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  • Should I still continue to practice Fengshui or to ignore it?

    Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595028/Feng-Shui-master-buried-alive-landslide-Hong-Kong-cemetery-seconds-showing-family-perfect-burial-plot-relatives-grave.html

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Famous-Feng-Shui-Master-Dies-in-Landslide-at-Cemetery-435469.shtml


    *It is incidents like these (with my colleague's incident) that made me lose faith in Fengshui (ie; Earth Luck). Seems like Heaven Luck is indeed much more important and influential - 一命,二运,三风水. I better stick to ZWDS, Bazi, 27-Constellation...
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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 02:46:31 PM »
    Agree , i do read some article from fellow indonesian buddhist fortune teller ( forget the link tough) that when our luck change turn to be good, our fengshui/earth luck also follow in turn
    Good and bad are concepts that humans decide, and these do not apply to non-human. This kind of thinking occurs when, for example, she decides not to intervene to prevent someone from their mistakes or endangerment, .since "everything is a matter of fate"

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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 02:58:26 PM »
    @mellybau That is interesting to know. What method is the fortune-teller using?

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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #3 on: October 02, 2015, 03:30:48 PM »
    @mellybau That is interesting to know. What method is the fortune-teller using?

    I don't know . just browse and see his article of the web. That's from 1 years ago , even i already forget the website

    But the story in short like this :

    He recommended his friend to change some of the office structure to boost his friend luck( using feng shui) . But his friend doesn't want that cause he is too busy. Fast forward when his friend luck change to better ( a lot) , indirectly his friend also changing the office structure due to work circumstance. The structure was the same like the one advised

    He also share some article that heaven luck will prevail and also control our earth luck
    Good and bad are concepts that humans decide, and these do not apply to non-human. This kind of thinking occurs when, for example, she decides not to intervene to prevent someone from their mistakes or endangerment, .since "everything is a matter of fate"

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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 03:37:35 PM »
    @mellybau So it's something like our Fengshui will fix itself as our Heaven Luck changes. Interesting concept I've not heard before.

    Thanks for sharing.
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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #5 on: October 02, 2015, 04:36:42 PM »
    @mellybau So it's something like our Fengshui will fix itself as our Heaven Luck changes. Interesting concept I've not heard before.

    Thanks for sharing.

    That the case from the article, and if i'm not wrong i remember some of the member here also mention the same idea
    Good and bad are concepts that humans decide, and these do not apply to non-human. This kind of thinking occurs when, for example, she decides not to intervene to prevent someone from their mistakes or endangerment, .since "everything is a matter of fate"

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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 04:44:33 PM »
    In the western world we do have a story for teacher that died while walking to get to the seminar about immortality that he was teaching.

    Ironic thing really...

    However Shen's story about his discovery of Flying Star stars in a very similar way.
    There are some stuff that is different, it takes 1 week till the person died and it does happen after the burial, but overall it's similar enough to be worth posting.

    Also we have writed about Shen's Flying Star in the forum, it's nice to have the story too I guess.

    It's from here:
    http://bazifenshui.blogspot.bg/2010/10/flying-star-shen-zhu-reng.html
    (there is more to the story in some places, but this is more then enough to see the similarities in the begining)

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    History of Flying Star

    In the 19 century, there is a San He(三合)Feng Shui Master, And his name was Shen Zhu Reng.

    In winter of 1871, when Shen was 23, he found a grave site with Ren sitting (坐壬) and Bing facing(向丙), and completely beautiful forms around it.

    This was an uncommonly good site. He gathered the famous San He masters from Hang Zhou (Xi Hu西湖), but except those from Jiang Dahong's school (Xuan Kong Da Gua). Eighty masters inspected the site, and all said that it was an auspicious place.

    An official heard about the site and bought it, for a very high price. Shen was very disappointed for a long time that he didn't get the site. The official buried his parents there. When they dug the grave and opened the earth, the pattern in the soil looked like the Tai Ji diagram (the yin-yang symbol), making Shen even more depressed for missing the opportunity.

    The Chinese believe that an auspicious grave site brings good fortune for three generations. However, after burying his father, the official lost his job, and died on the return trip. The family also fell to poverty. All the masters of Hang Zhou were gathered to reinspect the site. They still said it was an auspicious place. They could not explain the disasters.

    Some time after this, Master Shen took a trip with his brother-in-law, Hu Bo'an. He saw that Hu had a book in his suitcase by Jiang Yao (a disciple of Jiang Dahong - these two Jiangs are not related, and they have different characters for their name). The book said that structures built during Period 1, with ren sitting and bing facing, or bing sitting and ren facing are fuyin. Fuyin means that the 5-yellow evil star is in the central palace, and that it flys in an ascending pattern. This is always inauspicious and would explain the grave's disasters, as the burial was during Period 1. However, the book did not explain the details of the theory.

    Shen bought some wine, and invited more than 30 masters to discuss these findings. None of them could explain this theory.

    In the past, Shen had looked over xuankong theory, although not carefully. But now he studied Jiang Dahong's books. However, he still could not understand the theory. As was the style among fengshui masters, Jiang wrote in a way that the meaning was not clear unless a master added some oral instruction or explanation.

    In 1873, when Shen was 25, he went with Hu Bo'an to visit Zhang Zhongshan's descendants. Zhang was a famous fengshui master from earlier in the 19th century, already deceased. Shen and Hu stayed for several months, but the descendants would not leak even one character of information to Shen. They offered a lot of money to borrow the book that Zhang had written, -Zhai Duan (House Judgement)-. also known as -Yinyang Erzhai Luyan (Yin Yang Two House Record of Effective Results)-. This book was said to reveal the secrets of the Seventh Star Robbery method.

    Shen and Hu were allowed to have the book for twenty-four hours. They copied the whole book and returned it. Shen spent a year giving the book painstaking consideration, but still did not understand.

    On day, while studying the Yijing, Shen began to play with the Luoshu diagram. He suddenly realized that 5 did not have to be in the central palace, the other numbers could also fly there as well. Shen had found the key to unlock xuankong fengshui. He was able to put together what he had read in Jiang Dahong's books, along with everything else.

    Shen took out his brush and wrote -Di Li Bian Zheng Jue Yao (Fengshui Discriminate the Correct Selection Essence)-(《地理辨正》蔣大鴻原著) , -Ling Zheng Jing Yi Jian (Mysterious City Essence of Righteousness Notes)-, and -Di Li Zhu Shu Wei Zheng Kao (Fengshui Various Books Investigation of the False and the Correct)-.

    Shen had come to the conclusion that San He practitioners did not understand that the center of the Magic Square could change with the time period, etc., and could only conceive of having 5 in the center. This, he felt, was their big mistake.


    I do agree that mistakes can lead to results really fast sometimes. Also that knowing just San He sometimes may be bad idea.

    About the question in the start:
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    Should I still continue to practice Fengshui or to ignore it?
    If it's a rhetoric question then it seems like attacking the system and I doubt that is what's happening(considering what you were saying about tolerance in the systems in other places in the forum).

    So I take it it's a real question. I don't really know how to answer that though, it's up to you. : )
    However I can try!If the system works so bad for you that 1 article in news about some master using unknown methods can lead you to doubt it, then no point in practicing it in my opinion. If it doesn't show it's working everytime you are using it then something is wrong, either in the practice or the theory or both.

    That may mean the system doesn't work for everyone(though that's a bit of a leap), or the schools you are practicing have problems, either way no point in practicing if it doesn't work for you.
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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 05:02:06 PM »
    My definition for now is heaven luck is the upper one and controlling/ limit human and earth luck


    Heaven Luck                                           ^

    Human luck - earth luck                     <      >
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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #8 on: October 02, 2015, 05:10:13 PM »
    @Owlbear That story is really an irony!

    Not trying to "attack" fengshui here, why did you use that word? I still believe in fengshui, just abit maybe 20%. My other 80% belief is in Heaven Luck. I'm asking as a personal question; about me. If others feel fengshui is working much more for them, please feel free to practice it too.

    That's the trend I noticed in this forum and in a recent HLLS book, using statistical approach to CM. It's all about the number of case studies to prove a point as 1 case study may not be enough to prove for some people. So the more case studies, the merrier.

    That HLLS book also has many case studies to prove each point brought up by the author. He even compiled the statistics in summary tables. So, the book is full of statistics, numbers and summary tables of statistics. I rather the author include the interpretations of the hexagrams in HLLS context rather than to include so much statistics and numbers.

    Some people may want to use scientific approach (eg; Dr. Ong), some may want to use statistic/mathematic approach to CM... it's individual preference. But for me, it comes off as "trying too hard" to convince/win fans when you overdo it. After buying that HLLS book, I actually feel like throwing it away! I really regretted not reading through the book before buying as the shop doesn't allow browsing.

    Look at ancient text, they may have a few case studies to illustrate a few points but not a complication of statistics.

    As mentioned before, I do not practice Fengshui to a very high/sophisticated level. Just very basic fengshui.


    edit: I've state, I do believe slightly in Fengshui, just abit. Of course, I won't do drastic things like putting a cannon in my house - just basic fengshui.
    « Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 05:21:15 PM by ArtofFugue »
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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #9 on: October 02, 2015, 10:33:29 PM »
    Same story about the mudslide accident, with a date selection perspective by Ken Lai
    http://www.kenlaifengshui.com, APRIL 1, 2014



    A Hong Kong celebrity Feng Shui Master Zheng went to China for a Yin Feng Shui reburial job in March 30 (Geng-zi day) 2014,  A rare "black rain" thunderstorm came causing mudslide in the cemetery and buried him and 6 others alive.

    The incident happened when they lowered the coffin to the grave. Due to custom, women were requested to stay away and thus no female died.

    Geng-zi day is a year-breaker day. (zi clashes wu-year). In addition, the date  fan-yin (clashing) Grand Duke Jia Wu from head to toe.  The wrath of Grand Duke is horrific-- 6 deaths and one injured.

    Check out this video even though it is in Cantonese dialect: http://hk.dv.nextmedia.com/actionnews/local/20140402/18676286/20039191

    You may ask:  a famous Feng Shui master should have known a breaker date is not a good day to do important tasks, especially a reburial.

    However, there are date-selection systems that do not care about traditional inauspicious or taboo dates like year breaker, San Sha and etc.,  like QMDJ and Gui-Gu-Zi methods.  Master Zheng might be using something like that because it is inconceivable to do a reburial without doing a date-selection to avoid clashing the deceased and the living.

    This is why I always remind my students to stay away from traditional inauspicious dates even the date-selection  system that they employ does not care about these taboos.  Besides,  some clients may have general knowledge of these taboo dates and question them if they use those dates. 

    In 2007, the 35W Bridge in Minnesota also had collapsed in a breaker day.

    Do not do anything important or potentially changing destiny of someone during an inauspicious date.

    RIP Master Zheng

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  • Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #10 on: October 02, 2015, 10:52:38 PM »
    @Jlim Thanks for posting. That is also why I didn't learn XKDG, QMDJ, Ghost Valley Date Selection methods and just simply stuck to DGDS (the traditional system).

    I actually wanted to learn XKDG Date Selection in the past but after reading this story, I totally lost the enthusiasm. Some might need a number of case studies to trigger, for me I only need 1 case to trigger. Maybe I'm case-sensitive?
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    Re: Famous fengshui Master Zheng Guoqiang dies in a mudslide at cemetery
    « Reply #11 on: October 03, 2015, 04:17:22 AM »
    Just shows that we are all here for limited time.  Can learn fengshui, bazi, zwds and think ha I know my destiny now.  Can avoid big disaster and make big fortune because I know how to maximize my bazi. Truth is no one not even the grand masters know everything. We still grow old, get sick, face tragedy, get run over by bus, lose job, ..... Its life.  Learning fortune telling is fun, but no one can reveal the destiny code and know the heaven secrets.  Next, joey yap will be on news...ha just joking...

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    « Reply #12 on: October 03, 2015, 05:51:30 AM »
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    « Reply #14 on: October 03, 2015, 11:59:57 AM »
    @DeNovo True. Upstair is still the greatest influence. Even grandmasters and masters are no match for upstair.

    @bokeksiansu True, that's why I don't read ancient text (for ZWDS) which is like Microsoft Word version 1.0, it's the first version with flaws and limitations. It needs improvements. I read modern text and modern-created teachings.
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