bazi and ZWDS cannot do, but more general in other aspects combining Bazi or ZWDS will give a more complete view.

I have only scratched the surface of I Ching and Bazi divination, without a deeper understanding of the other 2 divination methods, I cannot speak or compare the former methods. I feel QM divination is very accurate and since it has many elements in the QM board, each elements paint a detail picture of the situation, people (up to gender, skin colour and age range), capital (money value), sickness and diseases (up to which body organ) etc. It's quite something when you see it in action.

Qimen divination is essentially more of a forecasting tool. Nothing is fixed in War and battle. In the qimen board, if its says you will loose, you still can use the same qimen board to devise 7 other ways to overturn and to win the battle. But a strategic mind is needed for this.

Although QMDJ is versatile, in my opinion, it made a good add-on to whatever you have.

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Re: My personal notes written from Qi Men Sun Tzu Art of War Seminar
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Re: My personal notes written from Qi Men Sun Tzu Art of War Seminar
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2015, 04:33:06 PM »
Hi,

I am reposting some archival materials from the old board, this one interesting because it showcase the various variants of Hour School Qi Men Dun Jia with contributions from other forumers. 

http://fivearts.info/fivearts/index.php?topic=324.0

Personally I am a sceptic of divination using Qi Men as a divination tool because it is too cumbersome through I often tested its theories with reality and I always benchmark it with Meihua.  The latter always does the same amount of work with less hair splitting.

I have to state it clearly that Qi Men Dun Jia as destiny study is pretty much in beta version.  For those who need an example of destiny study, you can read "The Empyrean Matrix" pg 165-179.  You have to match that level of details before Qi Men can be deemed to match Bazi and Zi Wei.  As a one off tool yes, as a rival for Bazi and Zi Wei, there are vast distances to cover.

Most of the standard ideas and techniques covered in Kee Hui's post can be traced to 3 masters (Huang Qilin, late masters Chen Peishen and Zhang Zhichun.  They published important works in Qi Men (Rotating Palaces variant) in the 2000 era and their ideas are used by many younger Qi Men masters.

I just need to repeat that what cannot be defended by any life chart, be it acquired by means from Qi Men or Liu Ren or Feng Shui, may be temporary.  The converse is true too.

Thank you.
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Re: My personal notes written from Qi Men Sun Tzu Art of War Seminar
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Re: My personal notes written from Qi Men Sun Tzu Art of War Seminar
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2015, 10:13:35 PM »
飞鸟跌穴 aka 鸟跌穴 or Flying Bird Falls Into Cave/Nest

There are many variants but we will stick to the common Bird Nest formation as put forth by Chungwei.

Heaven plate 丙 Bing meets Earth Plate Wu 戊.  The mirror of Dragon Returns.  Both plates are mutual supportive and likewise Bing 丙 fire is able to give Geng 庚 metal a good beating, hence it is a good formation.

In the example below, at that moment in time, 鸟跌穴 is in the south, click on thumbnail for better view.


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Re: My personal notes written from Qi Men Sun Tzu Art of War Seminar
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2015, 11:18:00 PM »
Brother Keong: Oh Lord Sima, Conqueror of Western Shu, He who prevails over Kong Ming's Qi Men Dun Jia ....

Sima Qi Men exponent: Cut the crap, what's your question.

BK: Suppose A sits in the south, he gains the power of Bird Returns Cave and amplified by 景 门 and faces his opponent in the north, but the north has the 休门 is no slouch as its watery feature douse the fiery nature of the south ....

Sima Qi Men: Oh, cunning rat, you want to know who will prevail within minutes and skip homework?

BK: Ha ha ...

Sima Qi Men: There are easier ways, you can get both to play a game of 'Big/Small' by drawing poker cards.

BK: So in essence, the natal luck of the person will determine the outcome.

Sima Qi Men: In theory and practice yes.  For an con man who learns Qi Men, he is still a con man, a savant who learns Qi Men is still a savant.

BK: I am talking about natal luck....you are digressing

Sima Qi Men: Oh, yes, if you delve deep enough, Qi Men may help in delicate scenarios or what the westerners perceive as luck through they love to think the best will prevail.  If the best prevails, why is it that the Sima clan founded the Jin Dynasty after decades of warfare?  Kong Ming/Jiang Wei only delayed the inevitable, with or without his version of Qi Men and we beat them all.

BK: Let's digress, Mao is rumored to be a Qi Men ...

Sima Qi Men: So the communists won because of Qi Men?  Unlikely because the writing was on the wall when Chiang was forced to declare war on the Japs, he knew whoever officially engaged the Japs will lose the civil war. 
The Chinese will rather play each another out for the bigger prize. Similarly why would Ming China lost to the 40,000 Manchurian calvary men.  Ming China could easily mustered a hundred thousand troops?

Of course you can argue Mao's parents had a better gravestone, but Mao had fewer chances to screw up military operations as compared to Chiang who took an active politicking role down to the brigade level.  Hence the Red Armies had less screw ups, note that famous Nationalist generals Bai Chongxi, Liu Zongren and Xue Yue were relegated to paper generals during the 1949 Civil War.

BK:Oh based on marketing ..

Sima Qi Men: Our Sima clan's Qi Men overcame Kong Ming's Qi Men, how dare you doubt me!

BK: Ok,ok, I believe, lets have some tea and we shall continue .....

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Moving on with more notes from a workshop - 8 Deities
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